Re: [WinMac] Web Server; Greg J...

From: Daniel L. Schwartz (expresso[at]snip.net)
Date: Mon Mar 20 2000 - 12:31:08 PST

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            There are a LOT of other "Pros & Cons" to running an Internet &/or
    Intranet web server on a Mac vs NT/2k vs unix.

            Speaking in *general terms* (with PLENTY of exceptions!), here are a few
    more reasons to consider one platform over another...

            1) What content is actually being hosted on this given Web server? If it's
    just serving up "brochureware" static pages or streaming media, then
    actually Macs can be a reasonable choice due to it's pretty good security
    *over a network*

            2) If you need to create pages on the fly, i.e. pulling up information
    from a database and then displaying it in HTML format, then look to CORBA
    (Common Object Request Brokering Architecture) or COM+ (M$) middleware...
    If any of you saw the MacWorld keynote address in January, you saw how
    humorous it was that Apple finally "discovered" CORBA for www.apple.com and
    www.mac.com

            3) Clustering is another tricky area for Mac web servers, whether it's for
    load balancing or failover protection. Even Apple themselves uses unix
    (AIX, I believe) on their Apple Network Servers powering mirror.apple.com
    <http://www.mirror.apple.com> and <ftp://ftp.mirror.apple.com>.

            ...And if you think that NT/Win2k has decent clustering, better think
    again: It's *barely* ready for prime time -- And if you're managing a site
    where you need to consider clustering (such as BN.com or GAP.com) you
    wouldn't need to ask here on the WinMac list about using a Mac! :)

            It *is* worth noting that IP load balancing between Web servers can be
    "assisted" by the router; or in the case of Mac Web servers, actually
    "handled by" or "offloaded to" the router;

            4) Actual physical hardware the server runs on: Sadly, the two real
    enterprise quality machines Apple built - The Network Server 500 and ANS
    700 - were killed off when they only sold ~100 units per month... And they
    ran AIX 4, not MacOS. [Question: There was a "skunk works" project to get a
    CHRP MacOS 8.1 (*I think*) to run on the ANS 500 & ANS 700... Greg J, what
    do you know about this?!]. Unless you spend hundreds of dollars for a
    Marathon iRack, you don't really want to use those cheesey Sawtooth cases;

            All this being said, the Mac platform **does indeed** have its place as a
    Web server, especially where security is concerned... And if you are a
    high-profile site (such as DOJ.gov) that is the continual target of
    hackers, then this is *certainly* a major consideration.

    <soapbox>
            Unfortunately for "The Rest Of Us," when Steve Jobs brags about the 4 legs
    of the Apple product "matrix" (desktop and mobile, home and corporate), he
    conveniently omitted "Server" as the underpinnings of the whole thing...
    And without a firm server underpinning the Mac platform will never make it
    in the enterprise... Instead, it will be relegated to the workgroup &
    education markets (where >99% uptime is not required) as well as other
    "special needs" markets (such as government website hosting.
    </soapbox>

            Cheers!
            Dan

    At 10:34 AM 3/20/00 -0500, Curtis wrote:
    >At 01:26 PM 3/20/2000 +0000, Percy Mett wrote:
    >>We currently host a Web server on an NT4 platform.
    >>
    >>What are the pros & cons of hosting a Web server under a MacOS?
    >
    >I think choosing the right web server software for you is more important
    >than choosing the OS. Whether you go with Apache, IIS, WebStar, AppleShare
    >IP, or something else depends on what you're trying to do and what skills
    >you have.
    >
    >I'm going to assume you're talking about running MacOS 9. These are very
    >general comments.
    >
    >Pro: more secure "out of the box"
    > Mac clients can use AppleShare to add, remove, modify web documents
    >
    >Con: no protected memory (yet) so application crashes are more likely to
    >take down the whole machine
    > fewer options for remote administration
    > Windows clients can't use file sharing to add, remove, modify web
    >documents without additional software on the clients or server
    >--
    >Curtis Wilcox cwcx@ats.rochester.edu
    >ATS Desktop Systems Consultant 716/274-1160
    >Eastman School of Music Pager: x12-3290

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