[WinMac] FW: Good NT Book; Re: Choice of AppleShare IP 6.0 vs. NT


Omar Chávez(OmarChavez[at]fliteline.usa.com)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:58:10 -0400


> Dear Mr. Schwartz,
>
> Let me first say -for the record- that I am absolutely impressed with
> your reply. It is uncommon to get a calm, balanced and objective
> response when it comes to comparative analysis (particularly in
> regards to Religion, Politics and Computer Platforms).
>
> I really appreciate that you're not only expressing your views and
> fundamenting your arguments with references, but also including URL's
> for easy verification and referral. Very thoughtfull of you, indeed.
>
> My next web-surfing session will undoubtedly include those Alpha
> Clones sites you mentioned. My concern would be quality of components
> and support from the vendors, since the prices you mention are
> certainly eye-opening.
>
> For instance, my HP Netservers are replaced within 24hours if they're
> unable to fix the hardware problem on-site (usually with a loaner that
> keeps my network running while my server is being repaired). Apple has
> the same kind of deal, as well as IBM and Compaq.
>
> Have you had any experiences with any of those Alpha Clones vendors?
>
> As far as tweking the registry and using the "last known good
> configuration," as well as multiple reboots during installation, all
> those are perfect examples of why I would like to move away from NT.
> It's just too time consuming compared to Netware or AppleShare, and
> precisely those elements characteristic of Windows NT (whether 3.5 or
> 4.0) are what increases the TCO of such platform (IMO).
>
> What additional benefits are there in NT that could justify dedicating
> so much time and so much investment in hardware? I have been running
> NT 4.0 for almost a year and frankly, I am not impressed. Am I missing
> something?
>
> You are right in pointing out the superior underlying technology of NT
> as compared to the MacOS, but if all I wanted was a better kernel I
> would migrate to UNIX (Solaris, SCO or even Linux). By the way, are
> you familiar with that option?
>
> Maybe you can provide me with an Alpha server with NT or Solaris at a
> good price point? Tech support by e-mail and fax is OK as long as is
> expedite. Perhaps you would like to help us change PC's for Macs in
> our remote offices in the future? (3 to 6 months) I see that you are a
> Mac consultat, at least that's what your signature says (though your
> posts seem to originate more from an NT consultant than a Macintosh
> one).
>
> Lastly, I would appreciate if you could give me any input on
> AppleShare IP 6.0 serving PC and Mac clients using a Faircom
> C-tree-based application in a network of 50 nodes.
>
> Again, thank you so much for your time and knowledge.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Omar Chávez
> Technical Services Director
> *********************************************************
> Flite Line Equipment Corp.
> Corporate Headquarters
> 1100 NW 163rd Drive
> Miami, FL 33169 * USA
> Tel (305) 626-0004 * Fax (305) 626-0566 * OmarChavez@fliteline.usa.com
> --Los Angeles--Chicago--San Francisco--Washington DC--Honolulu--Miami-
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>
>
> ----------
> From: Dan Schwartz
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 1998 2:08 PM
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Cc: OmarChavez@fliteline.usa.com
> Subject: Good NT Book; Re: Choice of AppleShare IP 6.0 vs. NT
>
>
> Dear Mr. Chávez:
>
> Four salient points:
>
> 1) You can buy very nice 533 mHz Alpha clones from DCG for well
> under $2,000.
> <http://www.dcginc.com>. Also, Enorex, DeskStation, Microway,
> Carrera, and
> Aspen make nice Alpha clones...
>
> Please click on <http://www.alphant.com> for more info on the
> purchasing,
> care, and feeding of Alpha's running NT. You'll be glad you did
>
> -> Now, where did you go, Power Computing, when we need you?
>
> 2) If you are getting BSOD's (Blue Screen of Death) in NT, they
> can
> *usually* be quickly solved by using the "Last Known Good
> Configuration."
> In addition, I borrowed a trick from Conflict Catcher: I create a
> "Minimal
> Services" Hardware Profile (startup configuration), including not
> starting
> the Networking Services;
>
> 3) Along these same lines, get a copy of Kirk Erichsen's
> "Optimizing
> Windows NT" [ISBN 0-7645-3110-7] The recovery & repair techniques on
> pages
> 743-757 is worth the (AMAZON.COM mail order) price of $39.95 alone
>
> 4) I somewhat agree with the assessment about NT's Mac print
> spooler to be
> somewhat troublesome. BUT:
> A) If you are printing to a raster printer, then you DO need to
> be a bit
> more careful in the spooler setup, since you are using a LaserWriter 8
> driver to send a PostScript® file to the NT spooler to be RIP'ed;
> B) This is one area where the MacOS excels: If you have
> PostScript
> printers, just print to these machines directly. You don't need to
> spool
> through NT (in most cases), since Print Monitor DOES do a very nice
> job. I
> always give credit when credit is due, and MacOS printing has ALWAYS
> been
> its strong suit.
>
> [More comments inline]
>
> At 11:12 AM 10/12/98 -0400, Omar Chávez wrote:
> >
> >> NT's Express Setup is actually easier than navigating through
> >> MacOS
> >> 8.1's arcane installation process.
> >>
> >> I disagree with that. For most people APIP is a lot easier to setup
> >> than NT. Any Macintosh user with Intermediate knowledge of the OS
> is
> >> able to install APIP, whereas to install NT you need at the very
> least
> >> a PowerUser, more likely a Network Engineer (MCSE).
>
> Surprisingly, no. I found the learning curve/changeover from
> AppleShare
> 4.0.2 & 4.2.2, and Apple Internet Router 3.0.1 to NT/S 3.51 (as well
> as
> NT/S 4.0) to be surprisingly easy. Yes, M$ "knocked off" most of the
> MacOS
> GUI... But the underlying kernel is much more robust than the MacOS
> 8.x. If
> you have a single NIC *AND* everything inside is on the HCL, then you
> can
> just about hit "Enter" for all the defaults... Except you need to
> pause
> during the Networking installation to add Services for Macintosh.
> Reboot,
> then apply SP3 & SFM hotfix, and all will be fine.
>
>
> >>
> >> What part of 600 mHz don't you understand?
> >> And you tell me that an Alpha 600 is in the same price range as an
> >> AWS9600? I really doubt it. I think that the original poster was
> >> referring to Workgroup Servers, not Enterprise Servers. In
> workgroup
> >> servers with a price point of less than $6,000.00 the AWS gives you
> >> more bung for the buck IMHO.
> ^^^^
> You mean "bang"... I hope :)
>
> Yes; but at $2000 a 533 mHz NT Server is still a better buy.
> >>
> >> Lastly, you can run NT/Server as a workstation OS with the Server
> >> services
> >> in the background. If an app crashes, it simply gets flushed and
> >> doesn't
> >> bring down the whole machine. Try running Photoshop simultaneously
> >> with ANY
> >> version of AppleShare and watch what happens
> >> I would say that any network comprised of more than 10 nodes
> DEMANDS a
> >> dedicated server.
>
> It depends on what the server is doing. If it is being used as a
> simple
> file server, then about 10 connected users is about right. BUT, it all
> depends on what apps the clients are using; and what software the
> server
> local user is running.
>
> >>
> >> Also, what ever happened to the lifetime toll-free tech support
> from
> >> Apple's Business Systems Division
> >> Apple still offers a much better deal in Tech support than
> Microsoft.
> >>
> >> My current network is NT, but I am seriously considering moving to
> >> ASIP6. NT is stable and fast most of the time, but when you start
> to
> >> get a "blue screen of death" you better start verifying your bank's
> >> account, since its going to cost you dearly in terms of time and
> >> money.
>
> True to a point. But if you follow the HCL's, and the KISS
> principle with
> NT, then BSOD's just don't occur. Shutting down extraneous services
> helps
> enhance stability quite a bit. Also, having enough RAM and tweaking
> the
> Registry a bit also helps stability as well as speed.
>
> Let's try to work together to solve the problems you *are*
> having: More
> likely than not it's just a 3rd party driver problem.
>
> >>
> >> Omar Chávez
> >> Technical Services Director
> >> *********************************************************
> >> Flite Line Equipment Corp.
> >> Corporate Headquarters
> >> 1100 NW 163rd Drive
> >> Miami, FL 33169 * USA
> >> Tel (305) 626-0004 * Fax (305) 626-0566 *
> OmarChavez@fliteline.usa.com
> >> --Los Angeles--Chicago--San Francisco--Washington
> DC--Honolulu--Miami-
> >> *********************************************************
>
>
> Yours truly,
> Daniel L. Schwartz,
> Electrical Engineer.
>
> Dan's Macintosh Consulting
> Suite 1306
> 1840 Frontage Road
> Cherry Hill, NJ 08034-2205
>
> 609-795-8965
>
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