RE: [WinMac] Reduce Appletalk; Asante gigabit NICs for $149

From: Dan Schwartz (Dan[at]BrakeAndGo.com)
Date: Sat Dec 23 2000 - 05:35:07 PST

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            That's correct: AURP - Apple Update Routing Protocol - takes care of only
    broadcasting LAN changes across routers.

            I doubt ANYONE is still using EtherTalk Phase 1... Didn't that go out the
    window with System 7.1?

            In any case, the so-called AppleTalk "broadcasts" are actually quite
    insignificant on today's modern 100Base-TX switched networks; and now that
    Asante dropped the price on gigabit NICs to $149 the overhead on those segments
    is nil.

            [BTW, you do NOT need a gigabit switch to connect only two devices: Use a
    standard 8 conductor Cat 5 patch cable - NOT a crossover cable - since the
    gigabit standard uses all 4 pairs, and handles standard patch cables for
    "nose-to-nose" connections.]

            Cheers!
            Dan

    >-----Original Message-----
    >From: Michael Bartosh [mailto:mbartosh@mac.com]
    >Sent: Friday, January 01, 1904 7:56 AM
    >Subject: Re: [WinMac] Reduce Appletalk
    >
    >
    >
    >My question would be - Why get rid of AppleTalk at all? If you are running
    >AppleTalk Phase 2 (be careful, I think Cisco products still ship with Phase
    >I enabled by default) your broadcasts should not be that bad (I think
    >/everyhting/ broadcasts across /all/ zones with Ph1, wheras routers only
    >update each other when something changes in Ph 2, but its been awhile sincce
    >I looked at it)
    >
    >-mab
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >on 12/19/00 7:32 AM, Welch, John C. at jwelch@aer.com wrote:
    >
    >> I'm going to shock some here, but I agree with Dan on this. For file and
    >> other, IP is the way to go, but AppleTalk and PAP is an excellent printing
    >> protocol, and until the big revision to IP printing finally gets done,
    >> probably the best way to manage printers.
    >>
    >> If done correctly, (read: Plan twice, execute once.), keeping AppleTalk for
    >> just your printers will not bog down the network noticeably. If you are at a
    >> reasonabley modern OS level, i.e. No earlier than 8.1, and 8.6 is a better
    >> rev, then Desktop printing via the LaserWriter 8 drivers avoids the chooser.
    >> In fact, if you are at 8.6 or better, you don't need the chooser at all, as
    >> the desktop printer manager and the Network Browser eliminate the need for
    >> it, unless you need to use something like MacNFS. The current version of
    >> DAVE can function nicely without the Chooser, and if you can eliminate NBP
    >> broadcasts, then *much* of your AppleTalk traffic is gone.
    >>
    >> john
    >>
    >> On 12/18/00 4:44 PM, "Dan Schwartz" <Dan@BrakeAndGo.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> I'm in the minority; but I believe in keeping AppleTalk running for one
    >>> reason: PRINTING.

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