Re: [WinMac] mini din 8 to db9 cable
Darryl Lee(lee[at]darryl.com)
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:41:28 -0500
WinMac Digest #400 - Tuesday, August 24, 1999
Services for Macintosh
by "Noel Alford" <noel@asapprinting.com>
Re: [WinMac] Services for Macintosh
by "Jack Crowley" <j-c@iname.com>
SecurID remote access
by "Blair, Hamish C" <hblair@kpmg.com.au>
Summary File Services for Macintosh
by "Noel Alford" <noel@asapprinting.com>
mini din 8 to db9 cable
by "Tom Roth" <tomroth@wfubmc.edu>
Re: [WinMac] mini din 8 to db9 cable
by "Darron Spohn" <dspohn@clicknet.com>
zero KB icon files
by "Seiji Powell" <seiji@firstlight.com>
Re: [WinMac] mini din 8 to db9 cable
by "Tom Roth" <tomroth@wfubmc.edu>
Re: [WinMac] zero KB icon files
by "Leonard Rosenthol" <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Re: [WinMac] mini din 8 to db9 cable
by "Darron Spohn" <dspohn@clicknet.com>
Re: [WinMac] mini din 8 to db9 cable
by "Darryl Lee" <lee@darryl.com>
Subject: Services for Macintosh
From: Noel Alford <noel@asapprinting.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:35:15 -0500
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Hi,
I am stumped. I have a NT Server (4.0 sp4) running services for
macintosh and Delta RIP software driving an Iris and Quasar imagesetter.
This is a new system and I need to have it operational yesterday.
My trouble started with disk corruption on 2 drives after a restart
of the server with a Quark file open on a Mac Workstation (it WAS
late...O.K., I'm a moron but knowing is half the battle). When it rebooted
the server said "possible corruption etc. and ran auto check. The two
drives were no longer visible in the chooser and in the macfile/volumes
window they were Xed out. I removed the files & attempted to share them
again & got the message that they must be NTFS formatted, which they were.
So I reformatted them & got the same message then I deleted the partition &
reformatted & got the same message when I tried to create a mac volume. The
other mac volumes(on different drives) are still visible in the chooser so
I am pretty sure the problem is with these drives and not the services for
macintosh. I have a repair disk but have never used one successfully before
(I'm NTilliterate). I used Disk Manager to reformat the drives, is there
another utility I should use? Will the repair disk help? Has anyone seen
this before?
TIA
Noel Alford
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Subject: Re: [WinMac] Services for Macintosh
From: "Jack Crowley" <j-c@iname.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:44:21 -0500
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Seems like SFM either works swell or doesn't work at all ... just
spent 22 miserable
hours tracking down a similar (but not identical) problem (Quark
couldn't find some
MacFile volumes after an upgrade to Service Pack 4. ... the
non-obvious solution in
my case was a corrupted network card driver ... go figure)
In your case it definitely looks like the NT Server has severe
hiccups. I'd agree that
the problem doesn't appear to be SFM but will caution you to reapply
service pack
4 if you choose to remove and reinstall SFM. Questions:
a) What's different about the "bad" drives from the "good" drives ...
same controller, same make/model/software driver?
b) Any strange messages in the Event Viewer?
c) are these true standalone hard disks or are they logical drives? Are they
part of a RAID array?
d) if SCSI, are they at the chain end? terminated OK?
The simple fact that Server Manager could not recognize the drive as
an NTFS partition
bothers me. I have had that happen when I used a third party
formatter from Partition
Magic ... my solution was the same as yours, reformat.
But, since your formatting has proven fruitless, I'd be looking at
the hardware and
hardware drivers.If you were to tell me that all of the drives were
identical, I'd
ask about the controllers. If the bad drives were on different
controllers I'd look at
their position (master/slave for IDE, slot # for SCSI) in the chain.
Something's got
to be logical here ... ok, maybe not :=).
Best of luck
Jack Crowley
PS ... when you're groggy from Mac/NT problems, does the MacOS smiley face
bother you as much as it does me?
Subject: SecurID remote access
From: "Blair, Hamish C" <hblair@kpmg.com.au>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:44:38 -0500
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Our firm is implementing a new security measure when remotely accessing.
Has anyone heard of the SecurID product, and if it will work with a Mac
(Wall street 250 OS 8.6 running DAVE to access NT network).
Cheers
Hamish Blair
Executive
KPMG Corporate Finance
(03) 9288 6299
Subject: Summary File Services for Macintosh
From: Noel Alford <noel@asapprinting.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:52:23 -0500
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The Prize goes to Jorge Herrera! He has saved me AGAIN! I tried using File
Manager instead of Server Manager and it worked!
>I have found that is NOT a good idea to share a whole disk.
>First, make sure you have the most current Service pack applied. Make a
>directory and then go to winfile.exe (File Manager) and create a Macintosh
>share.
>
>If NT sees the hard drive, then that is not your problem.
>
>Also, make sure you have plenty of RAM on the server.
>
Original Question:
> I am stumped. I have a NT Server (4.0 sp4) running services for
>macintosh and Delta RIP software driving an Iris and Quasar imagesetter.
>This is a new system and I need to have it operational yesterday.
> My trouble started with disk corruption on 2 drives after a restart
>of the server with a Quark file open on a Mac Workstation (it WAS
>late...O.K., I'm a moron but knowing is half the battle). When it rebooted
>the server said "possible corruption etc. and ran auto check. The two
>drives were no longer visible in the chooser and in the macfile/volumes
>window they were Xed out. I removed the files & attempted to share them
>again & got the message that they must be NTFS formatted, which they were.
>So I reformatted them & got the same message then I deleted the partition
>& reformatted & got the same message when I tried to create a mac volume.
>The other mac volumes(on different drives) are still visible in the
>chooser so I am pretty sure the problem is with these drives and not the
>services for macintosh. I have a repair disk but have never used one
>successfully before (I'm NTilliterate). I used Disk Manager to reformat
>the drives, is there another utility I should use? Will the repair disk
>help? Has anyone seen this before?
Thanks to all who responded
Noel Alford
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Subject: mini din 8 to db9 cable
From: Tom Roth <tomroth@wfubmc.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:59:23 -0500
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I've got an Apple Personal LaserWriter 320 that I've been using with my
PowerMac 6100 but now I'd like to be able to connect this printer to a
Dell OptiPlex. This printer has only one way to plug into it and that
is through a serial port that's a mini din 8 female plug. The Dell
OptiPlex has the standard 9 pin male RS232 (DB9) serial port on it.
Therefore, I need a serial cable that's got a Mac Mini Din 8 male
connector at one end to plug into the printer and then a DB9 female
connector at the other end to plug into the Dell.
After searching the web I've not found such a cable. Considering it's a
serial cable I'd think you could find one that was originally designed
to connect PC modems (usually DB25 or DB9) to Mac's mini din 8 serial port.
If anyone knows where I might get such a cable please contact me
directly. I've already checked at the Belkin web site.
Thank you!
______________________________________________________________________
Tom Roth Wake Forest University School of Medicine
tomroth@wfubmc.edu Dept of Biomedical Communications
http://www.wfubmc.edu/biomed/ Medical Center Blvd
Tel 336.716.4493 Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1011
______________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: [WinMac] mini din 8 to db9 cable
From: "Darron Spohn" <dspohn@clicknet.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:39:17 -0500
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>
> I've got an Apple Personal LaserWriter 320 that I've been using with my
> PowerMac 6100 but now I'd like to be able to connect this printer to a
> Dell OptiPlex.
Tom,
A search of the Apple Tech Info Library turned up article number #15348.
Go to http://til.info.apple.com/ and search by the article number. I
used "Personal LaserWriter 320" and "Windows" as my search criteria.
**************************************************
The Personal LaserWriter 320 and LaserWriter 4/600 were designed to meet
the needs of home and small office customers, so cross-platform support
was not included or intended. Including this type of support would have
added unnecessary complexity and cost to the printer. Customers who are
looking for a printer to support both Macintosh and DOS/Windows
computers need to look at our other printers that provide this type of
support.
Since the Personal LaserWriter 320 does not have PCL4 capability or
Diablo 630 ECS emulation, customers with PCs who wish to print using the
Personal LaserWriter 320, need to use AppleTalk as the Protocol, and
PostScript as the page description language. Products such as CopsTalk
by Thursby Software Systems, Inc., and PCMacLAN for Windows by Miramar
Systems, Inc., provide the AppleTalk stack. Microsoft ships PostScript
print drivers with their operating systems.
In addition to necessary software, the printer must be connected to the
network. Ethernet is generally the network of choice, and a bridge
device is required to connect the LocalTalk printer to an Ethernet
network. Bridge products include iPrint adaptor by Farallon
Communications, Inc., and AsantePrint by Asante Technologies, Inc.
At this point, printing from Windows 95/98 via the Ethernet network
should be possible.
**************************************
--
Darron Spohn
Publications Manager
ClickNet Software Corp.
San Jose, CA
408.576.5952
http://www.clicknet.com
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Gary P. Nunn
Subject: zero KB icon files
From: Seiji Powell <seiji@firstlight.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:44:11 -0500
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Does anyone know the cause of 0 kb icons files appearing on an NT 4 mac
shared volume? I find at least a hundred of them on a weekly basis and
I would like to find a way to prevent these files from being generated
because the windows clients cannot manipulate a directory that contains
these hidden files. I do understand that one ICON_ file has to exist at
the root of mac shared volume but these other files seem to appear in
random places on the drive. Could a certain mac application or file
cause these files to appear?
Subject: Re: [WinMac] mini din 8 to db9 cable
From: Tom Roth <tomroth@wfubmc.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:14:57 -0500
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> > Tom Roth wrote:
> > I've got an Apple Personal LaserWriter 320 that I've been using with my
> > PowerMac 6100 but now I'd like to be able to connect this printer to a
> > Dell OptiPlex.
>
> Darron Spohn replied:
> A search of the Apple Tech Info Library turned up article number #15348.
> Go to http://til.info.apple.com/ and search by the article number. I
> used "Personal LaserWriter 320" and "Windows" as my search criteria.
>
> **************************************************
> The Personal LaserWriter 320 and LaserWriter 4/600 were designed to meet
> the needs of home and small office customers, so cross-platform support
> was not included or intended. Including this type of support would have
> added unnecessary complexity and cost to the printer. Customers who are
> looking for a printer to support both Macintosh and DOS/Windows
> computers need to look at our other printers that provide this type of
> support.
>
> Since the Personal LaserWriter 320 does not have PCL4 capability or
> Diablo 630 ECS emulation, customers with PCs who wish to print using the
> Personal LaserWriter 320, need to use AppleTalk as the Protocol, and
> PostScript as the page description language. Products such as CopsTalk
> by Thursby Software Systems, Inc., and PCMacLAN for Windows by Miramar
> Systems, Inc., provide the AppleTalk stack. Microsoft ships PostScript
> print drivers with their operating systems.
>
> In addition to necessary software, the printer must be connected to the
> network. Ethernet is generally the network of choice, and a bridge
> device is required to connect the LocalTalk printer to an Ethernet
> network. Bridge products include iPrint adaptor by Farallon
> Communications, Inc., and AsantePrint by Asante Technologies, Inc.
>
> At this point, printing from Windows 95/98 via the Ethernet network
> should be possible.
> **************************************
I can install the MS AppleTalk protocol that comes with Windows NT which
will make it speak AppleTalk to printers only. The question now is one
of physical connection. An etherprint adapter from Asante could make it
network ready but that's $200 and then I could use a hub or an ethernet
crossover cable to make the physical connection. However, a serial
cable would be the easiest route and even a custom would would be less
then $200. Printing PostScript is what I would want to do on the NT
side there's no problem there.
Apple is making this sound nearly impossible or at best more difficult
then necessary. It's a perfectly good PostScript printer that simply
has serial connectivity only.
Thanks for checking with Apple though Darron. I actually hadn't
thought to look there!
______________________________________________________________________
Tom Roth Wake Forest University School of Medicine
tomroth@wfubmc.edu Dept of Biomedical Communications
http://www.wfubmc.edu/biomed/ Medical Center Blvd
Tel 336.716.4493 Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1011
______________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: [WinMac] zero KB icon files
From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:16:01 -0500
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At 3:44 PM -0500 8/24/99, Seiji Powell wrote:
>Does anyone know the cause of 0 kb icons files appearing on an NT 4 mac
>shared volume?
Sure, you have folders with custom icons. That file is a=20
resource fork only file containing the icons for the folder.
>I would like to find a way to prevent these files from being generated
>because the windows clients cannot manipulate a directory that contains
>these hidden files.
Bummer dude, I don't believe there is any way that you can do that.
>I do understand that one ICON_ file has to exist at
>the root of mac shared volume but these other files seem to appear in
>random places on the drive.
Well, you would understand incorrectly. These files are=20
NEVER required ANYWHERE - but they can appear any anywhere at any=20
time when the user (or installer) puts a custom icon there.
Leonard
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Subject: Re: [WinMac] mini din 8 to db9 cable
From: "Darron Spohn" <dspohn@clicknet.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:14:39 -0500
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>Tom Roth wrote:
>
> I can install the MS AppleTalk protocol that comes with Windows NT which
> will make it speak AppleTalk to printers only. The question now is one
> of physical connection. An etherprint adapter from Asante could make it
> network ready but that's $200 and then I could use a hub or an ethernet
> crossover cable to make the physical connection. However, a serial
> cable would be the easiest route and even a custom would would be less
> then $200. Printing PostScript is what I would want to do on the NT
> side there's no problem there.
>
> Apple is making this sound nearly impossible or at best more difficult
> then necessary. It's a perfectly good PostScript printer that simply
> has serial connectivity only.
>
Tom,
I used to work in the Peripherals Support Group at Apple, so I knew
where to look. I think there is a way to make one of these cables. Try
searching Apple's TIL for Peripheral 8 and pinout. If the article is
still there it will give you the pin configuration of the Peripheral 8
cable.
The problem you are running into is that Apple never intended the PLW
320 to work with Windows. That's one reason it was so cheap (for its
day). As the TIL article states, you must connect this printer to an
Ethernet network and use a bridge to get it to work with Windows. If you
connect it directly via a custom DIN 8 to DB 9 cable, it will expect a
LocalTalk header for each print job. Windows will not do that.
I searched the TIL for a DIN 8 to DB 9 cable configuration but could not
find anything.
--
Darron Spohn
Publications Manager
ClickNet Software Corp.
San Jose, CA
408.576.5952
http://www.clicknet.com
"If the music can't say it for itself, how are the words going to say it
for the music?"
John Coltrane
Subject: Re: [WinMac] mini din 8 to db9 cable
From: "Darryl Lee" <lee@darryl.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:41:28 -0500
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Ok, so a serial cable will not work when what you really *need* is
either an LocalTalk-Ethernet adapter, or a LocalTalk card for your PC.
Again: AppleTalk = protocol, LocalTalk = media
(Yes yes, at various points in their existence the terms were used
interchangeably.)
So this means that even though your NT box is speaking AppleTalk, the
printer ONLY accepts LocalTalk media. (As i recall, in the old days,
you could use an 8-8pin DIN connector instead of actually having
LocalTalk or PhoneTalk boxes and cabling.)
Yes, the Etherprint boxes are kind of pricey, but i bet they're still
cheaper than (modern) LocalTalk cards for PCs (www.copstalk.com).
Actually, heck, right now there's a bunch of them on eBay all for
around $30!
And oh, not that it matters, but if you can track down an old Newton
serial interface cable, it's got 8-pins to 9-pins. Also, it happens
to work for this Olympus Camera i've got, so maybe you could go that
route.
But it will *not* work for this printer. Just for things like
communication between a Newton/Mac/Olympus Camera and a PC.
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