Re: RE: Re: NT and losing files - heaps of questions!
Daniel L. Schwartz(expresso[at]snip.net)
Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:05:35 -0400
WinMac Digest #329 - Tuesday, June 1, 1999
Y2K
by <vwysong@infinet.com>
Thanks and Another Question
by "Phil Sutton" <phils@sbinet.com>
RE: [WinMac] Thanks and Another Question
by "Hetzel, Thomas" <TLHetzel@metatec.com>
Re: Server for Rampage RIP
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
NT4 Boot volume [was:Re: Mac OS 8.6]
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Re: Re: Problem Reporting [Was: Mac OS 8.6]
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Re: UPS support [was Choosing a WinMac server]
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Re: [WinMac] Re: Re: Problem Reporting [Was: Mac OS 8.6]
by "John C. Welch" <jwelch@aer.com>
Re: RE: Re: NT and losing files - heaps of questions!
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Subject: Y2K
From: vwysong@infinet.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 00:33:37 -0500
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I have several Midwest Micro Wintel machines & one older Compaq that are
not Y2K compliant. Any advice on using Fix 2000 to make them compliant?
V. Wysong
Subject: Thanks and Another Question
From: "Phil Sutton" <phils@sbinet.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:32:09 -0500
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Thanks for your responses to my "Mac Alone" message. Now another question.
Does anyone know about MacX the software for interacting with Xwindows on
Unix? I was wondering if it would help me interact with the Unix crowd with
more efficiency?
Respectfully,
Phil S.
Subject: RE: [WinMac] Thanks and Another Question
From: "Hetzel, Thomas" <TLHetzel@metatec.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:47:56 -0500
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Depends on what you want to do. We are using MacX to access a XWindows front
end to our database and it works fine.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Sutton [SMTP:phils@sbinet.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 9:32 AM
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: [WinMac] Thanks and Another Question
>
>
> Thanks for your responses to my "Mac Alone" message. Now another question.
>
> Does anyone know about MacX the software for interacting with Xwindows on
> Unix? I was wondering if it would help me interact with the Unix crowd
> with
> more efficiency?
Subject: Re: Server for Rampage RIP
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:05:45 -0500
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Ron: Why not recommend a RIP for the new DS10?!
In many cases, "roll your own" can be dangerous. But then
Dell ships their
boxes with 3c905 NIC's, and H-P and IBM use InepTec SCSI controllers, so
you may not be getting the best quality.
In any case, make sure, if you "roll your own," that all the key
components are on the NT HCL (Hardware Compatibility) list, which is at
least a partial guarantee of success. Personally, I use intel MLB's and
i82557 - based NICs, Symbios SCSI controllers, Mylex RAID controllers, and
Matrox video cards.
I generally steer clear of AdapCrap SCSI controllers and
anything Diamond...
Just my 2 cents...
Cheers!
Dan
At 01:38 AM 5/30/99 -0500, Tim replied to Ron:
>>>Win Mac Gurus,
>>>My company is installing an imagesetter later this year. I can't talk my
>>>prepress manager out of using Rampage for the RIP. This solution
>>>requires a high performance NT server for filesharing with our Mac
>>>clients. I would like to build the server (I can get the parts for less
>>>than half of what our vendors are quoting and build a much better
>>>product) but I've never a)set up a raid or b)setup an NT server for
>>>filesharing with Macs. Neither of these two things seems that difficult
>>>but I don't want to hang my neck out there and not be successful!!!
>>
>>First off, I work for Compaq in my day job so I do have a bias. Personally
>>I would not build a system, I would buy one. Why? Support. If you build a
>>FrankenWintel you could be asking for trouble later on. Granted a name
>>brand is more expensive than rolling your own, but at least you will get a
>>box which is full of parts guaranteed to work together which lowers the TCO
>>(total costy of ownership).
>>
>>Just my 2 cents.
>
> I don't work for a vendor or a reseller and I agree with you
>completely. The support issues far outweigh any potential savings
>for a mission critical server that is required to run your business.
>
>Tim Scoff, MCSE
>casper@nb.net
><http://www.nb.net/~casper/>
>
>Microsoft Windows NT 4.0. The world's only fully buzzword compliant
>Operating System.
Subject: NT4 Boot volume [was:Re: Mac OS 8.6]
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:05:57 -0500
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Chris:
Please see below...
At 09:02 AM 5/28/99 -0500, Chris wrote:
>
>In a message dated 5/26/99 10:56:27 PM, pata@tampabay.rr.com writes:
>
>>> Hmmm, let's see: I didn't have to reinstall any drivers when
>installing
>>>NT4's Service Pack 2, 3, 4, & 5
>>
>>Well, SP5 just killed my brand new install of NT workstation 4. Of course
>>I was very trusting (stupid) and didn't backup before installing but I
>>figured, what the heck I've just reformated the hard drive and am using
>>an NTFS partition so I should be ok. Turns out I have to use 98 for a
>>while until I find the time to reformat and reinstall everything again.
>>And that's not the only machine in our network that SP5 has killed.
>>
>>I've never had such a severe problem with any Mac I've dealt with when
>>updating OSs.
>
>here's another one for you.
>
>We had the LAN Support group from OIT (Office of Instructional Technology
>here at UMass) come over today and upgrade our server (a dual everything
>Compaq) to SP4 (have to have some of that stuff for Y2K compliance -- um,
>let's see, which Mac OS do we have to upgrade to for Y2K?). Anyway, the
>reason it took so long was that if you have an NTFS boot volume over 7.8G
>(FAT is ok), your boot blocks can get mangled by SP4. So they Ghosted the
>server (just in case), ran Partition Magic to cut down the boot partition
>(this took forever), and finally did the SP4 upgrade. If they hadn't done
>this a mess of times on other servers, they never would have known why SP4
>kept trashing big servers.
[Tru64 Unix stuff clipped]
Chris: The problem was in the original setup of the servers.
Just like a
Mac, you don't want the boot volume to be too big - 1 gig is *more* than
plenty. In fact, unless you are storing photos or multimedia you'll want to
break up your server volumes into 2 to 4 gig chunks, to speed access. [Some
experts recommend 1 to 2 gigs, but I prefer to use 4096 byte cluster sizes
and go to the 2 to 4 gig range.]
In any case, ask yourself this question: Why do I need a boot
volume on a
server 2 gigs or bigger? You can easily move the spool files and paging
files elsewhere. Furthermore, by isolating your boot volume from other,
shared, volumes you enhance security - It's harder to krack into the
%SystemRoot%\WINNT directory.
On the Mac side, I always break a larger (>2 gig) drive into
2 volumes -
This way, when it crashes only one volume (usually) gets hosed. This makes
it a LOT easier to recover, as the (HFS or HFS+) file system structure has
far fewer files to keep track of.
>Chris Hoogendyk
>Network Specialist
>UMass Library, Amherst
Cheers!
Dan
Subject: Re: Re: Problem Reporting [Was: Mac OS 8.6]
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:06:11 -0500
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At 09:02 AM 5/28/99 -0500, Joe Schnide wrote:
>Daniel L. Schwartz wrote:
>
>>At 10:08 AM 5/27/99 -0500, David Bell wrote in detail:
>> Next, surf on over to <http://www.MacInTouch.com> for daily
>>bulletins. Any suggestions for an NT equivalent, besides BugTraq?
>
>I'd say also take a look at:
>http://www.macfixit.pair.com
>http://www.maccentral.com
>http://www.macnn.com
MacInTouch is the gold standard, with nothing (that I've
found so far) on
the windows side coming close. Macfixit is pretty good; but I've found
MacNN to be a bit on the brown-nosing side.
>And for pc, I haven't really seen something as good as these are for the mac
>for news, features and following bug/incompatibility/troubleshooting news.
Two
>decent sites are:
>http://www.ntfaq.com
>http://www.sysinternals.com
These are both excellent sites - Especially Mark Russinovich & Bryce
Cogswell's sysinternals. But they don't keep a daily running scorecard of
breaking news like MacInTouch.
>If someone knows of some pc sites of the quality of the mac ones mentioned
>above, please post them as I have seen this request a number of times in a
>number of places! Heck, if you know some Windows gurus, show them the mac
>sites and ask them what sites are comparable for Windows.
[cut]
That's why I asked the question to begin with! :)
Now, on to System files...
>> If you have multiple partitions &/or drives (Mac), drag a copy of your
>>present System Folder to another volume and throw out most everything
>>(fonts, unneeded CDEV's & INIT's, most preferences, etc.) except what is
>>needed to boot the machine and hook up to the LAN &/or Internet.
>
>Dragging isn't always great as it doesn't always properly 'bless' the system
>folder and the drive isn't seen as bootable with boot blocks. I do a minimal
>system install on another drive, partition or removable media for an
emergency
>boot device. Also, as mentioned before, a full backup before the upgrade is
>essential, not an option or luxury.
Ahhh, the Finder can take care of that quite nicely: After drag-copying
the System Folder to another partition, drag the System file (suitcase) out
of the System Folder, and then back in. This works for System 7 & 8; not
sure on 6.0.8 or not. HINT: Don't drag the System suitcase to the desktop -
Just drag it to the root level of the hard drive (The window that is for
the drive itself).
Cheers!
Dan
>
>Joe
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Subject: Re: UPS support [was Choosing a WinMac server]
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:06:19 -0500
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Both APC <http://www.apcc.com> and Tripp-Lite have Mac
software. And APC
even has a UPS that works off the USB port - On a win95 box!
If you also have an NT box on the LAN, then you can monitor the UPS
connected to it and then issue an SNMP trap to initiate a remote shutdown
script on the Mac, yada yada yada...
At 05:09 PM 5/28/99 -0500, you wrote:
>ASIP 6 sounds like a good way to go for a small LAN except that no UPS's I
>know of come with software for closing down a Mac OS server and network.
>
>They all seem to support NT tho! Gap in the market, anyone?
>
>Gareth.
>
>> For something that small I'ld suggest AppleShare IP. It's easy to set
>> up and administer and you can buy a client for the Windows computers. It
>> runs everything that you'll need and almost anyone can manage to install
>> and administer it.
>>
>> --On Tuesday, May 25, 1999, 9:35 AM -0500 "G. Jefferson"
>> <Gareth@smarta.com> wrote:r
>>
>>> Given a cozy little LAN of six peer-to-peer machines, three Macs and three
>>> Windows 98's what would list readers choose as a dedicated server, a
>>> Windows NT box, a Unix box or a MacOS X server?
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Re: Re: Problem Reporting [Was: Mac OS 8.6]
From: "John C. Welch" <jwelch@aer.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 15:50:18 -0400
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I'd like to add http://www.mackido.com to the list, and not just because
<DISCLAIMER> i've done some articles for it</DISCLAIMER>. It takes one
point, such as the Pentium III vs the G3/G4 and goes into a lot of
detail that can be very useful. It can get a bit political, but you can
easily skip those parts. Not a lot of breadth in a day or a week, but a
LOT of depth, sort of Jim Leher vs CNN
john
"Daniel L. Schwartz" wrote:
>
> At 09:02 AM 5/28/99 -0500, Joe Schnide wrote:
> >Daniel L. Schwartz wrote:
> >
> >>At 10:08 AM 5/27/99 -0500, David Bell wrote in detail:
> >> Next, surf on over to <http://www.MacInTouch.com> for daily
> >>bulletins. Any suggestions for an NT equivalent, besides BugTraq?
> >
> >I'd say also take a look at:
> >http://www.macfixit.pair.com
> >http://www.maccentral.com
> >http://www.macnn.com
>
> MacInTouch is the gold standard, with nothing (that I've
> found so far) on
> the windows side coming close. Macfixit is pretty good; but I've found
> MacNN to be a bit on the brown-nosing side.
>
> >And for pc, I haven't really seen something as good as these are for the mac
> >for news, features and following bug/incompatibility/troubleshooting news.
> Two
> >decent sites are:
> >http://www.ntfaq.com
> >http://www.sysinternals.com
>
> These are both excellent sites - Especially Mark Russinovich & Bryce
> Cogswell's sysinternals. But they don't keep a daily running scorecard of
> breaking news like MacInTouch.
>
Subject: Re: RE: Re: NT and losing files - heaps of questions!
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:05:35 -0400
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This is puzzling. I'm assuming that the SCSI chain is in good shape, i.e.
termination is OK, yada yada yada... Also, your
%SystemRoot%\WINNT\Profiles\TEST\PERSONAL directory isn't buried too deep,
so THAT'S not an issue, either. And I doubt if your disk structure is
corrupt, because (I assume) you ran CHKDSK first before converting to NTFS.
If you have the space, try installing a second instance of NT4 into a
different directory and see what happens. You'll need to name it something
different, such as NTHELPER (keep it 8 characters or less). If it works,
then something is wrong with your primary NT installation. If it doesn't,
then jot down your settings, reformat and reinstall.
[NOTE: If you can reformat the drive on another machine, so much the
better. The reason is that when you CONVERT from FAT to NTFS, you end up
with 512 byte clusters - It's OK, but not that hot. You'll want 1024, 2048,
or 4096 byte cluster sizes - No larger than 4096 bytes (because the defrag
API will not work), and no smaller than 1024 bytes (because the file record
size is 1024 bytes, which with a 512 byte cluster size can become
fragmented).]
Cheers!
Dan
At 10:36 PM 5/30/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Hi Dan
>
>Thanks for your help - they were FAT, so I changed them to NTFS, however,
>things are still not right - read on. I created a new profile called TEST,
>saved some files and observed they were in the
>WINNT40\PROFILES\TEST\PERSONAL\ directory and restarted the machine. When
>I logged back in under the same profile, the files were gone!! Should I
>just re-format the drives - what do you suggest?
>
>
>
>>Subject: Re: NT and losing files - heaps of questions!
>>From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
>>Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:02:46 -0500
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>>
>> Dear Richard:
>>
>> 1) I'm assuming your partitions are NTFS: If not, then use the CONVERT
>>command from an MS/DOS prompt. Native Transactional File System (NTFS) is
>>worth the price of NT all by itself;
>
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