[WinMac] Re: Comments

Dan Schwartz(expresso[at]snip.net)
Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:12:50 -0400

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Dear Brian and Al; and everyone else:

Please see my post correcting my error on OS X. It was sent to the WinMac
list Monday at 12:15PM EDT. Below is the full text, including headers.

As for Apple screwing over the millions of owners of 60x series machines,
I stand firmly behind that statement. The 44xx, 63xx, 64xx, and 65xx series
machines are still available NEW in the distribution channels!

I can accept that NuBus PowerPC machines would not be supported: I was
tipped off to this issue on the BeOS site at:
<http://www.be.com/support/qandas/powermac.html>, and:
<http://www.be.com/support/guides/beosreadylist_ppc.html>; but I cannot
and *will not* accept that the dozens of 604-based 7500's, 7600's, 8500's,
8600's, 9500's, and 9600's I have recommended and installed are soon going
to be commercially obsolete.

        In re your argument about 486 support:
        A) There are still 486 machines on the Microsoft HCL (Hardware
Compatibility List) <http://www.microsoft.com/hwtest/hcl/default.htm> for
NT4, such as the Compaq Prosignia VS;
        B) The Mach kernel (as well as Linux) will run nicely on a 486, so CPU
"horsepower" is not an issue for OS/X;
        C) The 486 CPU was replaced by the Pentium series over 4 years ago...
About the same time as the original PowerMacs shipped in March, 1994!

As I said before, I'm fed up with Steve Jobs' littering my customers with
machines and software where support is killed off. AIX and the Network
Server 500's & 700's are a classic example. And let's not forget A/UX on
the Workgroup Server 95's, either. Or Pixar Showplace and Typestry for
MacOS & Windows... Remember, Jobs owns Pixar, too.

Pissed off former MacOS evangelist,
Daniel L. Schwartz

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I stand corrected... OS X and the "Carbon" API was not clearly defined
when I read about it in MacWeek when it was announced.

At 09:56 AM 10/12/98 -0400, Curtis wrote:
>At 01:02 AM 10/12/98 -0400, Dan Schwartz wrote:
>>
>> Dear Al:
>>
>> You are confusing "Rhapsody," NeXTStep, and OS X...
>> NeXTStep was Steve Jobs' OS based on the Mach kernel (Carnegie Mellon)
UNIX;
>> "Rhapsody" was supposed to be Apple's implementation of NeXTStep, with the
>>Yellow Box and Blue Box;
>> OS X is simply a cleaned up extension of MacOS 8... It has nothing to do
>>with any form of UNIX.
>> Just another form of Jobs' doubletalk... OS X is still the MacOS; and more
>>importantly lacking NT's, OpenVMS,' and UNIX' protected memory and
>>multitasking.
>>At 11:10 PM 10/11/98 EDT, ProfSci@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>In a message dated 10/11/98 6:18:34 PM, expresso@snip.net writes:
>>>
>>> Rhapsody was killed off by Steve Jobs. Typical Steve Jobs: Pan off his
>>>struggling NeXT onto Apple for $400 million in December, 1996; and then
>>>kill off the product that Apple bought.
>>>
>>>The Rhapsody (Mac OS X) Server software is due out this month, as I
>>understand
>>>it.
>
>I'm not going to explain all the ways this is wrong, everyone interested
>please read this article:
><http://macworld.zdnet.com/pages/august.98/Feature.4406.html>
>
>The magic word in MacOS X is 'Carbon,' the name for the cleaned up, updated
>Mac Toolbox. Unlike with Rhapsody, applications won't have to be written
>from scratch to operate, just updated to take advantage of the OS's
>improvements. If an app runs under MacOS 8, it'll run under MacOS X.
>Carbon-updated apps will run under MacOS 8 (will probably require something
>like a 'Carbon compatibility' extension for MacOS 8). Mac OS X will also
>have Rhapsody's "Yellow Box" but I don't think I could explain it well.
>
>Things Mac OS X will have: Protected Memory, Preemptive Multitasking,
>Virtual Memory (w/ no more need to increase RAM allotment from Get Info
>window), Multithreading and Multiprocessing, Mach Kernel.
>
>Rhapsody 1.0 (w/ full "blue box" Mac OS emulation) is still suppposed to be
>released this fall but that may be basically the end of it.
>--
>Curtis Wilcox cwcx@cc.rochester.edu
>Desktop Systems Consultant 716/274-1160
>Eastman School of Music Pager: x12-3290

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At 09:39 AM 10/14/98 -0400, Al wrote:
>
>.
>
>Dan,
>
>You often have *very* good technical comments but also
>spew out the most misplaced Apple flames and complete
>misleading misunderstanding statements about upcoming
>technology that you obviously have missed.
>
>The nonsense you wrote about MacOS X not having a UNIX
>kernel is a good example of where you have missed the
>boat.
>
>An example of a rant of yours from today:
>"Just another way Apple screws loyal users:
>Discontinuing support for millions of 60x-series
>machines... Thanks, Steve..."
>
>Come on Dan! First, comments like this have nothing
>to do on a technical list and secondly, how about all
>those loyal 286 and 386 (as well as 486) users that
>have been left high and dry? This is nonsense.
>
>In short, I truly like it when you write on technical
>issues that you are knowledgeable about but I could
>care less about your rants and the misinformation.
>
>Thanks for your time.
>
>Thomas Kase
>GM/co-founder
> accessio.com inc., 33 south main street, #7, south norwalk, ct 06854
> phone: 203.866.4454 fax: 203.866.4546 ICQ #7993841
> email: thomas@accessio.com , web: http://www.accessio.com/
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