Re: OT: MacOS 8.6 disk drivers
Daniel L. Schwartz(expresso[at]snip.net)
Tue, 25 May 1999 16:43:22 -0500
WinMac Digest #322 - Tuesday, May 25, 1999
Re: [WinMac] Mac OS 8.6
by "David Bell" <db28@alphainfo.co.uk>
Re: Appleshare IP error -29626
by "Alex Dearden" <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
Re: Mac OS 8.6
by "Alex Dearden" <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
Re: Remote Access to NT
by "Alex Dearden" <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
Re: Mac OS 8.6
by "Alex Dearden" <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
Re: [WinMac] Mac OS 8.6
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
OT: MacOS 8.6 disk drivers
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Re: [WinMac] Mac OS 8.6
by <CHoogendyk@aol.com>
Choosing a WinMac server
by "G. Jefferson" <Gareth@smarta.com>
Re: [WinMac] Choosing a WinMac server
by "Tim Scoff" <casper@nb.net>
Re: [WinMac] OT: MacOS 8.6 disk drivers
by "Leonard Rosenthol" <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Re: [WinMac] Choosing a WinMac server
by "Michael bartosh" <bartosh@apple.tamu.edu>
Re(2): [WinMac] Choosing a WinMac server
by "David Manley" <dmanley@mcgregor.edu>
Re- Re: [WinMac] Choosing a WinMac server
by "Mo! Langdon" <maureen@mail1.jpl.nasa.gov>
Re: Re(2): [WinMac] Choosing a WinMac server
by "Tim Scoff" <casper@nb.net>
Change a Mac's SCSI controller ID# ?
by "Tom Roth" <tomroth@wfubmc.edu>
Re: [WinMac] Choosing a WinMac server
by "Bruce Johnson" <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
RE: [WinMac] Change a Mac's SCSI controller ID# ?
by "Parker, Douglas" <douglas.parker@lmco.com>
Re: OT: MacOS 8.6 disk drivers
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Mac OS 8.6
From: David Bell <db28@alphainfo.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:38:18 -0500
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Lesley Vita wrote:
>I suggest that before anyone rushes to upgrade, they have a look at a
>thread currently going on TidBits Talk
><http://www.tidbits.com/search/talk.html> called "Files disappearing after
>installing Mac OS 8.6"
>
I suggest that before anyone gets into a panic over this, you check the
facts. Most of the reported instances in Tidbits Talk of files _going
missing_ were system files which had been incorporated into other
components. The so called missing files were therefore redundant and had
been correctly removed by the installer.
The only other reported problem relates to users with non
standard/additional graphics cards when the installer didn't correctly
recognise the cards and upgraded the drivers it found as if they were the
for the standard graphics card. In each reported case the issue was dealt
with by re-installing the drivers supplied with the card in question.
The thread referred to is pretty well dead now. But if anyone is
particularly interested in following it up, the following reference may
help:
<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart147>
In my view, while perhaps the 8.6 installer might have handled this a bit
more cleanly, one always needs to take care in such situations, and be
ready to re-install the additional drivers if necessary. (Surely it
should not be necessary to point this sort of thing out on a list that
deals extensively with Windows issues :-)
David Bell
Alpha Information Services Ltd
Glasgow
Subject: Re: Appleshare IP error -29626
From: Alex Dearden <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:43:25 -0500
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Hello. If any kind soul knows the answer to this I would greatly
appreciate it (or if you are on the Appleshare IP list and want to
forward it I'd appreciate it even more).
When administering an Appleshare IP server recently upgraded to 6.1,
every time I try to show the Shared Points from the File admin, I get a
program error -29626.
There's nothing on Apple's TIL about this.
The OS is 8.1
thanks in advance.
Alex Dearden
MCSE
pata@doglover.com
Subject: Re: Mac OS 8.6
From: Alex Dearden <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:06:46 -0500
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>I suggest that before anyone rushes to upgrade, they have a look at a
>thread currently going on TidBits Talk
><http://www.tidbits.com/search/talk.html> called "Files disappearing after
>installing Mac OS 8.6"
>
>Safety first should be the motto here.
Check also www.macintouch.com who have a special section on OS 8.6
compatibility
Alex Dearden
MCSE
pata@doglover.com
Subject: Re: Remote Access to NT
From: Alex Dearden <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:06:48 -0500
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>I am running DAVE on my G3 laptop to access an NT server.
>
>Is there any way I can remotely access the server? If so, what product do
>you recommend.
What are you looking to do? Establish a VPN? What do you need to do on
the server? What files do you need to access?
Alex Dearden
MCSE
pata@doglover.com
Subject: Re: Mac OS 8.6
From: Alex Dearden <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:06:57 -0500
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> That should be the motto everywhere. Don't install a new OS on any
>important/mission-critical computer until after you've tested it. The
>risks of having a system crash are too great.
Yeah, I agree. I unfortunately suffer from versionitis (only on the Macs
though) and installed 8.6 on my machine as soon as I could get my grubby
hands on it. Later I found out that there were issues with HDT's drivers,
oooooppps. But these have SUPPOSEDLY been taken care of by an update to
HDT 3.02.
No problems so far (although I don't have the upgrade yet)
Alex Dearden
MCSE
pata@doglover.com
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Mac OS 8.6
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:20:12 -0500
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[note from the moderator: I don't want this to degenerate into=20
another Windows/Mac war, but Dan provides some useful information=20
here]
Hmmm, let's see: I didn't have to reinstall any drivers when installing
NT4's Service Pack 2, 3, 4, & 5. If we look at MacOS 8.5, we see that
Service Pack 1 ("MacOS 8.5.1") and Service Pack 2 ("MacOS 8.6") may have
needed new drivers. AND, these drivers operate down in CPU Ring Zero
(Supervisor or Kernel Mode), so they are indeed quite easy to break.
And let's not forget how MacOS 8.5/SP2, err, MacOS 8.6 broke the latest
released version of Adobe Type Manager. I don't think any of the NT4
Service Packs did that trick...
At 07:38 PM 5/24/99 -0500, David Bell <db28@alphainfo.co.uk> wrote:
[cut]
>In my view, while perhaps the 8.6 installer might have handled this a bit
>more cleanly, one always needs to take care in such situations, and be
>ready to re-install the additional drivers if necessary. (Surely it
>should not be necessary to point this sort of thing out on a list that
>deals extensively with Windows issues :-)
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Subject: OT: MacOS 8.6 disk drivers
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:34:46 -0500
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This is off the WinMac topic, but since the subject of disk drivers has
come up, I've always recommended LaCie Silverlining. The current released
version is 5.8.3, and although this version has been out for almost 2 years
(for MacOS 8.0) it did NOT need updating for MacOS' 8.1 through 8.6.
Also, the updaters of Silverlining from any version over the
past 5 years
are free on LaCie's web site.
Over the years I've found that FWB's HDT disk drivers have ALWAYS had
"problems" of one sort or another, constantly requiring updating. And
whenever you update a disk driver, you darn well better back up your
data... Especially if it decides to move partitions around in order to
accommodate more driver code. Yikes! And unless you have a UPS on the line
with up to a 30 minute capacity, you'd better not try this (updating a Mac
disk driver) without a complete backup.
<shameless plug>
Speaking of backups, you can download a FREE version of UltraBac for
personal use only for 95/98 as well as NT, at:
<http://www.UltraBac.com>
</shameless plug>
Cheers!
Dan
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Mac OS 8.6
From: CHoogendyk@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:36:22 -0500
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In a message dated 5/25/99 12:20:58 AM, expresso@snip.net writes:
> Hmmm, let's see: I didn't have to reinstall any drivers when
installing
>NT4's Service Pack 2, 3, 4, & 5. If we look at MacOS 8.5, we see that
>Service Pack 1 ("MacOS 8.5.1") and Service Pack 2 ("MacOS 8.6") may have
>needed new drivers. AND, these drivers operate down in CPU Ring Zero
>(Supervisor or Kernel Mode), so they are indeed quite easy to break.
give it a break. why always this putdown angle?
to be honest to the people who don't know NT as well, . . .
When I did my first server install for NT4sp3 (as opposed to all the
workstation installs) on a dual everything Compaq, I enlisted the help of the
LAN Support group from OIT who had installed dozens of similar servers. They
walked me through installing the basic NT4 and then something like several
dozen patches. They felt that this whole sequence was very important.
This same group came over to do an upgrade to NT4 sp4 (from sp3) on one of
our Compaq servers and ended up having to down the server for a day or more,
wipe it clean and completely re-install it. Something to do with the
proprietary nature of the Compaqs, even though they are considered the best
of the Intel based servers.
Because of that experience, they have scheduled a full day of downtime to
update our primary staff server to NT4sp4 (sp5 is out now). This happens to
work because the library is closed that day while we swap out and replace our
catalog servers (DEC Alphas running Digital Unix). So a couple hundred people
won't be able to do any work on computers that day. We'll have an end of
semester book shelving party -- music in the stacks.
Anyway, the relience on OIT LAN Support is two-fold. I have been devoting my
time to learning Unix and supporting two sun servers, five DEC Alphas and the
databases and web services on them. Installing upgrades on those is sometimes
more complicated; but, depending on what you are doing, you can actually do
it without rebooting the server or even taking it out of service.
I did put OS 8.6 on my G3/300 the day it came out. It was increcibly easy,
and I love it. Have you noticed how lightning quick Sherlock is? OK, I'll go
look for the driver update also. But I haven't had any problems with it.
About the only thing that ever crashes my G3 is Netscape.
Anyway, I think we could talk about Windows and Mac factually without the
partisan putdowns.
[moderator: yes, this is really important to do on this list!]
Chris Hoogendyk
Network Specialist
UMass Library, Amherst
Subject: Choosing a WinMac server
From: "G. Jefferson" <Gareth@smarta.com>
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:35:12 -0500
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Given a cozy little LAN of six peer-to-peer machines, three Macs and three
Windows 98's what would list readers choose as a dedicated server, a Windows
NT box, a Unix box or a MacOS X server?
The LAN connects to ISDN thru a router, the Macs run arty applications with
calibrated, hi-quality monitors, the Wintels run boring bean-counter stuff
with cheap monitors and the server would administer vital back-ups, network
printers and so on. ColorSync is a _sine qua non_
I've no experience of "proper" operating systems, other than very basic Unix
familiarity, but the issues as I see them are: MacOS X hasn't been around
very long and Microsoft OS's are a pig's breakfast. What do the experts
think?
Gareth.
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Choosing a WinMac server
From: Tim Scoff <casper@nb.net>
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:44:12 -0500
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For something that small I'ld suggest AppleShare IP. It's easy to set
up and administer and you can buy a client for the Windows computers. It
runs everything that you'll need and almost anyone can manage to install
and administer it.
--On Tuesday, May 25, 1999, 9:35 AM -0500 "G. Jefferson"
<Gareth@smarta.com> wrote:r
> Given a cozy little LAN of six peer-to-peer machines, three Macs and three
> Windows 98's what would list readers choose as a dedicated server, a
> Windows NT box, a Unix box or a MacOS X server?
>
> The LAN connects to ISDN thru a router, the Macs run arty applications
> with calibrated, hi-quality monitors, the Wintels run boring
> bean-counter stuff with cheap monitors and the server would administer
> vital back-ups, network printers and so on. ColorSync is a _sine qua non_
>
> I've no experience of "proper" operating systems, other than very basic
> Unix familiarity, but the issues as I see them are: MacOS X hasn't been
> around very long and Microsoft OS's are a pig's breakfast. What do the
> experts think?
>
> Gareth.
>
> * Windows-MacOS Cooperation List *
Tim Scoff
casper@nb.net
"Trust the computer industry to shorten "Year 2000" to Y2K. It was this
kind of thinking that caused the problem in the first place."
Subject: Re: [WinMac] OT: MacOS 8.6 disk drivers
From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:44:36 -0500
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At 9:34 AM -0500 5/25/99, Daniel L. Schwartz wrote:
> This is off the WinMac topic, but since the subject of disk drivers has
>come up, I've always recommended LaCie Silverlining. The current released
>version is 5.8.3, and although this version has been out for almost 2 years
>(for MacOS 8.0) it did NOT need updating for MacOS' 8.1 through 8.6.
As long as you were only using it on a HFS disk and NOT an=20
HFS+ disk, that's probably true. The only reason that ANY disk=20
driver needed to be updated for 8.x was to support HFS+ - otherwise,=20
nothing has changed.
Putting Silverlining on an HFS+ disk is about as safe as=20
putting the same disk in the microwave for a couple of minutes...
> Over the years I've found that FWB's HDT disk drivers have ALWAYS had
>"problems" of one sort or another, constantly requiring updating.
They also provide more functionality (encrypted disks, etc.)=20
- and as we all know - with more features, comes more bugs. I also=20
believe that HDT supported MANY more devices than SilverLining did -=20
in terms of new removable media types that have appeared over the=20
years.
>And
>whenever you update a disk driver, you darn well better back up your
>data... Especially if it decides to move partitions around in order to
>accommodate more driver code. Yikes!
Backing up is always a good thing. However, a MacOS disk=20
driver should NEVER have to move partitions to make room for the=20
driver code - that's not how drivers work on the Mac. Wintel is a=20
VERY different story.
LDR
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Subject: Re: [WinMac] Choosing a WinMac server
From: Michael bartosh <bartosh@apple.tamu.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:07:19 -0500
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>Given a cozy little LAN of six peer-to-peer machines, three Macs and three
>Windows 98's what would list readers choose as a dedicated server, a Windows
>NT box, a Unix box or a MacOS X server?
>
>The LAN connects to ISDN thru a router, the Macs run arty applications with
>calibrated, hi-quality monitors, the Wintels run boring bean-counter stuff
>with cheap monitors and the server would administer vital back-ups, network
>printers and so on. ColorSync is a _sine qua non_
>
>I've no experience of "proper" operating systems, other than very basic Unix
>familiarity, but the issues as I see them are: MacOS X hasn't been around
>very long and Microsoft OS's are a pig's breakfast. What do the experts
>think?
If all you have is 6 machines, the MacOS would handle it quite well.
If you just want some sort of unix, linuxppc is a nice distribution
with a lot of developer support and a good future. I'd recommend
purchasing yelowdoglinux; it comes with some nice support options,
even if you are a newbie to the core.
HmmmColorsync should work, as long as you have the proper ppd and
export the printers correctly (supposing they are postscript?)
-mab
>Gareth.
>
>* Windows-MacOS Cooperation List *
Subject: Re(2): [WinMac] Choosing a WinMac server
From: dmanley@mcgregor.edu (David Manley)
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:07:29 -0500
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winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu writes:
>For something that small I'ld suggest AppleShare IP. It's easy to set
>up and administer and you can buy a client for the Windows computers. It
>runs everything that you'll need and almost anyone can manage to install
>and administer it.
I would agree with the recommendation, but if your needs are for file
services then you won't need any extra client software-- AppleShareIP
supports Windows clients via SMB. What kind of printers do you have on
your LAN?
David B. Manley
Director of Information Systems
The McGregor School of Antioch University
800 Livermore Street
Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387
Phone: 937-767-6321 x6959
FAX: 937-767-6461
e-mail: dmanley@mcgregor.edu
Subject: Re- Re: [WinMac] Choosing a WinMac server
From: Mo! Langdon <maureen@mail1.jpl.nasa.gov>
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:07:43 -0500
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Tim replies to Gareth:
> For something that small I'ld suggest AppleShare IP. It's easy to se=
t
>up and administer and you can buy a client for the Windows computers. It
>runs everything that you'll need and almost anyone can manage to install
>and administer it.
Actually, with AppleShare IP 6.x, you don't need separate clients for PCs
any more. And ASIP is a breeze to admin, it just works, and on a
respectable machine, it's got plenty o' poke.
Sl=E1n,
Mo!
Subject: Re: Re(2): [WinMac] Choosing a WinMac server
From: Tim Scoff <casper@nb.net>
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:07:47 -0500
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--On Tuesday, May 25, 1999, 12:12 PM -0400 David Manley
<dmanley@mcgregor.edu> wrote:r
> winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu writes:
>> For something that small I'ld suggest AppleShare IP. It's easy to set
>> up and administer and you can buy a client for the Windows computers. It
>> runs everything that you'll need and almost anyone can manage to install
>> and administer it.
>
> I would agree with the recommendation, but if your needs are for file
> services then you won't need any extra client software-- AppleShareIP
> supports Windows clients via SMB. What kind of printers do you have on
> your LAN?
You're completely correct. I knew that Apple had dropped SMB support
from Mac OS X Server and I forgot if they had also dropped it from
AppleShare IP 6 or not. That makes it an even better choice for him.
Tim Scoff
casper@nb.net
"Trust the computer industry to shorten "Year 2000" to Y2K. It was this
kind of thinking that caused the problem in the first place."
Subject: Change a Mac's SCSI controller ID# ?
From: Tom Roth <tomroth@wfubmc.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:08:01 -0500
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Hello all,
We recently obtained a stand alone CD duplicator which we have been able
to use as a duplicator but you're also suppose to be able to use it as a
normal CD writer by connecting it to a computer. I have tried it on
three different PowerMacs, as the only thing on the external SCSI chain,
with nothing else set to the same SCSI ID 6, and no matter what I get
the same errors and they occur immediately upon trying to write a CD.
Those errors are:
Sense Key = HARDWARE ERROR
Sense Code = 0x44
Internal Controller Error
and then after I get past that I get another error:
Sense Key = ILLEGAL REQUEST
Sense Code = 0x2C
Command Sequence Error
At which point the whole system locks up and I have to do a force reboot
(Cmd+Opt+Power Key) in order to get out of it. The unit seems to work
fine when duplicating existing CDs as we've done both Mac CDs and
Windows CDs flawlessly. We have just not been able to use it to write a
custom CD. I emailed the company's tech support and he replied back
with the following:
-----
> The controller for the duplicator is set to ID #7 and your internal
> controller is set to 7 also. You will have to change the id number
> of your internal controller to another number.
-----
To which I replied back:
-----
I sure didn't see anything about that in the book or on your website but
I can see where that might make a big difference. I know how to change
the SCSI ID of an Adaptec SCSI card in a PC but how do you do that with
the built-in motherboard SCSI on a Macintosh? I thought that was fixed!
-----
So WinMac gurus; is it possible to change a Mac's internal SCSI
controller ID? If not any ideas on how I might get this thing to work?
The duplicator unit has no way to change the SCSI ID of even the CD
writer let alone it's SCSI controller. It's suppose to be able to be
connected to a Mac or Windows computer and comes with software for each OS.
______________________________________________________________________
Tom Roth Wake Forest University School of Medicine
tomroth@wfubmc.edu Dept of Biomedical Communications
http://www.wfubmc.edu/biomed/ Medical Center Blvd
Tel 336.716.4493 Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1011
______________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Choosing a WinMac server
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:18:23 -0500
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Tim Scoff wrote:
>
> You're completely correct. I knew that Apple had dropped SMB support
> from Mac OS X Server and I forgot if they had also dropped it from
> AppleShare IP 6 or not. That makes it an even better choice for him.
Though adding smb support back into OSX server is simply a matter of
compiling Samba (or downloading the binaries if they're done by now)
--
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group
Subject: RE: [WinMac] Change a Mac's SCSI controller ID# ?
From: "Parker, Douglas" <douglas.parker@lmco.com>
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:40:27 -0500
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How about if you have a dual, internal, SCSI bus Mac, move it to that system
and use the other internal SCSI bus, although getting from the internal
connector to a DB25, or Centronics 50, or SCSI-2 connector poses another
twist.
Also, see below.
Doug
> ----------
> From: Tom Roth[SMTP:tomroth@wfubmc.edu]
> Reply To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 3:08 PM
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: [WinMac] Change a Mac's SCSI controller ID# ?
>
> Hello all,
>
> -----
>
> > The controller for the duplicator is set to ID #7 and your internal
> > controller is set to 7 also. You will have to change the id number
> > of your internal controller to another number.
>
I would press the question to see what they mean by this. Is it set by flash
ROM? Is it set by a jumper? If so, then what can you do to change it. If
it's burned into the motherboard, then you're stuck. If there's a soldered
jumper, maybe you can get a soldering pencil...call me gutsy, but...
Doug
Subject: Re: OT: MacOS 8.6 disk drivers
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:43:22 -0500
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At 10:44 AM 5/25/99 -0500, Leonard R. wrote:
>At 9:34 AM -0500 5/25/99, Daniel L. Schwartz wrote:
>> This is off the WinMac topic, but since the subject of disk drivers has
>>come up, I've always recommended LaCie Silverlining. The current released
>>version is 5.8.3, and although this version has been out for almost 2 year=
s
>>(for MacOS 8.0) it did NOT need updating for MacOS' 8.1 through 8.6.
>
> As long as you were only using it on a HFS disk and NOT an
>HFS+ disk, that's probably true. The only reason that ANY disk
>driver needed to be updated for 8.x was to support HFS+ - otherwise,
>nothing has changed.
Silverlining 5.8.3 can't create HFS Extended partitions; but simply use
the Finder command to Erase Disk and then create a new file structure that
is HFS Extended. No big shake... And it works all the way up through beige
G3's. [Untested on B&W G3s]
> Putting Silverlining on an HFS+ disk is about as safe as
>putting the same disk in the microwave for a couple of minutes...
Works for me... On many production NuBus & PCI 60x Macs, as well as PCI
Macs & clones with G3 cards...
>> Over the years I've found that FWB's HDT disk drivers have ALWAYS had
>>"problems" of one sort or another, constantly requiring updating.
>
> They also provide more functionality (encrypted disks, etc.)
>- and as we all know - with more features, comes more bugs. I also
>believe that HDT supported MANY more devices than SilverLining did -
>in terms of new removable media types that have appeared over the
>years.
Not really: Silverlining supports anything I've thrown at it=20
- Even three
IBM DGVS 9 gig drives - Which were introduced long AFTER SL 5.8.3 was
released.
>>And whenever you update a disk driver, you darn well better back up your
>>data... Especially if it decides to move partitions around in order to
>>accommodate more driver code. Yikes!
>
> Backing up is always a good thing. However, a MacOS disk
>driver should NEVER have to move partitions to make room for the
>driver code - that's not how drivers work on the Mac.
Wanna bet? If there's no room for the driver code, i.e. if the initial
space created was too small, then some Mac disk formatters will indeed move
partitions - Even Silverlining.
>
>LDR
Cheers!
Dan
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