Sorry this is so late. I am on digest mode.
Anyway, the place to go for networking questions - mostly Mac - but also
connecting an odd PC to your network is to go to:
This site contains pretty extensive information on networking for the
newbie. And, the whole site is downloadable as a disk image for offline
referral Pretty cool.
--
Nick Scalise
nicks@radiks.net
> Hello! I am struggling to make my little network of Macs and 1 win98
> laptop to work.
>
[snip]
Subject: Couple of NT things...
From: Romeyn Prescott <prescor@potsdam.edu>
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:40:53 -0500
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I'm having a couple of NT-related problems and am hoping someone here can help.
1) (NT Server 4.0)
We have an NT 4.0 Server set up to handle most of our PC-based (and some
Mac) printing, most notably in our busiest lab in our main library. At
that location we have two HP LJ 4000TNs which the NT server captures and
pools and presents to the network as a single printer. Unfortunately, NT
does not appear to do load balancing on pooled printers. The result is
that we now have one printer with over 200,000 copies on it and the other
with just under 20,000 copies on it. Recent attempts to "flop" the
printers so that the other one is the "primary" printer have been
unsuccessful. One of our staff theorized that priority was based on the
order in which the ports were created. So we deleted the "first" port and
re-created it (so now it's the "second" port. That didn't work. Then I
theorized that NT based priority on the alphabetical name of the port (the
ports are named "Levitt LaserWriter 1" and "Levitt LaserWriter 2" (they
USED to be Apples...the names stuck.)) so we changed the name of the ports
so that 2 came first alphabetically. Still no luck. Help? Am I missing
something? How does NT handle this?
2) (Really lame, low priority)
My Themes don't work. :-( Also NT 4.0. Anytime I try to change my Theme,
even to one of the built-in ones, Dr. Watson kicks in and announces an
error in Themes.exe (Exception: Access Violation...hex garbage). Any ideas?
TIA,
...ROMeyn
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Subject: Re: [WinMac] Can't create accounts to logon to NT server
From: Romeyn Prescott <prescor@potsdam.edu>
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:40:56 -0500
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>I have a slight problem. I need to create accounts on a high school NT 4.0
>SP 4 server that teachers can logon to. Unfortunately, whenever I create an
>account and try and logon to that account from a Win98 workstation I get a
>message that the username cannot be found. Just to be clear, I am telling
>the MS client to logon on to the NT domain, and I can logon on to the NT
>server from one of the already created Admin accounts from said Win98 WS. I
>am just running into troubles making new accounts with people loggin on as
>Domain Users.
>
I think you need to make sure you are creating accounts on you Domain (do
you have a domain set up?) and not the NT Server. You can set them up FROM
the server, but the accounts have to be on the Domain.
...ROMeyn
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to the whole Kosovo thing.
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Couple of NT things...
From: "Theresa Heroff" <theresa@COMMANDEUR.COM>
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:51:52 -0500
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You may want to verify that you didn't capture the port to Apple Talk
printing device under the capture tab in the port setup. This could be part
of the problem.
Hope this helps.
Theresa
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>From: Romeyn Prescott <prescor@potsdam.edu>
>To: "The Windows-MacOS cooperation list" <winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu>
>Subject: [WinMac] Couple of NT things...
>Date: Thu, May 6, 1999, 9:40 AM
>
> 1) (NT Server 4.0)
> We have an NT 4.0 Server set up to handle most of our PC-based (and some
> Mac) printing, most notably in our busiest lab in our main library. At
> that location we have two HP LJ 4000TNs which the NT server captures and
> pools and presents to the network as a single printer. Unfortunately, NT
> does not appear to do load balancing on pooled printers. The result is
> that we now have one printer with over 200,000 copies on it and the other
> with just under 20,000 copies on it.
[snip]
Subject: Re: sharing load among NT printers
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:52:35 -0500
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Try Service Pack 5... It fixed a few bugs in printing.
<http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/downloads/recommended/sp5/allsp5.asp>
Also, under the Properties for each printer, you can adjust
the "Priority"
slider... Try bumping the Priority a few points higher for the second
printer to see what happens.
Cheers!
Dan
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Subject: Re: [WinMac] Windows equivalents of Macintouch/VersionTracker?
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:52:45 -0500
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Try these sites:
http://www.ntfaq.com
http://www.sysinternals.com
At 08:43 AM 5/6/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Can anyone recommend "decent" equivalents to the VersionTracker and /
>or Macintouch sites, but focused on Windows?
>
>Decent in this context would mean as few ads as possible, and
>preferably as unbiased as possible too :-)
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Subject: 2 irritating problems with NT shared drives on Mac
From: George Orthwein <george@refinery.com>
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:14:38 -0500
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Hi all,
There's been 2 long-standing problems we have with Mac clients
connecting to Shared Drives on NT (Services for Mac volumes):
1) While working on web sites, saving HTML files in BBedit (and other
editors) frequently gives an Error -61 file cannot be saved because
it's in use. We're pretty sure it's because the NT web server has
recently sent the page and is still 'grabbing on' to the file. This
error does not occur when we view the files from the server via
file:// in the browser, so that's what makes us pretty sure it's the
web server's fault (however we must view ASP files via http so we run
into this problem a lot). Our only workaround is to save as a new
file name and then delete the old one and rename the new one....
quite a pain.
2) Most of the shared drives windows are set to icon view and setting
them to list view is not saved when we next go to the drive. This can
be quite a pain to continually change everything to list view. We
have discovered that when the system admin logs in from our macs, his
view settings are saved. Also, if a user creates a folder then they
have control over the view settings, but no one else does.
Is this just a limitation of NT sharing? It seems ridiculous to have
to track down the creator of a folder just to save the view. These
are shared drives so if you can write to the folder you should be
able to save the view.
I have looked for answers to these but haven't found anything. I'd
like to know at least if these are problems that are bothering other
people.
Thanks a lot,
George
George Orthwein 215.364.4590
Art Director mailto:george@refinery.com
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Subject: RE: [WinMac] outlook express - mac to pc email
From: "John Santora" <bbstenor@home.com>
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:15:04 -0500
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Jerry Flatto wrote on Wednesday, May 05, 1999 11:48 AM
>
> This may sound like a stupid question, but I am good at those. :-)
>
> I am presently using Eudora 4.2 for the Mac. All my email is stored
> on my hard drive on the Mac. How do I uploa the mail messages from my
> hard drive to the web-based IMAP4 mail account?
>
Uh, oh -- I *knew* this would get technical! <g> I'm just a CPA, so don't
flame me if some of this isn't totally correct.
IMAP differs from POP3 in that all messages are stored on the server, even
after you've read them. It's ideal for people who access their e-mail from
different locations, or different machines, and want to maintain a complete
history. Or for corporate environments where automatic backups of the mail
server ensure that a complete history is maintained regardless of what an
individual user does to his computer.
I'm not familiar with Eudora, but if you can have 2 or more e-mail accounts
(i.e., different ISPs) active at once (which MS Outlook Express allows;
Netscape Messenger doesn't) then you should be able to simply drag-and-drop
messages from your hard drive's mail folders as they appear in
Eudora/Outlook onto the Inbox (or a new subfolder) of your IMAP account.
If you can't have 2 accounts active in Eudora, then you may have a problem.
Eudora may have a way to convert mail from POP to IMAP, or at the very least
to archive or export messages. If so, archive the messages you want to
upload from within your POP account, then switch to the new IMAP account and
de-archive (import, whatever) the messages. They *should* be automatically
uploaded to the server if all is set up properly.
I'll gladly defer to someone with more IMAP/Eudora experience, though...
Good luck, again!
John Santora
Toronto, Canada
Subject: Re: 2 irritating problems with NT shared drives on Mac
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 13:14:59 -0500
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At 11:14 AM 5/6/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>There's been 2 long-standing problems we have with Mac clients
>connecting to Shared Drives on NT (Services for Mac volumes):
>
>1) While working on web sites, saving HTML files in BBedit (and other
>editors) frequently gives an Error -61 file cannot be saved because
>it's in use. We're pretty sure it's because the NT web server has
>recently sent the page and is still 'grabbing on' to the file. This
>error does not occur when we view the files from the server via
>file:// in the browser, so that's what makes us pretty sure it's the
>web server's fault (however we must view ASP files via http so we run
>into this problem a lot). Our only workaround is to save as a new
>file name and then delete the old one and rename the new one....
>quite a pain.
It's called file locking... And this is platform independent.
>2) Most of the shared drives windows are set to icon view and setting
>them to list view is not saved when we next go to the drive. This can
>be quite a pain to continually change everything to list view. We
>have discovered that when the system admin logs in from our macs, his
>view settings are saved. Also, if a user creates a folder then they
>have control over the view settings, but no one else does.
>Is this just a limitation of NT sharing? It seems ridiculous to have
>to track down the creator of a folder just to save the view. These
>are shared drives so if you can write to the folder you should be
>able to save the view.
This is part of NT's NTFS security: You can change ownership
at the server.
>I have looked for answers to these but haven't found anything. I'd
>like to know at least if these are problems that are bothering other
>people.
>
>Thanks a lot,
>George
>
>George Orthwein 215.364.4590
>Art Director mailto:george@refinery.com
>Image Refinery Productions http://www.refinery.com
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Subject: Monitoring software for Mac and PC labs
From: Christian Dupuis <cdupuis@lcc.ca>
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 13:46:13 -0500
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We recently had a problem in the lab, where an unknown student printed
unauthorized documents from one of our stations. Is there any software for
Mac and PC that can monitor system use and keep a log of applications
opened and print jobs generated? I already use NAT 3.5 for the Macs (but it
doesn't have a log of operations), and the AppleShare IP 6.0 server does
keep a printer log, yet the NT side of the shop (10 workstations) has no
monitoring software.
I really need to be able to keep track of machine access and software use
for both Macs and PCs. I tried On Guard, but it slowed down the network so
much I had to remove it.
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated!
Chris
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Subject: Re: [WinMac] AppleShare IP for Windows NT
From: "Chick Foxgrover" <cfoxgrover@truenorth.com>
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:05:49 -0500
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Yes I asked about it about a month ago and there should be a few messages
in your archives about it and other links. We have been testing file
transfers on a minimal NT server (166Pentium) and I'll get a short report
in an email to the list soon if none of the other sources answer your
questions.
Actually here is my original message with the links:
I think, Dan that cyan is the developer:
http://www.cyansoft.de/
but maybe they're related to Helios.
also:
http://www.macwindows.com/macsrvip.html
here's some more reactions on this product, and the site has an annoucement
about another product coming out soon to do AFP over IP. Looks like there's
real market for this. Our organization has been seriously looking at
AppleShareIP for new studio servers with an eye towards moving to OSX
(which we in the NYC office are very sceptical of for a variety of
reasons). This development, if the products are any good should make the
debate very interesting.
Has anyone else been looking at or using any of these?
> Cyan is the USA distributor for Helios...
>
> They also sell PDQ... Are you familiar with this?
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
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At 7:19 PM -0500 5/4/99, Marc Bizer wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
> Does anyone know anything about this product?
>
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Subject: Re: Monitoring software for Mac and PC labs
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:06:00 -0500
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Turn ON file and print auditing in NT. You can also set print spooler
permissions in NT. Also, you can "capture" the AppleTalk printers in NT
spooler queues, which forces Mac users to print through the spooler,
enforcing login security.
HOWEVER, these steps will slow down the server; and for the
cheap cost it
takes to run a laser printer, don't worry: It's better to let the odd job
filter through than to negatively impact EVERYONE.
At 01:46 PM 5/6/99 -0500, you wrote:
>We recently had a problem in the lab, where an unknown student printed
>unauthorized documents from one of our stations. Is there any software for
>Mac and PC that can monitor system use and keep a log of applications
>opened and print jobs generated? I already use NAT 3.5 for the Macs (but it
>doesn't have a log of operations), and the AppleShare IP 6.0 server does
>keep a printer log, yet the NT side of the shop (10 workstations) has no
>monitoring software.
>
>I really need to be able to keep track of machine access and software use
>for both Macs and PCs. I tried On Guard, but it slowed down the network so
>much I had to remove it.
>
>Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated!
>
>Chris
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Subject: Re: AppleShare IP for Windows NT
From: Tom Roth <tomroth@wfubmc.edu>
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 15:51:24 -0500
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Marc Bizer asked:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Does anyone know anything about this product?
>
> >Josh Lampl <sunergy@electriciti.com> wrote:
> >MacServerIP is the first AppleShare type server for Windows-NT to
> >support the Apple File Protocol over TCP/IP across Macintosh and Windows
> >
> >NT platforms. MacServerIP is 2 to 4 times faster than Windows-NT
> >Services For Macintosh (SFM). MacServerIP users access the NT server
> >via the standard AppleShare IP interface.
> >
> >An Intel and Dec Alpha version are currently shipping.
> >
> >Team ASA Inc is distributing the product and can be reached at
> > http://www.teamasa.com/ . (Team ASA also distributes gigabit ethernet
> >network adapters for Macintosh and Windows NT).
I had not heard of this either and was hoping for some feedback here on
the list about it. Anyone?
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Subject: Error -37 when copying files to NT4/file number limits?
From: Owen Watson <owen@rsnz.govt.nz>
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 17:04:42 -0500
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I'm copying a lot of files from a Mac running 8.5.1 to a NT4 (sp4) server,
and generally on the same files I'm getting a -37 error on my Mac.
I've checked the MS tech support db, to no avail.
Any clues?
BTW, are there any limits to the number of files I can store on a NT4 SFM
volume? I want to put around 24,000 files on.
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Subject: Re(2): Network newbie help request
From: "Philip Neukom" <pneukom@interlog.com>
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 17:04:46 -0500
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Thanks to everyone who responded. Thanks for the info about COPSTALK and
PCMacLAN. I had hoped that Dave could handle the connection because I
have it already installed on my Powerbook. I will try and expand based
on the questions that I received in reply from from Nik and Curtis.
>From: Nik Sands <Nik.Sands@utas.edu.au>
>It would appear then, that problem is either that DAVE is not configured
>correctly on the Macs, OR, Microsoft Networking is not configured correctly
>on the Wintel.
>
>Can you give us some idea of how you have configured the networking on both
>sides?
I bet the MS side isn't configured correctly also. As I am a Mac person,
and only started down the Windows98 path a week ago, I have little idea
how to set-up the Wintel machine.
Please don't laugh too hard, I realized after a number of utterly
frustrating hours that I am pretty clueless when it comes to networking.
The Mac side really gave me a false sense of security.
Here is what I did:
Because the 4000N handles TCP/IP over ethernet and I since I have
already used Dave on my Powerbook to connect via TCP/IP to my clients NT
server, I thought that this would be the easiest connection.
I installed JetAdmin on the WinLaptop and connected the WinLaptop to my
ethernet hub (Asante FriendlyNet). I set the 4000N EIO Menu to enable
TCP/IP and ETALK. I determined that the 4000N has an IP address from
printing out the configuration data. Started JetAdmin and located the
device. The screen with printer name was greyed out since the 4000N
doesn't have a name. I followed the "Next" screen to where the device ID
was listed. I typed in the IP address and gateway from the config data
sheet. The error returned is "configuration error". I haven't a clue
what this could be and why I get an error when JetAdmin finds the
printer.(I think?)
Since this didn't work, I tried to use Dave sharing to connect the
WinLaptop to the Powerbook and then print via the Powerbook. I created a
new location in the Location Manager so that I could enable a new set of
Dave prefs. I created a new TCP/IP location in TCP/IP control panel. On
the WinLaptop, I opened the network control panel and entered an IP
address, name etc., started print and file sharing and selected the MS
Windows Client. I rebooted everything and both winlaptop and powerbook
crashed. Really ugly. I had to start the Powerbook with extentions off
and start again.
It was about this time that I decided to write to the list gurus since
it is obvious I am completely out of my league here.
Thanks again for any help.
Regards
Philip
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Re(2): Network newbie help request
From: Nik Sands <Nik.Sands@utas.edu.au>
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:34:28 -0500
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If you have the resources available to you, it might be worth trying to
network the Wintel to another Wintel first. This would take the
cross-platform issue out of the equation for the time being, and let you
know at least which end is causing the problem.
Also, see if you can connect two Macs using DAVE on both (not AppleShare).
I'm afraid I'm no Windows guru either, but I have to use one at work, and
have found that DAVE on my Mac makes it fit into the Wintel networking
world perfectly, whether one-to-one with a crossover cable, or through a
hub and over the LAN.
Good Luck!
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