[WinMac] Re: Film Bureau and Platforms
Daniel L. Schwartz(expresso[at]snip.net)
Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:55:56 -0400
Aaron,
I'll thread my responses inline. But, keep in mind that this is for a
(prepress) service bureau, with sustained file transfer speed and large
file management & storage the ultimate considerations...
At 10:17 AM 9/22/99 -0400, my neighbor Aaron Ciesar wrote:
>Rod,
>
>I would go with ASIP (AppleShare IP) 6.2 based on your small network size
>and your Mac/PC ratio.
The Mac-to-PC ratio isn't important: The server (and clients) need to be
completely cross-platform. This is due not only whether the desired app is
Mac-only or win-only, but also because they will be receiving customer files.
>Avoid Novell NetWare like the plague. While NetWare is great for Windows,
>the Mac implementation is crap and reliant upon a third party source
>(Prosoft) for the client.
Agreed 100% :)
>MacOS X Server, is a very powerful solution, perhaps overkill. MacOS X
>Server is very stable and very fast for Web serving. However, ASIP 6.2 is
>faster at file serving than MacOS X Server. If you like a Unix environment,
>go with MacOS X Server.
And it has to ride on cheesey hardware. Have fun unpacking your brand new
G4 if you forget to lift it out of the box by the handles.
<http://www.macintouch.com>
>WinNT Server is great for an all PC environment, and its Mac implementation
>is much better than NetWare. However, NT is much slower than ASIP for
>serving Mac files (NT used AppleTalk, ASIP uses TCP/IP).
Yes, it is slower, but this is due to using AppleTalk instead of IP with
its smaller packet size (hence greater packet overhead). Windows NT5, err
Windows 2000 Server directly supports ASIP emulation, and even the free
beta is quite stable - I'm running beta 3 here at home, yet RC2 is already
shipping. Just keep it simple - A mantra that applies to *any* small
departmental server.
>Now you can add
>third party software MacServer IP from (I have forgotten who makes it) that
>will allow NT to server Mac files over TCP/IP. However, this will solution
>is very expensive. If you are not familiar with setting up NT, go with
>ASIP.
ExtremeZ-IP is available from Intergraph <http://www.intergraph.com>, and
MacServerIP is available in the US from TeamASA <http://www.TeamASA.com>,
and is published by Cyan in Germany [<http://www.cyan.de> or
<http://www.cyansoft.de> - I forget which.]
DISCLAIMER: I am a distributor for TeamASA
>As far as stability goes MacOS X Server will be the most stable, followed by
>NetWare, then NT, finally ASIP. You should note that a properly configured
>ASIP server can go months without rebooting.
I question your assertion that NetWare is more stable than NT, especially
when looking at the end-to-end (server AND client) stability. I would put
NetWare at the bottom of the trash heap because of needing to use extra
extensions & control panels on the Macs, which will make the already-shaky
MacOS even less stable.
>My FileMaker Pro Server 3.0 on MacOS 8.6 has an uptime of 10 months.
And I have a customer that has run FMPro 3.0 on a Quadra 700 riding on top
of AppleShare Server 4.0.1 and System 7.5.1 with Retrospect 3.0a backing up
nightly to an NT server for over 2 years now with never a crash...
>My ASIP 6.2.1 email server with Quick DNS Pro (secondary), Now up to Date,
>QuickMail Central Directory Server (LDAP)for MacOS has an uptime of 6
>months. My ASIP 6.2 web, print, and file server with Quick DNS Pro
>(primary) has been up for a month now (I am constantly tweaking this one
>hence the short uptime).
OK, what are you running them on, and which MacOS - 8.5.1?
>For compatibility, ASIP wins hands down, no questions asked. It is the
>fastest to setup, I did my whole network in 8 hours. It is by far the
>easiest to setup, and it has excellent stability and performance.
I disagree: For compatibility, NT/Server wins hands down. No additional
software is needed for either the Mac or any Windows box connected to it.
Besides, for a small LAN (which this service bureau has) NetBEUI is even
faster than IP for PC-server transfers.
Lastly, I still stand by my assertion that a PCI hardware RAID controller
card is the best way to manage a large disk array - And this alone would
wipe out using a PCI Mac.
>--
>
>Aaron B. Ciesar
>Data Manager/Analyst
>UPMC Stroke Institute
>
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>> Subject: Film Bureau and Platforms
>> From: "Darryl Lee" <lee@darryl.com>
>> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:20:21 -0700 (PDT)
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>> Hi Rod, i think you should probably ask the mailing list this
>> question. i've forwarded it, for your convenience.
>>
>> --Darryl
>>
>>> From graphics@point.com.au Mon Sep 20 23:07:30 1999
>>> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:08:37 +1000
>>> From: point graphics <graphics@point.com.au>
>>> Organization: point graphics
>>> To: lee@darryl.com
>>> Subject: www.darryl.com/winmac/index.shtml
>>
>>> Dear Lee,
>>> Please assist me in a major decision facing the future of a film bureau.
>>>
>>> We are considering upgrading our server to Mac OSX/ Windows NT/ Novell
>>> Netware.
>>> Networking 6 Macs and 2 PCs with 100BaseT.
>>> Using Color Central.
>>>
>>> Q1. Which platform is faster?
>>> Q2. Why?
>>> Q3. Which platform provides more stability?
>>> Q4. Why?
>>> Q5. Which is the most compatable?
>>>
>>> Thanking you in advance.
>>>
>>> Rod Waller
>>> Australia
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