PostScript/non-PostScript
Jeff Johnson(jjohnson[at]wi.net)
Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:18:15 -0500
WinMac Digest #412 - Wednesday, September 15, 1999
RE: [WinMac] AppleTalk or NetWare for HPLJ5Si?
by "Jorge Herrera" <jherrera@one.net>
Re: [WinMac] AppleTalk or NetWare for HPLJ5Si?
by "Bruce Johnson" <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
Re: [WinMac] Re: which IDE drive for a Performa 6320
by "jason hollis" <nonsequiter19@hotmail.com>
Re: [WinMac] AppleTalk or NetWare for HPLJ5Si?
by "Tim Scoff" <casper@nb.net>
Re: AppleTalk or NetWare for HPLJ5Si?
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
VBA for Word 98
by "Marc Stibane" <stibane@fesh.com>
X-platform font wobblies
by "John Nurick" <jnurick@lrconsulting.co.uk>
RE: [WinMac] Re: AppleTalk or NetWare for HPLJ5Si?
by "Tim Scoff" <casper@nb.net>
mac-pc networking on a budget
by "John Droggitis" <johnd@cybernex.net>
Re: [WinMac] X-platform font wobblies
by "Leonard Rosenthol" <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Re: [WinMac] mac-pc networking on a budget
by "Leonard Rosenthol" <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Re: [WinMac] mac-pc networking on a budget
by "Bruce Johnson" <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
AppleTalk zones
by "Jeff Johnson" <jjohnson@wi.net>
PostScript/non-PostScript
by "Jeff Johnson" <jjohnson@wi.net>
Subject: RE: [WinMac] AppleTalk or NetWare for HPLJ5Si?
From: "Jorge Herrera" <jherrera@one.net>
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:46:37 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
Enabling appletalk on an HP printer is trivial.
I have never seen any "instability" being introduced into a network by just
adding appletalk unless there is a problem with the jetdirect card.
That said, you may just use TCP/IP to print to the printer.
Ask what the printer's ip address. Use the ip address as the server name.
Use 'raw' as the printer name when you setup a lpr printer.
Good Luck,
-Jorge Herrera - no relation :)
-----Original Message-----
From: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
[mailto:winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Geoffrey L. Herrera
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 3:40 PM
To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
Subject: [WinMac] AppleTalk or NetWare for HPLJ5Si?
I am the lone (and brand new) Mac person in an all Wintel academic
department. The building/department is ethernet wired for Internet
access but computer services runs a NetWare server for file servers
and printing.
Thanks for any and all help.
Geoff
* Windows-MacOS Cooperation List *
Subject: Re: [WinMac] AppleTalk or NetWare for HPLJ5Si?
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:46:44 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
Geoffrey L. Herrera wrote:
>
> I am the lone (and brand new) Mac person in an all Wintel academic
> department. The building/department is ethernet wired for Internet
> access but computer services runs a NetWare server for file servers
> and printing.
>
> I have got onto the Internet via the ethernet network, but cannot
> print on the department's printer. Computer services says the printer
> -- a Hewlett-Packard LaserJet 5Si -- would have to be configured for
> AppleTalk, which it isn't currently, and the configuration is
> unstable. I wouldn't know. But their response strikes me as odd: two
> floors up from me (in another department) is an HP 4000N that is
> AppleTalked. I can select this (and plenty of other printers around
> the university) from my Chooser, and could print if the other
> Department would let me (why would they?).
Your computer services are the typical FUD-ridden Wintel know-nothing
weenies that say bull**** like that. They're lying, too.
_Netware's_ implementation of Appletalk is a gawdawful nightmare, butr
it's stable, and you don't need that to print.
If the HP is on a JetDirect network interface, all they have to do is
turn AppleTalk on. Period. It's not unstable...we ran Appletalk on about
15 JetDirects for years without problems. (basically because we forgot
to shut it off, and it never bothered us, so we took the lazy sysadmin
way out...'if it ain't broke, don't fix it!')
Another solution is to ask them politely if TCP/IP is turned on, and
what is the IP address of the printer? Then you can configure a desktop
printer using an LPR queue. You'll need to get the instructions (it's on
Apples Techinfo site), and the PostScript Printer Description file for
the HP5si (from HP) and voila' you can print to the 5si.
If they won't do it, you'll have to resort to guerilla tactics...all of
the HP's network settings are available from the keypad...you can turn
on Appletalk right on the printer, but if they're the typical
control-freak b***heads they sound like they are you could getinto
trouble.
Likely that 4000n upstairs was configured by the users, and 'Computer
Services' doesn't have a clue.
Basic idea, complain up the food chain. If your department head is told
that Computer services isn't providing the services your department is
_paying_ them for, heat can get turned up on them pretty fast,
particularly if you can demonstrate that they lied to you.
> So my question is twofold, what has to be done to get me to where I
> can print on this printer, and how do I convince CS to do what has to
> be done?
>
> I'm guessing that there are two options -- AppleTalking the printer
> or NetWaring my Macintosh (it's a bronze PB G3 running OS 8.6) -- but
> I don't know for sure. Is configuring the HP for AppleTalk terribly
> complicated, and/or terribly unstable?
>
--
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Re: which IDE drive for a Performa 6320
From: "jason hollis" <nonsequiter19@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:19:40 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
i stand corrected. what i should have wrote is any currently
available (read "new") hard drive will do. yes? i can't think of a
single currently shipping hard drive that doesn't support the
aforementioned standards.
> Not quite true: Any old IDE drive will NOT do: IDE and EIDE drives will
>NOT work: The drive (for the 630 & 6300 series) must support (at least)
>support ATAPI.
>
> I *think* G3 machines need UDMA support as well; but don't quote me on
>that. Without UDMA support in both the controller *and* drive, CPU
>utilization will "peg out" at 100% during disk access' - With the MacOS,
>and *especially NT* this can be devastating.
>
> Most likely, your new 18 gig drive supports UDMA (although
>your controller
>might not); and most definitely your 18 gig drive supports ATAPI.
>
Subject: Re: [WinMac] AppleTalk or NetWare for HPLJ5Si?
From: Tim Scoff <casper@nb.net>
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:16:04 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
There is a third option. Print to it through TCP/IP.
Ask the CS group for the IP address of the printer. Find the Desktop
Printer Utility (installed by default in the Apple Extras folder) and
launch it. Create a new desktop LPR printer. Type in the correct IP
address, select the correct PPD file, and configure all of the
correct options (RAM installed, paper trays, etc...) for the printer.
It won't be perfect because there will be an error whenever you try
to print but the printer is busy with someone else's job that you
will have to hit OK for until the printer is ready for your job, but
it works extremely well and you'll be able to print from almost
anywhere in the world if you have a direct internet connection from
your office without a firewall.
>I am the lone (and brand new) Mac person in an all Wintel academic
>department. The building/department is ethernet wired for Internet
>access but computer services runs a NetWare server for file servers
>and printing.
>
>I have got onto the Internet via the ethernet network, but cannot
>print on the department's printer. Computer services says the
>printer -- a Hewlett-Packard LaserJet 5Si -- would have to be
>configured for AppleTalk, which it isn't currently, and the
>configuration is unstable. I wouldn't know. But their response
>strikes me as odd: two floors up from me (in another department) is
>an HP 4000N that is AppleTalked. I can select this (and plenty of
>other printers around the university) from my Chooser, and could
>print if the other Department would let me (why would they?).
>
>So my question is twofold, what has to be done to get me to where I
>can print on this printer, and how do I convince CS to do what has
>to be done?
>
Tim Scoff, MCSE
casper@nb.net
<http://www.nb.net/~casper/>
Microsoft Windows NT 4.0. The world's only fully buzzword compliant
Operating System.
Subject: Re: AppleTalk or NetWare for HPLJ5Si?
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:23:34 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ARRGGGHHHH!
"[I]t works extremely well" .AND. "It won't be perfect=20
because there will
be an error whenever you try to print but the printer is busy with someone
else's job that you will have to hit OK for until the printer is ready for
your job." ?!
-> It seems like those two statements are mutually exclusive.
Also, the printer is a HP LaserJet 5si, and .NOT. a 5siMX.=20
The difference
between the two is whether the kludge you describe will work, or not: The
5si series does .NOT. ship with the PostScript=AE option, while the 5siMX
does. And, last time I checked, MacOS' LPR emulation does .NOT. work with
Windows raster printers - Only with PostScript=AE printers.
This actually points out how spoiled - In a good way - Mac=20
users are with
printing: The AppleTalk stack has, built in, PAP - Printer Access Protocol.
This provides a robust method for a workstation to communicate -
bidirectionally - with a PostScript=AE printer. But it has to have a
PostScript processor to take advantage of this... Something the HP 5si
lacks, but the 5siMX has.
Cheers!
Dan
At 11:16 PM 9/14/99 -0500, Tim S. wrote:
>There is a third option. Print to it through TCP/IP.
>
>Ask the CS group for the IP address of the printer. Find the Desktop
>Printer Utility (installed by default in the Apple Extras folder) and
>launch it. Create a new desktop LPR printer. Type in the correct IP
>address, select the correct PPD file, and configure all of the
>correct options (RAM installed, paper trays, etc...) for the printer.
>It won't be perfect because there will be an error whenever you try
>to print but the printer is busy with someone else's job that you
>will have to hit OK for until the printer is ready for your job, but
>it works extremely well and you'll be able to print from almost
>anywhere in the world if you have a direct internet connection from
>your office without a firewall.
[cut]
>
>Tim Scoff, MCSE
>casper@nb.net
><http://www.nb.net/~casper/>
Subject: VBA for Word 98
From: Marc Stibane <stibane@fesh.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:23:47 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi list,
I am a Macintosh developer. Our product is a standalone spell checker,
which I want to integrate into Word 98. I think I'll have to write a
module in VBA, which then links Word98 and our spellchecker.
I once bought a book for Word 6 which described in depth how to do this
and which had floppies both for PC and Mac. The most recent book I can
find now is for PCs (Microsoft Press: VBA for Office 97) only and the
CD-ROM doesn´t include Mac code samples.
Our partner company, which uses the spell checking engine for windows,
successfully integrated into Word 97, they just had to write their code
as WLLs (Word Linked Libraries) and the UI was made in VBA.
I spent more than an hour on the Microsoft website to search for "VBA"
and ("Office 98" or "Macintosh"), but found nothing. Did you know that
there are at least four different search pages on Microsofts site all
leading to different results?
Any hints where to get more information?
Marc Stibane
Fesh! stibane@fesh.com
Gotzkowskystr. 15 tel +49-30-3990 2690
10555 Berlin, Germany fax +49-30-3990 2691
In a world without walls and fences,
who needs windows and gates?
Subject: X-platform font wobblies
From: John Nurick <jnurick@lrconsulting.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:23:54 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
Hello all,
The powers that be have decided that the firm's new image needs new
fonts, and we seem to be running into some cross-platform problems.
The choice is the Frutiger family (#45 to #76). Since we run mostly PCs
without ATM and with PCL printers, I ordered Truetype in both Mac and PC
format, all from Linotype.
Problem 1:
Fonts arrived on floppy. Powerbook doesn't have floppy. I used Transmac
to copy the Mac font files into a shared folder on the NT server. The
Mac was logged in to the network via Dave. It found the folder OK but
didn't recognise the files as fonts.
I'd copied them twice, using both the "MacBinary" option of TransMac and
the "Resource" option (since they seemed to have empty data forks). Any
suggestions?
Problem 2:
When I install the Frutiger fonts on a Windows 9x machine, it
automatically groups them:
#45, 46, 65 and 66 turn into "Frutiger 45 Light" plus italic, bold and
bold italic respectively.
#55, 56, 75 and 76 turn into "Frutiger 55 Roman" plus italic etc.
It appears that this doesn't happen on the Mac. Documents coming from
our designer (as Word 98 templates) contain fonts such as "Frutiger 66
Italic" which Office 97/Win9x doesn't recognise, and documents going the
other way seem to produce a slanted or bolded roman when they should
produce the italic or bold font.
I know there's Windows software that can poke round inside Truetype
files to change this sort of thing; is there a Mac equivalent somewhere?
BTW, there's no Panose information in the Linotype files.
TIA,
John
Subject: RE: [WinMac] Re: AppleTalk or NetWare for HPLJ5Si?
From: "Tim Scoff" <casper@nb.net>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:58:16 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
Dan,
Thank you. I had completely missed the fact that the printer
may not be a
PostScript printer.
What I meant by it works extremely well is twofold. First,
it doesn't make
my computer crash. Second, it works every time. It does pop up error
messages when the LPD on the HP print server doesn't respond immediately
because it is accepting another job, but other than that I have no warnings
to give to anyone before they implement LPR printing on a Mac.
Subject: mac-pc networking on a budget
From: John Droggitis <johnd@cybernex.net>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:41:17 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
I recently bought a PC with an ethernet card that I'd like to network
with my mac for disk and printer sharing. I'm also on a very tight
budget... I would like to share both the PC and mac hard disks, and
also allow the PC to access the mac's printer, a HP deskwriter 660c
that's connected to the mac's printer port with a serial cable.
The network only has these two machines, and they're connected to
eachother with a crossover ethernet cable. The mac runs macos 8.5.1 and
the PC has win98 SE. I know that either PC maclan on the PC or Dave on
the mac will allow disk sharing among other things, but are there any
other (preferrably less expensive) choices?
How about printer sharing? I don't use appletalk to talk to the printer
now, and I'm not sure if I can use appletalk for a direct serial
connection, can I? When I enabled appletalk on the printer port, the
chooser didn't see any printers. But even if it worked, how would I
make it available to the PC? The only way that I can think of is via
appletalk bridge or Printer Share, but then I would have to have pc
maclan on the PC so it can appletalk to the mac. Anyway, I'm rumbling
now...
So can someone that has done this particular thing advice what the most
cost-efficient way of setting up my network is (or even if it's possible
to set up)?
Thanks,
--John
Subject: Re: [WinMac] X-platform font wobblies
From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:04:50 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
At 7:23 AM -0500 9/15/99, John Nurick wrote:
>The choice is the Frutiger family (#45 to #76). Since we run mostly PCs
>without ATM and with PCL printers, I ordered Truetype in both Mac and PC
>format, all from Linotype.
BIG MISTAKE! Go out and buy ATM for all your PC's - it's=20
going to end up a LOT cheaper in the long run than all the hassles=20
you are going to have dealing with TrueType differences.
>Problem 1:
>Fonts arrived on floppy. Powerbook doesn't have floppy. I used Transmac
>to copy the Mac font files into a shared folder on the NT server. The
>Mac was logged in to the network via Dave. It found the folder OK but
>didn't recognise the files as fonts.
I don't know Transmac, so I can't help there.
I would suggest that you find a Mac with a floppy drive, copy=20
the files onto it, enable file sharing on that machine and then copy=20
them from there to the PowerBook.
>Problem 2:
>When I install the Frutiger fonts on a Windows 9x machine, it
>automatically groups them:
>
>#45, 46, 65 and 66 turn into "Frutiger 45 Light" plus italic, bold and
>bold italic respectively.
>#55, 56, 75 and 76 turn into "Frutiger 55 Roman" plus italic etc.
Really? Well that doesn't help things, does it :(.
>I know there's Windows software that can poke round inside Truetype
>files to change this sort of thing; is there a Mac equivalent somewhere?
You're just asking for trouble - use Type 1!
There are TT editors for the Mac, check places like=20
VersionTracker and such for a listing.
Leonard
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
=20 You've got a SmartFriend=81 in Pennsylvania
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol Internet: leonardr@lazerware.com
America Online: MACgician
Web Site: <http://www.lazerware.com/>
=46TP Site: <ftp://ftp.lazerware.com/>
PGP Fingerprint: C76E 0497 C459 182D 0C6B AB6B CA10 B4DF 8067 5E65
Subject: Re: [WinMac] mac-pc networking on a budget
From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:44:26 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
At 9:41 AM -0500 9/15/99, John Droggitis wrote:
>The network only has these two machines, and they're connected to
>eachother with a crossover ethernet cable. The mac runs macos 8.5.1 and
>the PC has win98 SE. I know that either PC maclan on the PC or Dave on
>the mac will allow disk sharing among other things, but are there any
>other (preferrably less expensive) choices?
Well, if you want "real disk sharing" then commercial
products like PCMacLan and DAVE are your best bets. However, if you
can live with a being able to exchange files in other ways, then look
into setting up an FTP server on either/both machines and then using
FTP clients to exchange the files. Works quite well, and you can
find free/cheap products on both platforms.
>How about printer sharing?
You're pretty much SOL on that one - sorry. There is no way
(that I know of) to network a non-Postscript printer x-platform.
One thing I do when I want to print color images from my Mac
(my Epson is connected to a Wintel box) is use Acrobat to create a
PDF file, transfer the PDF to the Wintel box and then print it there.
A bit manually, but then I don't do all that much color printing.
Since the printer is on the Mac, in your case, you could
write an AppleScript to watch a particular folder and automatically
print any file dropped in there - that might work well for you, and
assuming your using the same apps on both sides (Word, etc.) then you
don't even have to worry about PDF.
Leonard
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
You've got a SmartFriend in Pennsylvania
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol Internet: leonardr@lazerware.com
America Online: MACgician
Web Site: <http://www.lazerware.com/>
FTP Site: <ftp://ftp.lazerware.com/>
PGP Fingerprint: C76E 0497 C459 182D 0C6B AB6B CA10 B4DF 8067 5E65
Subject: Re: [WinMac] mac-pc networking on a budget
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:44:29 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
John Droggitis wrote:
>
> So can someone that has done this particular thing advice what the most
> cost-efficient way of setting up my network is (or even if it's possible
> to set up)?
Well, sadly, you can't cheapo out of this that easily, barring someone
giving you an old PC, running Linux and using _it_ to share printers,
etc, using samba (for the PC) and netatalk or cap (for the mac) to set
up file service.
Even then you can't share the Mac's drive with the PC and vice versa.
Your choices are basically PC MacLan or Dave. I'd go with Dave,
personally.
--
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group
Subject: AppleTalk zones
From: "Jeff Johnson" <jjohnson@wi.net>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:18:10 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
What are the pros/cons of setting up each school in a 5-school district as a
unique AppleTalk zone? At the present time, there are no zones set up at
all.
Each school is connected via a WAN and has it's own G3 server running ASIP
6.x. There are Cisco routers at each site.
Jeff Johnson
Technology Coordinator
Greendale School District
Greendale WI 53217
Subject: PostScript/non-PostScript
From: "Jeff Johnson" <jjohnson@wi.net>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:18:15 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
How can a non-PostScript printer be upgraded to PostScript?
Jeff Johnson
jjohnson@wi.net
----------
> I had completely missed the fact that the printer may not be a
> PostScript printer.
End of WinMac Digest
* Windows-MacOS Cooperation List *
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.0b2
on Wed Sep 15 1999 - 17:05:23 PDT
|