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Mac did have a problem with proper rendering of text with
IE 4 and earlier as well as the Netscape 4.7 and earlier. HTML
tags, as well as the default fonts on the Mac, made text display
a different size. That is all gone with Mac IE 5 and Netscape 6
for make.
As Paul indicated, it's best to use Cascading Style SHeets and
avoid some of the Windows Active Page tags, as well as
embedding some Microsoft proprietary tags. And the
MICROSOFT Internet Explorer for Mac does render any
standard compliant HTML correctly.
Now you definitely will have problems trying to serve
these pages on a Mac/OS X server if the person creating
the pages made them with FrontPage and for an
Microsoft Server. You need Active Page extensions to
utilize all those Microsoft tags. This is part of Microsoft's
plan to get the ISP and servers to require, not only the
latest version - read upgrade - of IIS, but to get the
the people to use Microsoft product. I think they call
it embrace, enhance and extinguish. Anyway, creating
page with Front Page will necessitate you to maintain
pages with this product if you use their bots and other
Microsoft tags. Viewing the pages from a Mac/Unix/Linux
or Windows client does not create any problems, other
than needed specific plug-ins which is available for
most platforms.
At 08:48 PM 9/28/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>winmac Digest 28 Sep 2001 20:48:40 -0000 Issue 134
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>Topics (messages 626 through 627):
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>Re: Web pages not displaying in IE5-MacOS
> 626 by: FRANKENSTEIN Paul
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>flat panel for rack
> 627 by: John Chang
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>From: FRANKENSTEIN Paul <Frankens@thirteen.org>
>To: "'winmac@iffy.com'" <winmac@iffy.com>
>Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:59:24 -0400
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>Subject: RE: [WinMac] Web pages not displaying in IE5-MacOS
>
>What's really funny is that the pages in question were developed using
>Microsoft Frontpage...
>
>First off, IE 5.0/Mac has probably the most standards-compliant rendering
>among all the various versions of the two major browsers.
>
>What's happening is that the pages are using crud-like HTML.
>
>Given that they were developed using Frontpage, that's not suprising.
>
>To give an example, <http://productivelearning.com/courses/mind.htm> has
>unnecessary <div> tags sprinkled throughout like jimmies on an icecream
>sundae, multiple nested tables, font tags all over the place, etc.
>
>All that stuff really should be handled by CSS. Check out
><http://www.macedition.com/cb> (required reading, IMHO, for anyone who has
>to work on the web) for some clear, cogent, and highly opinionated columns
>on the subject of web standards.
>
>As for the "converted for Macs", that's a big old load of hoo-ha. As you
>said, it renders fine in Netscape 4.7; it also renders properly in OmniWeb
>(don't know about iCab). The problem is that it's not rendering in IE 5
>(which just happens to be the default browser on every Mac shipped since,
>what, mid-1998?).
>
>Fact: if you write cruddy HTML, you'll have problems with it rendering on
>different browsers.
>
>When someone says "some of our site has not been converted for
>Platform/Browser X", what I hear is either "I was too lazy to do browser
>testing" or "I was too lazy to write good HTML".
>
>That's pretty much all there is to it...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Boyson [mailto:dboyson@pacbell.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 8:20 PM
>To: Win Mac Cooperation List
>Subject: [WinMac] Web pages not displaying in IE5-MacOS
>
>
>To anyone with some insights,
>
>Our company web site contains pages that do not load and display the text
>under IE 5 (MacOS 9.2) yet they will display with Netscape 4.7. They will
>display with IE 5 for windows.
>
>Our Webmaster gives the explanation that "some of our site has not been
>converted for Macs." And that this is a time consuming process. As if
>developing web content to include the Mac is "additional"
>
>Wait a minute..... I thought web pages were constructed with all platforms
>in mind, based on universally acccepted standards for html and Java etc.
>Is there such a thing as additional requirements for web pages in order for
>Apple MRJ to read them??
>
>So my question is - Are web site develpment Applications creating sites that
>are only operable on Wintel machines? Or, only Netscape, or only IE? And,
>does that require additional development for those sites to be multi
>platform, based on commonly accepted standards, as I thought the internet
>was intended to be. Moreover, is our webmaster telling it like it is?
>
>All comments are welcome. You can link to the site via my signature.
>
>--
>David Boyson, IS/HR Manager
>Productive Learning & Leisure
>510-357-5458 voice or fax
>mailto:dave@productivelearning.com
>http://www.productivelearning.com
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>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:53:22 -0400
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>From: John Chang <johnec@umich.edu>
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>Subject: flat panel for rack
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>Does anyone know where I can buy a flat panel that is rack mountable and
>uses at the most 3U space in a rack? I want something inexpensive
>preferably under $1000. Will be used with a KVM. TIA!
>
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