[WinMac] RE: Color Printer for Mostly-Mac Network
Omar Chávez(OmarChavez[at]fliteline.usa.com)
Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:01:26 -0400
We've just bought a Tektronix 840 Designer Edition printer (to help our
aging HP Color Laser). Everyone at the office is stunned at the print
quality, speed, ease of setup/use and cost per page.
For those looking to incorporate color to your network, I highly
recommend taking a closer look at solid ink technology as opposed to
color laser. Speed, reliability and lower maintenance costs are big
pluses (as is the fact that you get free black ink for life, so you can
use the color printer not only for traditional DTP work, but also for
day-to-day office printing).
Sorry if my message seems a Tektronix add, but it's hard not to get
enthusiastic when you get a product that lives to its promises and
beyond (of course, we have no affiliation or economic interest with
Tektronix whatsoever, aside from being a satisfied customer).
Omar Chávez
Director of Technical Services
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Flite Line Equipment Corp.
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> 001 - "Robert James, Jr." <rjam - Color Laser Printer to Work with
> 7200 LAN
> 002 - "Daniel L. Schwartz" <exp - Re: Color Laser Printer to Work
> with 7200 LAN
> 003 - Bruce Johnson <johnson@ph - Re: [WinMac] Color Laser Printer
> to Work with 7200 LAN
> 004 - "Nancy Slaymaker" <nancys - unsubscribe
> 005 - Doug johnson <auberge4@ya - Print problems off Web pages
> 006 - "Robert James, Jr." <rjam - Re: [WinMac] Color Laser Printer
> to Work with 7200 LAN
> 007 - "Daniel L. Schwartz" <exp - Re: Color Laser Printer to Work
> with 7200 LAN
> 008 - Bruce Johnson <johnson@ph - Re: [WinMac] Color Laser Printer
> to Work with 7200 LAN
> 009 - "Robert F. Crean" <bobcre - Mime vs. HTML mail;Netscape vs.
> OE
> 010 - Bruce Johnson <johnson@ph - Re: [WinMac] Mime vs. HTML
> mail;Netscape vs. OE
> 011 - "Daniel L. Schwartz" <exp - Re: Color Laser Printer to Work
> with 7200 LAN
> 012 - "Daniel L. Schwartz" <exp - CLJ-5M followup
> 013 - Leonard Rosenthol <leonar - Re: [WinMac] Mime vs. HTML
> mail;Netscape vs. OE
> 014 - Michael Logue <mlogue@mad - Re: Schwartz
>
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>
> From: "Robert James, Jr." <rjames@chi1.uncfsu.edu>
> Subject: Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:58:05 EST
>
> WinMacers,
>
> The discussion about network ink printers was quite coincidental.
> I'm currently looking to purchase a color *laser* printer to run on
> my AppleTalk LAN of eight 7200/120s. I currently have a StyleWriter
> 2500 -- with a LocalTalk module -- as the network printer, and I
> would like to continue using it alongside the laser printer on the
> network. In case you're wondering, I have sent this to a
> Macintosh-only
> list, but I have yet to get a response.
>
> What brand/model(s) of printer would you suggest? Would it be best to
> look for one built for LocalTalk, or would Ethernet be better? (In
> shopping, I've found that not all of them have both). It seems to me
> LocalTalk would be better, since I'd only need another LocalTalk
> cable, whereas if I got an Ethernet printer, I would need a hub,
> correct?
>
> Oh, and price quotes for anything I need would be helpful. I'm
> working with my boss on this today, so a speedy reply would be
> appreciated.
>
> Bob
>
>
> --------<<<<<<<<@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@>>>>>>>>--------
> Robert James, Jr., Coordinator
> Fine Arts Resource Center
> Dept. of the Performing & Fine Arts
> <http://www.uncfsu.edu/w4/dpt/fah/index.htm>
> Fayetteville State University <http://www.uncfsu.edu>
> Fayetteville, NC
> Email: rjames@chi1.uncfsu.edu
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
>
>
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>
> From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
> Subject: Re: Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:53:07 -0400
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> In-Reply-To: <199910251451.HAA28467@lists1.best.com>
>
>
> H-P Color LaserJet 5M: Inexpensive to buy; and inexpensive to
> feed. The
> newer CLJ 4500's & 8500's are expensive to feed.
>
> You can pick them up reconditioned at The Printer Works for
> under $2000
> <http://www.theprinterworks.com>; and then pick up a pair of 32 MB
> P.D.
> (Presence Detect) SIMMs at The Chip Merchant: You'll need as much RAM
> as
> possible for large input queue and frame buffers.
> <http://www.thechipmerchant.com>.
>
> Cheers
> Dan
>
> [INSERT STANDARD VENDOR DISCLAIMER HERE]
>
> At 10:58 AM 10/25/99 EST, you wrote:
> >WinMacers,
> >
> >The discussion about network ink printers was quite coincidental.
> >I'm currently looking to purchase a color *laser* printer to run on
> >my AppleTalk LAN of eight 7200/120s. I currently have a StyleWriter
> >2500 -- with a LocalTalk module -- as the network printer, and I
> >would like to continue using it alongside the laser printer on the
> >network. In case you're wondering, I have sent this to a
> Macintosh-only
> >list, but I have yet to get a response.
> >
> >What brand/model(s) of printer would you suggest? Would it be best
> to
> >look for one built for LocalTalk, or would Ethernet be better? (In
> >shopping, I've found that not all of them have both). It seems to me
> >LocalTalk would be better, since I'd only need another LocalTalk
> >cable, whereas if I got an Ethernet printer, I would need a hub,
> >correct?
> >
> >Oh, and price quotes for anything I need would be helpful. I'm
> >working with my boss on this today, so a speedy reply would be
> >appreciated.
> >
> >Bob
>
>
>
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>
> From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu>
> Subject: Re: [WinMac] Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:58:36 -0700
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> References: <199910251451.HAA28467@lists1.best.com>
>
> Robert James, Jr. wrote:
> >
>
> > What brand/model(s) of printer would you suggest? Would it be best
> to
> > look for one built for LocalTalk, or would Ethernet be better? (In
> > shopping, I've found that not all of them have both). It seems to
> me
> > LocalTalk would be better, since I'd only need another LocalTalk
> > cable, whereas if I got an Ethernet printer, I would need a hub,
> > correct?
>
> As for a Laser printer brand, I think you'll need to qualify this a
> bit
> by specc'ing a price range. We have two, an aged first gen HP Color
> LaserJet and a Xerox docucolor 5700. Both work pretty well. The HP has
> the usual HP ruggedness, though it's really picky about paper. I
> suspect
> they've changed that somewhat in the three or so years since we got
> it.
>
> In _either_ case, you'll _definitely_ want to upgrade to ethernet.
> MUCH
> faster than local talk, _particularly_ when you're shovelling big
> color
> files about.
>
> Hubs are cheap, too. You can get a decent 10 port hub for less than
> $100. You'll also gain a lot in file sharing as well.
>
> --
> Bruce Johnson
> University of Arizona
> College of Pharmacy
> Information Technology Group
>
>
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>
> From: "Nancy Slaymaker" <nancyslaymaker@usamailbox.com>
> Subject: unsubscribe
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:58:24 -0400
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> Thanks for all the help.
>
> Most of the shared info is over my head so therefore I will leave you
> all
> -until either I am desperate for more tips or I reach your level.
>
> If there is a Mac group for the beginning level, let me know.
>
> In the mean time....
> best regards.
>
> Nancy
>
>
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>
> From: Doug johnson <auberge4@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Print problems off Web pages
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:15:53 -0700 (PDT)
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> We are using NT4.0 with SP3 as the print server for
> our iMacs.
>
> We can print from Word Processing documents just fine
> but web pages are another story. ie: the letter "d" &
> "u" are in bold face and twice the size of other
> characters in the same sentance.
>
> We have or installed or tried the following:
> OS 8.6 installed on all i-macs
> Font updater
> Adobe print drivers
> installed new font files
>
> Anyone?
>
> Doug Johnson
> Concordia College
> minnesota
>
>
>
> =====
>
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>
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>
> From: "Robert James, Jr." <rjames@chi1.uncfsu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [WinMac] Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:26:53 EST
> In-Reply-To: <199910251659.JAA04966@lists1.best.com>
>
> > As for a Laser printer brand, I think you'll need to qualify this a
> bit
> > by specc'ing a price range.
>
> I'm less concerned about price than I am about quality. I guess I'm
> thinking anywhere between $850-$3,000.
>
> Also, I remember Matt Harris saying that HPs and QMS printers
> recently started using Postscript emulation, as opposed to Adobe
> Postscript, which is supposedly better. Which one does Tektronix
> support? Also, Dan suggested the old 5M -- since it's older, does it
> support Adobe Postscript, or emulation?
>
> > In _either_ case, you'll _definitely_ want to upgrade to ethernet.
> MUCH
> > faster than local talk, _particularly_ when you're shovelling big
> color
> > files about.
>
> Yeah, I know Ethernet is thankfully much quicker. I was mostly
> concerned about needing the Ethernet ports on the 7200s for when we
> eventually (hopefully) connect the LAN to the campus PC network. I
> suppose there's a "through" jack on the hub that would allow for
> that? Forgive my ignorance on this subject; I've got so much to
> learn.
>
> Thanks for the help so far.
>
> Bob
>
>
> --------<<<<<<<<@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@>>>>>>>>--------
> Robert James, Jr., Coordinator
> Fine Arts Resource Center
> Dept. of the Performing & Fine Arts
> <http://www.uncfsu.edu/w4/dpt/fah/index.htm>
> Fayetteville State University <http://www.uncfsu.edu>
> Fayetteville, NC
> Email: rjames@chi1.uncfsu.edu
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
>
>
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>
> From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
> Subject: Re: Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:02:52 -0400
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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>
>
> Bob,
>
> Don't confuse the LaserJet 5M with the Color LaserJet 5M: These
> are two
> separate animals And Yes, the 5M has genuine Adobe Level 2 PostScript
> -
> Version 2013, if I remember correctly.
>
> As for ethernet, it's actually quite simple: Just plug every
> device into
> its own port on the hub, and the hub will take care of everything.
> Then,
> just plug a cable from the wall jack from the campus LAN into the
> "uplink"
> port on the hub and voěla Instant connectivity.
>
> At 04:26 PM 10/25/99 EST, you wrote:
> >> As for a Laser printer brand, I think you'll need to qualify this a
> bit
> >> by specc'ing a price range.
> >
> >I'm less concerned about price than I am about quality. I guess I'm
> >thinking anywhere between $850-$3,000.
> >
> >Also, I remember Matt Harris saying that HPs and QMS printers
> >recently started using Postscript emulation, as opposed to Adobe
> >Postscript, which is supposedly better. Which one does Tektronix
> >support? Also, Dan suggested the old 5M -- since it's older, does it
>
> >support Adobe Postscript, or emulation?
> >
> >> In _either_ case, you'll _definitely_ want to upgrade to ethernet.
> MUCH
> >> faster than local talk, _particularly_ when you're shovelling big
> color
> >> files about.
> >
> >Yeah, I know Ethernet is thankfully much quicker. I was mostly
> >concerned about needing the Ethernet ports on the 7200s for when we
> >eventually (hopefully) connect the LAN to the campus PC network. I
> >suppose there's a "through" jack on the hub that would allow for
> >that? Forgive my ignorance on this subject; I've got so much to
> >learn.
> >
> >Thanks for the help so far.
> >
> >Bob
>
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE winmac.v001.n017.8 ---------------
>
> From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu>
> Subject: Re: [WinMac] Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:28:26 -0700
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> References: <199910252019.NAA02821@lists1.best.com>
>
> Robert James, Jr. wrote:
> >
> > > As for a Laser printer brand, I think you'll need to qualify this
> a bit
> > > by specc'ing a price range.
> >
> > I'm less concerned about price than I am about quality. I guess I'm
> > thinking anywhere between $850-$3,000.
> >
> > Also, I remember Matt Harris saying that HPs and QMS printers
> > recently started using Postscript emulation, as opposed to Adobe
> > Postscript, which is supposedly better. Which one does Tektronix
> > support? Also, Dan suggested the old 5M -- since it's older, does
> it
> > support Adobe Postscript, or emulation?
>
> The 5 we have (and presumably the 5M) supports real postscript.
> Truthfully, though, we had a PS clone on a color Xerox printer for
> years, and I only saw a couple of problems with it being a emulation
> rather than the real thing. Dan tends to look at things from a
> publishing/service bureau poiunt of view on these things.
>
> The problems with the old 5 series:
>
> 300dpi, on 8 1/2 x 11 only
> very finicky about the paper it will take.
> toner consumeables aren't the only thing you'll be buying. From where
> I
> sit I see probably around $1000 of maintenance supplies:
>
> Color Developer unit
> Toner collection Kit
> Black developer unit
> Drum unit
> Fuser unit
>
> as well as the four color toner bottles.
>
> These all have to be replaced an a fairly regular basis. (fairly long
> basis, such as the Drum) but it's not as easy to maintain as a black
> and
> white printer, foex.
>
> > Yeah, I know Ethernet is thankfully much quicker. I was mostly
> > concerned about needing the Ethernet ports on the 7200s for when we
> > eventually (hopefully) connect the LAN to the campus PC network. I
> > suppose there's a "through" jack on the hub that would allow for
> > that?
>
> Depends on how you end up doing things. Here all the machines connect
> to
> the network through wall jacks back to switches and hubs in the phone
> closets. In that case, each machine (including the printer) will
> connect
> via those, and the hub will be uneccesary. If you're just getting a
> single connection to the campus backbone, then you'll want to confer
> with your campus neworking people about what equipment you'll want to
> get.
>
> It really depends on your time frame for connecting to the larger
> network, and what that network looks like.
>
> If it's like the campus network here at the UA you may or may not be
> able to connect that hub (and associated systems) to the backbone. If
> you can, all you need it the configuration parameters (IP addresses,
> DHCP stuff, whatever) then plug that into the uplink port on the hub.
>
> --
> Bruce Johnson
> University of Arizona
> College of Pharmacy
> Information Technology Group
>
>
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>
> From: "Robert F. Crean" <bobcrean@sover.net>
> Subject: Mime vs. HTML mail;Netscape vs. OE
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:19:39 -0400
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>
>
> >
> > You want to blame someone for HTML mail - blame Netscape who
> > invented the silly thing when there were too lazy to properly
> > implement MIME.
> >
> >
> This is an issue that has been driving us crazy for some time now. We
> have
> PCs running NT and Netscape, Macs running Netscape and some with OE.
> Many
> of our clients have PCs but are using either Outlook or Exchange (are
> they
> two different things?).
>
> Sometimes attachments come in and the macs running oe can read them,
> sometimes not. Sometimes its oe that can read them but not netscape.
> Sometimes the other way around.
>
> There appear to be switches in both programs for outgoing mail but I
> dont
> quite understand the whole mess.
>
> Can someone explain the difference between Mime, html, plain text,
> and, with
> attachments what does encoding (base 64 etc) have to do with the above
> or
> vice versa.
>
> thanks
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE winmac.v001.n017.10 ---------------
>
> From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu>
> Subject: Re: [WinMac] Mime vs. HTML mail;Netscape vs. OE
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:41:24 -0700
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> References: <199910252319.QAA16356@lists1.best.com>
>
> Robert F. Crean wrote:
>
> > Can someone explain the difference between Mime, html, plain text,
> and, with
> > attachments what does encoding (base 64 etc) have to do with the
> above or
> > vice versa.
>
> MIME: 'Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions' The standard way of
> encoding Internet Mail attachments.
>
> html: is plain text, but with html encodings so a web browser, or some
> variant thereof, such as a mail reader will display the code properly.
> Netscape uses this to send fancy formatted email messages.
>
> plain text: the Canonic GOOD WAY to send e-mail messages. Everybody
> can
> read this.
>
> rtf: 'Rich Text Format' is another way of sending fancy formatted
> e-mail, typically from OE.
>
> Both Netscape and OE will attach useless email dongles to messages if
> you have it set, such as Netscapes Address cards, and things like
> winmail.dat. Both make the presumption that everyone in the world uses
> the same e-mail reader, and of course they can see these things like
> they're intended.
>
> Base 64 is one way of encoding binary files for sending as MIME
> attachments. According to the INternet Mail standard, _everything_ has
> to be 7-bit (ie text) so ways of converting binary data to text format
> have been devised, such as base64, binhex, and uuencode (among
> others).
>
> --
> Bruce Johnson
> University of Arizona
> College of Pharmacy
> Information Technology Group
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE winmac.v001.n017.11 ---------------
>
>
> From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
> Subject: Re: Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:52:31 -0400
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> References: <199910252019.NAA02821@lists1.best.com>
> In-Reply-To: <199910252247.PAA15847@lists1.best.com>
>
>
> OK, here goes: I just rebuilt a Color LaserJet (the predecessor
> to the
> Color LaserJet 5 and Color LaserJet 5M) printer(s). Many - but not
> every -
> part & supply are common amongst these 3 printers... This particular
> Color
> LaserJet was put in service again right next to a CLJ 5M
>
> The $435 drum is common, as is the $200 fuser assembly. Both are
> good for
> ~40,000 copies each. Toner, which comes in bottles (instead of more
> expensive drum/toner cartridge assemblies like that used in the CLJ
> 4500 &
> 8500) is about $24 apiece.
>
> The RAM is common among all 3 printers; and you can upgrade the
> CLJ and
> CLJ 5 to the CLJ 5M configuration by adding a PostScript SIMM, more
> RAM
> (which you'll need anyway) and a J2552A MIO card (10Base-T, 10Base-2,
> and
> LocalTalk); or a 100Base-TX MIO card.
>
> [More inline]
>
> At 03:28 PM 10/25/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >Robert James, Jr. wrote:
> >>
> >> > As for a Laser printer brand, I think you'll need to qualify this
> a bit
> >> > by specc'ing a price range.
> >>
> >> I'm less concerned about price than I am about quality. I guess
> I'm
> >> thinking anywhere between $850-$3,000.
> >>
> >> Also, I remember Matt Harris saying that HPs and QMS printers
> >> recently started using Postscript emulation, as opposed to Adobe
> >> Postscript, which is supposedly better. Which one does Tektronix
> >> support? Also, Dan suggested the old 5M -- since it's older, does
> it
> >> support Adobe Postscript, or emulation?
> >
> >The 5 we have (and presumably the 5M) supports real postscript.
> >Truthfully, though, we had a PS clone on a color Xerox printer for
> >years, and I only saw a couple of problems with it being a emulation
> >rather than the real thing. Dan tends to look at things from a
> >publishing/service bureau point of view on these things.
>
> Well, that's true, because nothing is more frustrating than
> having a Quark
> file choke a PostScript "interpreter" (emulator) -- Just ask LexMark
> on
> that one
>
> And if you think you can skate around this issue, keep in mind
> that you
> (Robert James, that is) will be printing from Macs using the
> LaserWriter 8
> PostScript driver, and not raster printing like one does in windows.
> In
> short, using a PostScript emulator is just one more potential failure
> point.
>
> >The problems with the old 5 series:
> >
> >300dpi, on 8 1/2 x 11 only
> >very finicky about the paper it will take.
> >toner consumeables aren't the only thing you'll be buying. From where
> I
> >sit I see probably around $1000 of maintenance supplies:
> >
> >Color Developer unit
> >Toner collection Kit
>
> This one doesn't need to be replaced - It can be cleaned out. If
> you want
> to replace it, it's only about $6 or so.
>
> >Black developer unit
> >Drum unit
> >Fuser unit
> >
> >as well as the four color toner bottles.
> >
> >These all have to be replaced an a fairly regular basis. (fairly long
> >basis, such as the Drum) but it's not as easy to maintain as a black
> and
> >white printer, foex.
> >
> >> Yeah, I know Ethernet is thankfully much quicker. I was mostly
> >> concerned about needing the Ethernet ports on the 7200s for when we
> >> eventually (hopefully) connect the LAN to the campus PC network. I
> >> suppose there's a "through" jack on the hub that would allow for
> >> that?
> >
> >Depends on how you end up doing things. Here all the machines connect
> to
> >the network through wall jacks back to switches and hubs in the phone
> >closets. In that case, each machine (including the printer) will
> connect
> >via those, and the hub will be uneccesary. If you're just getting a
> >single connection to the campus backbone, then you'll want to confer
> >with your campus neworking people about what equipment you'll want to
> >get.
> >
> >It really depends on your time frame for connecting to the larger
> >network, and what that network looks like.
> >
> >If it's like the campus network here at the UA you may or may not be
> >able to connect that hub (and associated systems) to the backbone. If
> >you can, all you need it the configuration parameters (IP addresses,
> >DHCP stuff, whatever) then plug that into the uplink port on the hub.
> >
> >--
> >Bruce Johnson
> >University of Arizona
> >College of Pharmacy
> >Information Technology Group
>
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE winmac.v001.n017.12 ---------------
>
> From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
> Subject: CLJ-5M followup
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:03:09 -0400
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> All:
>
> ONSALE.COM has Color LaserJet 5M printers, including toner, for
> $1699 at:
> <http://www.onsale.com/category/inv/00000271/02125580.htm>; or if
> that
> link has expired by the time you read this (4:28PM EDT 10/26/99),
> punch up
> <http://www.onsale.com/category/Printers~2~1.htm>.
>
> Cheers
> Dan
>
> INSERT STANDARD VENDOR DISCLAIMER HERE
>
>
>
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>
> From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@lazerware.com>
> Subject: Re: [WinMac] Mime vs. HTML mail;Netscape vs. OE
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:24:00 -0400
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> References: <199910252319.QAA16356@lists1.best.com>
> <199910260041.RAA04393@lists1.best.com>
> In-Reply-To: <199910260041.RAA04393@lists1.best.com>
>
> At 5:41 PM -0700 10/25/99, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> >MIME: 'Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions' The standard way of
> >encoding Internet Mail attachments.
>
> It is also the standard way for doing styled EMail, including
> pictures in EMail, etc. (although it's not correct, I've seen
> people refer to the first M in MIME as "Multimedia").
>
>
> >html: is plain text, but with html encodings so a web browser, or
> some
> >variant thereof, such as a mail reader will display the code
> properly.
> >Netscape uses this to send fancy formatted email messages.
>
> Correct. Also, many EMail clients offer this as an option
> (off by default). AFAIK, Netscape is the ONLY EMail client that
> does NOT offer an alternative and ONLY uses HTML mail.
>
>
> >rtf: 'Rich Text Format' is another way of sending fancy formatted
> >e-mail, typically from OE.
>
> RTF is the Rich Text Format, but it is NOT used for EMail it
> is used for documents (foo.rtf) and is the standard styled clipboard
> format for Windows. Email clients that refer to sending "rich text"
> are actually taking about the MIME "rich text" specs which is how you
> are supposed to send styled text Email.
>
>
> >Both Netscape and OE will attach useless email dongles to messages if
> >you have it set, such as Netscapes Address cards, and things like
> >winmail.dat.
>
> Yup, Netscape puts all sorts of crud in EMail - business
> cards, X.509 certs, etc. But AFAIK, OE does no such thing.
>
>
> >Base 64 is one way of encoding binary files for sending as MIME
> >attachments.
>
> Actually, Base64 is THE encoding format for MIME messages -
> there are even extensions to MIME/Base64 specifically for handling
> MacOS files. The use of BinHex or UUEncoding of enclosures
> shouldn't happen with a MIME message - only plain text.
>
>
> >According to the INternet Mail standard, _everything_ has
> >to be 7-bit (ie text) so ways of converting binary data to text
> format
> >have been devised, such as base64, binhex, and uuencode (among
> others).
> >
> Yup
>
>
> Leonard
>
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>
> --------------- MESSAGE winmac.v001.n017.14 ---------------
>
> From: Michael Logue <mlogue@madison.main.nc.us>
> Subject: Re: Schwartz
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 02:19:48 -0400
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi,
>
> I am just a lurker, picking up info on how to interface with the
> Wintel
> system in our store. I have gleaned much helpful knowledge from this
> list, including much from Dan Schwartz. But Dan, I have to express my
>
> opinion concerning your tendency to go over the top. I am sure you
> feel
> that you are justified in all of your postings to this list, but you
> should understand that you reveal your character to the subscribers to
>
> this list with each posting
>
> I subscribe to several other un-moderated lists, frequented by very
> smart, very opinionated people. And sometimes I have seen some of
> them
> get a little nasty and testy in their postings, but none to level you
> have achieved, and all have apologized to the list after they cooled
> down
> and took in the feedback from other list members.
>
> I don't know you except through your postings, but I must say I hope
> for
> your sake and the sake of the people that have to deal with you that
> you
> somehow find a way to creatively deal with anger and resentment,
> because
> in the long run you are only hurting yourself. As someone else said,
> you
> are obviously very smart and knowledgeable, and have given much to
> this
> list, (and probably many other places), but it would no doubt make
> your
> life much better if you increased your "Emotional Intelligence" and
> improved your social skills. Civility and politeness and respect for
> the
> opinions of those with whom you disagree, are not wimpy and
> hypocritical,
> a position I was guilty of in my callow youth, but the stuff of
> civilized
> and social living.
>
> The only reason I am posting this, is in the hope that the more people
>
> give you feedback on your deplorable behavior, the greater the
> possibility you might reflect on your behavior, and change. But that
> is,
> of course, up to you.
>
> Now back to the regular programing in progress.
>
>
>
> "We have met the enemy and they is us"
> Pogo
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
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RE: Color Printer for Mostly-Mac Network
We've just bought a Tektronix 840 Designer Edition printer (to help our aging HP Color Laser). Everyone at the office is stunned at the print quality, speed, ease of setup/use and cost per page.
For those looking to incorporate color to your network, I highly recommend taking a closer look at solid ink technology as opposed to color laser. Speed, reliability and lower maintenance costs are big pluses (as is the fact that you get free black ink for life, so you can use the color printer not only for traditional DTP work, but also for day-to-day office printing).
Sorry if my message seems a Tektronix add, but it's hard not to get enthusiastic when you get a product that lives to its promises and beyond (of course, we have no affiliation or economic interest with Tektronix whatsoever, aside from being a satisfied customer).
Omar Chávez
Director of Technical Services
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001 - "Robert James, Jr." <rjam - Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
002 - "Daniel L. Schwartz" <exp - Re: Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
003 - Bruce Johnson <johnson@ph - Re: [WinMac] Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
004 - "Nancy Slaymaker" <nancys - unsubscribe
005 - Doug johnson <auberge4@ya - Print problems off Web pages
006 - "Robert James, Jr." <rjam - Re: [WinMac] Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
007 - "Daniel L. Schwartz" <exp - Re: Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
008 - Bruce Johnson <johnson@ph - Re: [WinMac] Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
009 - "Robert F. Crean" <bobcre - Mime vs. HTML mail;Netscape vs. OE
010 - Bruce Johnson <johnson@ph - Re: [WinMac] Mime vs. HTML mail;Netscape vs. OE
011 - "Daniel L. Schwartz" <exp - Re: Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
012 - "Daniel L. Schwartz" <exp - CLJ-5M followup
013 - Leonard Rosenthol <leonar - Re: [WinMac] Mime vs. HTML mail;Netscape vs. OE
014 - Michael Logue <mlogue@mad - Re: Schwartz
--------------- MESSAGE winmac.v001.n017.1 ---------------
From: "Robert James, Jr." <rjames@chi1.uncfsu.edu>
Subject: Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:58:05 EST
WinMacers,
The discussion about network ink printers was quite coincidental.
I'm currently looking to purchase a color *laser* printer to run on
my AppleTalk LAN of eight 7200/120s. I currently have a StyleWriter
2500 -- with a LocalTalk module -- as the network printer, and I
would like to continue using it alongside the laser printer on the
network. In case you're wondering, I have sent this to a Macintosh-only
list, but I have yet to get a response.
What brand/model(s) of printer would you suggest? Would it be best to
look for one built for LocalTalk, or would Ethernet be better? (In
shopping, I've found that not all of them have both). It seems to me
LocalTalk would be better, since I'd only need another LocalTalk
cable, whereas if I got an Ethernet printer, I would need a hub,
correct?
Oh, and price quotes for anything I need would be helpful. I'm
working with my boss on this today, so a speedy reply would be
appreciated.
Bob
--------<<<<<<<<@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@>>>>>>>>--------
Robert James, Jr., Coordinator
Fine Arts Resource Center
Dept. of the Performing & Fine Arts <http://www.uncfsu.edu/w4/dpt/fah/index.htm>
Fayetteville State University <http://www.uncfsu.edu>
Fayetteville, NC
Email: rjames@chi1.uncfsu.edu
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From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Subject: Re: Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:53:07 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
In-Reply-To: <199910251451.HAA28467@lists1.best.com>
H-P Color LaserJet 5M: Inexpensive to buy; and inexpensive to feed. The
newer CLJ 4500's & 8500's are expensive to feed.
You can pick them up reconditioned at The Printer Works for under $2000
<http://www.theprinterworks.com>; and then pick up a pair of 32 MB P.D.
(Presence Detect) SIMMs at The Chip Merchant: You'll need as much RAM as
possible for large input queue and frame buffers.
<http://www.thechipmerchant.com>.
Cheers
Dan
[INSERT STANDARD VENDOR DISCLAIMER HERE]
At 10:58 AM 10/25/99 EST, you wrote:
>WinMacers,
>
>The discussion about network ink printers was quite coincidental.
>I'm currently looking to purchase a color *laser* printer to run on
>my AppleTalk LAN of eight 7200/120s. I currently have a StyleWriter
>2500 -- with a LocalTalk module -- as the network printer, and I
>would like to continue using it alongside the laser printer on the
>network. In case you're wondering, I have sent this to a Macintosh-only
>list, but I have yet to get a response.
>
>What brand/model(s) of printer would you suggest? Would it be best to
>look for one built for LocalTalk, or would Ethernet be better? (In
>shopping, I've found that not all of them have both). It seems to me
>LocalTalk would be better, since I'd only need another LocalTalk
>cable, whereas if I got an Ethernet printer, I would need a hub,
>correct?
>
>Oh, and price quotes for anything I need would be helpful. I'm
>working with my boss on this today, so a speedy reply would be
>appreciated.
>
>Bob
--------------- MESSAGE winmac.v001.n017.3 ---------------
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:58:36 -0700
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References: <199910251451.HAA28467@lists1.best.com>
Robert James, Jr. wrote:
>
> What brand/model(s) of printer would you suggest? Would it be best to
> look for one built for LocalTalk, or would Ethernet be better? (In
> shopping, I've found that not all of them have both). It seems to me
> LocalTalk would be better, since I'd only need another LocalTalk
> cable, whereas if I got an Ethernet printer, I would need a hub,
> correct?
As for a Laser printer brand, I think you'll need to qualify this a bit
by specc'ing a price range. We have two, an aged first gen HP Color
LaserJet and a Xerox docucolor 5700. Both work pretty well. The HP has
the usual HP ruggedness, though it's really picky about paper. I suspect
they've changed that somewhat in the three or so years since we got it.
In _either_ case, you'll _definitely_ want to upgrade to ethernet. MUCH
faster than local talk, _particularly_ when you're shovelling big color
files about.
Hubs are cheap, too. You can get a decent 10 port hub for less than
$100. You'll also gain a lot in file sharing as well.
--
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group
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From: "Nancy Slaymaker" <nancyslaymaker@usamailbox.com>
Subject: unsubscribe
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:58:24 -0400
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Thanks for all the help.
Most of the shared info is over my head so therefore I will leave you all
-until either I am desperate for more tips or I reach your level.
If there is a Mac group for the beginning level, let me know.
In the mean time....
best regards.
Nancy
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From: Doug johnson <auberge4@yahoo.com>
Subject: Print problems off Web pages
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:15:53 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
We are using NT4.0 with SP3 as the print server for
our iMacs.
We can print from Word Processing documents just fine
but web pages are another story. ie: the letter "d" &
"u" are in bold face and twice the size of other
characters in the same sentance.
We have or installed or tried the following:
OS 8.6 installed on all i-macs
Font updater
Adobe print drivers
installed new font files
Anyone?
Doug Johnson
Concordia College
minnesota
=====
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From: "Robert James, Jr." <rjames@chi1.uncfsu.edu>
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:26:53 EST
In-Reply-To: <199910251659.JAA04966@lists1.best.com>
> As for a Laser printer brand, I think you'll need to qualify this a bit
> by specc'ing a price range.
I'm less concerned about price than I am about quality. I guess I'm
thinking anywhere between $850-$3,000.
Also, I remember Matt Harris saying that HPs and QMS printers
recently started using Postscript emulation, as opposed to Adobe
Postscript, which is supposedly better. Which one does Tektronix
support? Also, Dan suggested the old 5M -- since it's older, does it
support Adobe Postscript, or emulation?
> In _either_ case, you'll _definitely_ want to upgrade to ethernet. MUCH
> faster than local talk, _particularly_ when you're shovelling big color
> files about.
Yeah, I know Ethernet is thankfully much quicker. I was mostly
concerned about needing the Ethernet ports on the 7200s for when we
eventually (hopefully) connect the LAN to the campus PC network. I
suppose there's a "through" jack on the hub that would allow for
that? Forgive my ignorance on this subject; I've got so much to
learn.
Thanks for the help so far.
Bob
--------<<<<<<<<@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@>>>>>>>>--------
Robert James, Jr., Coordinator
Fine Arts Resource Center
Dept. of the Performing & Fine Arts <http://www.uncfsu.edu/w4/dpt/fah/index.htm>
Fayetteville State University <http://www.uncfsu.edu>
Fayetteville, NC
Email: rjames@chi1.uncfsu.edu
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From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Subject: Re: Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:02:52 -0400
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References: <199910251659.JAA04966@lists1.best.com>
In-Reply-To: <199910252019.NAA02821@lists1.best.com>
Bob,
Don't confuse the LaserJet 5M with the Color LaserJet 5M: These are two
separate animals And Yes, the 5M has genuine Adobe Level 2 PostScript -
Version 2013, if I remember correctly.
As for ethernet, it's actually quite simple: Just plug every device into
its own port on the hub, and the hub will take care of everything. Then,
just plug a cable from the wall jack from the campus LAN into the "uplink"
port on the hub and voěla Instant connectivity.
At 04:26 PM 10/25/99 EST, you wrote:
>> As for a Laser printer brand, I think you'll need to qualify this a bit
>> by specc'ing a price range.
>
>I'm less concerned about price than I am about quality. I guess I'm
>thinking anywhere between $850-$3,000.
>
>Also, I remember Matt Harris saying that HPs and QMS printers
>recently started using Postscript emulation, as opposed to Adobe
>Postscript, which is supposedly better. Which one does Tektronix
>support? Also, Dan suggested the old 5M -- since it's older, does it
>support Adobe Postscript, or emulation?
>
>> In _either_ case, you'll _definitely_ want to upgrade to ethernet. MUCH
>> faster than local talk, _particularly_ when you're shovelling big color
>> files about.
>
>Yeah, I know Ethernet is thankfully much quicker. I was mostly
>concerned about needing the Ethernet ports on the 7200s for when we
>eventually (hopefully) connect the LAN to the campus PC network. I
>suppose there's a "through" jack on the hub that would allow for
>that? Forgive my ignorance on this subject; I've got so much to
>learn.
>
>Thanks for the help so far.
>
>Bob
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From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:28:26 -0700
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References: <199910252019.NAA02821@lists1.best.com>
Robert James, Jr. wrote:
>
> > As for a Laser printer brand, I think you'll need to qualify this a bit
> > by specc'ing a price range.
>
> I'm less concerned about price than I am about quality. I guess I'm
> thinking anywhere between $850-$3,000.
>
> Also, I remember Matt Harris saying that HPs and QMS printers
> recently started using Postscript emulation, as opposed to Adobe
> Postscript, which is supposedly better. Which one does Tektronix
> support? Also, Dan suggested the old 5M -- since it's older, does it
> support Adobe Postscript, or emulation?
The 5 we have (and presumably the 5M) supports real postscript.
Truthfully, though, we had a PS clone on a color Xerox printer for
years, and I only saw a couple of problems with it being a emulation
rather than the real thing. Dan tends to look at things from a
publishing/service bureau poiunt of view on these things.
The problems with the old 5 series:
300dpi, on 8 1/2 x 11 only
very finicky about the paper it will take.
toner consumeables aren't the only thing you'll be buying. From where I
sit I see probably around $1000 of maintenance supplies:
Color Developer unit
Toner collection Kit
Black developer unit
Drum unit
Fuser unit
as well as the four color toner bottles.
These all have to be replaced an a fairly regular basis. (fairly long
basis, such as the Drum) but it's not as easy to maintain as a black and
white printer, foex.
> Yeah, I know Ethernet is thankfully much quicker. I was mostly
> concerned about needing the Ethernet ports on the 7200s for when we
> eventually (hopefully) connect the LAN to the campus PC network. I
> suppose there's a "through" jack on the hub that would allow for
> that?
Depends on how you end up doing things. Here all the machines connect to
the network through wall jacks back to switches and hubs in the phone
closets. In that case, each machine (including the printer) will connect
via those, and the hub will be uneccesary. If you're just getting a
single connection to the campus backbone, then you'll want to confer
with your campus neworking people about what equipment you'll want to
get.
It really depends on your time frame for connecting to the larger
network, and what that network looks like.
If it's like the campus network here at the UA you may or may not be
able to connect that hub (and associated systems) to the backbone. If
you can, all you need it the configuration parameters (IP addresses,
DHCP stuff, whatever) then plug that into the uplink port on the hub.
--
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group
--------------- MESSAGE winmac.v001.n017.9 ---------------
From: "Robert F. Crean" <bobcrean@sover.net>
Subject: Mime vs. HTML mail;Netscape vs. OE
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:19:39 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> You want to blame someone for HTML mail - blame Netscape who
> invented the silly thing when there were too lazy to properly
> implement MIME.
>
>
This is an issue that has been driving us crazy for some time now. We have
PCs running NT and Netscape, Macs running Netscape and some with OE. Many
of our clients have PCs but are using either Outlook or Exchange (are they
two different things?).
Sometimes attachments come in and the macs running oe can read them,
sometimes not. Sometimes its oe that can read them but not netscape.
Sometimes the other way around.
There appear to be switches in both programs for outgoing mail but I dont
quite understand the whole mess.
Can someone explain the difference between Mime, html, plain text, and, with
attachments what does encoding (base 64 etc) have to do with the above or
vice versa.
thanks
--------------- MESSAGE winmac.v001.n017.10 ---------------
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Mime vs. HTML mail;Netscape vs. OE
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:41:24 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
References: <199910252319.QAA16356@lists1.best.com>
Robert F. Crean wrote:
> Can someone explain the difference between Mime, html, plain text, and, with
> attachments what does encoding (base 64 etc) have to do with the above or
> vice versa.
MIME: 'Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions' The standard way of
encoding Internet Mail attachments.
html: is plain text, but with html encodings so a web browser, or some
variant thereof, such as a mail reader will display the code properly.
Netscape uses this to send fancy formatted email messages.
plain text: the Canonic GOOD WAY to send e-mail messages. Everybody can
read this.
rtf: 'Rich Text Format' is another way of sending fancy formatted
e-mail, typically from OE.
Both Netscape and OE will attach useless email dongles to messages if
you have it set, such as Netscapes Address cards, and things like
winmail.dat. Both make the presumption that everyone in the world uses
the same e-mail reader, and of course they can see these things like
they're intended.
Base 64 is one way of encoding binary files for sending as MIME
attachments. According to the INternet Mail standard, _everything_ has
to be 7-bit (ie text) so ways of converting binary data to text format
have been devised, such as base64, binhex, and uuencode (among others).
--
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group
--------------- MESSAGE winmac.v001.n017.11 ---------------
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Subject: Re: Color Laser Printer to Work with 7200 LAN
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:52:31 -0400
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OK, here goes: I just rebuilt a Color LaserJet (the predecessor to the
Color LaserJet 5 and Color LaserJet 5M) printer(s). Many - but not every -
part & supply are common amongst these 3 printers... This particular Color
LaserJet was put in service again right next to a CLJ 5M
The $435 drum is common, as is the $200 fuser assembly. Both are good for
~40,000 copies each. Toner, which comes in bottles (instead of more
expensive drum/toner cartridge assemblies like that used in the CLJ 4500 &
8500) is about $24 apiece.
The RAM is common among all 3 printers; and you can upgrade the CLJ and
CLJ 5 to the CLJ 5M configuration by adding a PostScript SIMM, more RAM
(which you'll need anyway) and a J2552A MIO card (10Base-T, 10Base-2, and
LocalTalk); or a 100Base-TX MIO card.
[More inline]
At 03:28 PM 10/25/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Robert James, Jr. wrote:
>>
>> > As for a Laser printer brand, I think you'll need to qualify this a bit
>> > by specc'ing a price range.
>>
>> I'm less concerned about price than I am about quality. I guess I'm
>> thinking anywhere between $850-$3,000.
>>
>> Also, I remember Matt Harris saying that HPs and QMS printers
>> recently started using Postscript emulation, as opposed to Adobe
>> Postscript, which is supposedly better. Which one does Tektronix
>> support? Also, Dan suggested the old 5M -- since it's older, does it
>> support Adobe Postscript, or emulation?
>
>The 5 we have (and presumably the 5M) supports real postscript.
>Truthfully, though, we had a PS clone on a color Xerox printer for
>years, and I only saw a couple of problems with it being a emulation
>rather than the real thing. Dan tends to look at things from a
>publishing/service bureau point of view on these things.
Well, that's true, because nothing is more frustrating than having a Quark
file choke a PostScript "interpreter" (emulator) -- Just ask LexMark on
that one
And if you think you can skate around this issue, keep in mind that you
(Robert James, that is) will be printing from Macs using the LaserWriter 8
PostScript driver, and not raster printing like one does in windows. In
short, using a PostScript emulator is just one more potential failure point.
>The problems with the old 5 series:
>
>300dpi, on 8 1/2 x 11 only
>very finicky about the paper it will take.
>toner consumeables aren't the only thing you'll be buying. From where I
>sit I see probably around $1000 of maintenance supplies:
>
>Color Developer unit
>Toner collection Kit
This one doesn't need to be replaced - It can be cleaned out. If you want
to replace it, it's only about $6 or so.
>Black developer unit
>Drum unit
>Fuser unit
>
>as well as the four color toner bottles.
>
>These all have to be replaced an a fairly regular basis. (fairly long
>basis, such as the Drum) but it's not as easy to maintain as a black and
>white printer, foex.
>
>> Yeah, I know Ethernet is thankfully much quicker. I was mostly
>> concerned about needing the Ethernet ports on the 7200s for when we
>> eventually (hopefully) connect the LAN to the campus PC network. I
>> suppose there's a "through" jack on the hub that would allow for
>> that?
>
>Depends on how you end up doing things. Here all the machines connect to
>the network through wall jacks back to switches and hubs in the phone
>closets. In that case, each machine (including the printer) will connect
>via those, and the hub will be uneccesary. If you're just getting a
>single connection to the campus backbone, then you'll want to confer
>with your campus neworking people about what equipment you'll want to
>get.
>
>It really depends on your time frame for connecting to the larger
>network, and what that network looks like.
>
>If it's like the campus network here at the UA you may or may not be
>able to connect that hub (and associated systems) to the backbone. If
>you can, all you need it the configuration parameters (IP addresses,
>DHCP stuff, whatever) then plug that into the uplink port on the hub.
>
>--
>Bruce Johnson
>University of Arizona
>College of Pharmacy
>Information Technology Group
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From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Subject: CLJ-5M followup
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:03:09 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
All:
ONSALE.COM has Color LaserJet 5M printers, including toner, for $1699 at:
<http://www.onsale.com/category/inv/00000271/02125580.htm>; or if that
link has expired by the time you read this (4:28PM EDT 10/26/99), punch up
<http://www.onsale.com/category/Printers~2~1.htm>.
Cheers
Dan
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--------------- MESSAGE winmac.v001.n017.13 ---------------
From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Mime vs. HTML mail;Netscape vs. OE
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:24:00 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
References: <199910252319.QAA16356@lists1.best.com>
<199910260041.RAA04393@lists1.best.com>
In-Reply-To: <199910260041.RAA04393@lists1.best.com>
At 5:41 PM -0700 10/25/99, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>MIME: 'Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions' The standard way of
>encoding Internet Mail attachments.
It is also the standard way for doing styled EMail, including
pictures in EMail, etc. (although it's not correct, I've seen
people refer to the first M in MIME as "Multimedia").
>html: is plain text, but with html encodings so a web browser, or some
>variant thereof, such as a mail reader will display the code properly.
>Netscape uses this to send fancy formatted email messages.
Correct. Also, many EMail clients offer this as an option
(off by default). AFAIK, Netscape is the ONLY EMail client that
does NOT offer an alternative and ONLY uses HTML mail.
>rtf: 'Rich Text Format' is another way of sending fancy formatted
>e-mail, typically from OE.
RTF is the Rich Text Format, but it is NOT used for EMail it
is used for documents (foo.rtf) and is the standard styled clipboard
format for Windows. Email clients that refer to sending "rich text"
are actually taking about the MIME "rich text" specs which is how you
are supposed to send styled text Email.
>Both Netscape and OE will attach useless email dongles to messages if
>you have it set, such as Netscapes Address cards, and things like
>winmail.dat.
Yup, Netscape puts all sorts of crud in EMail - business
cards, X.509 certs, etc. But AFAIK, OE does no such thing.
>Base 64 is one way of encoding binary files for sending as MIME
>attachments.
Actually, Base64 is THE encoding format for MIME messages -
there are even extensions to MIME/Base64 specifically for handling
MacOS files. The use of BinHex or UUEncoding of enclosures
shouldn't happen with a MIME message - only plain text.
>According to the INternet Mail standard, _everything_ has
>to be 7-bit (ie text) so ways of converting binary data to text format
>have been devised, such as base64, binhex, and uuencode (among others).
>
Yup
Leonard
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--------------- MESSAGE winmac.v001.n017.14 ---------------
From: Michael Logue <mlogue@madison.main.nc.us>
Subject: Re: Schwartz
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 02:19:48 -0400
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Hi,
I am just a lurker, picking up info on how to interface with the Wintel
system in our store. I have gleaned much helpful knowledge from this
list, including much from Dan Schwartz. But Dan, I have to express my
opinion concerning your tendency to go over the top. I am sure you feel
that you are justified in all of your postings to this list, but you
should understand that you reveal your character to the subscribers to
this list with each posting
I subscribe to several other un-moderated lists, frequented by very
smart, very opinionated people. And sometimes I have seen some of them
get a little nasty and testy in their postings, but none to level you
have achieved, and all have apologized to the list after they cooled down
and took in the feedback from other list members.
I don't know you except through your postings, but I must say I hope for
your sake and the sake of the people that have to deal with you that you
somehow find a way to creatively deal with anger and resentment, because
in the long run you are only hurting yourself. As someone else said, you
are obviously very smart and knowledgeable, and have given much to this
list, (and probably many other places), but it would no doubt make your
life much better if you increased your "Emotional Intelligence" and
improved your social skills. Civility and politeness and respect for the
opinions of those with whom you disagree, are not wimpy and hypocritical,
a position I was guilty of in my callow youth, but the stuff of civilized
and social living.
The only reason I am posting this, is in the hope that the more people
give you feedback on your deplorable behavior, the greater the
possibility you might reflect on your behavior, and change. But that is,
of course, up to you.
Now back to the regular programing in progress.
"We have met the enemy and they is us"
Pogo
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