Re: best way win can print to LaserWriter 16/600?
Daniel L. Schwartz(expresso[at]snip.net)
Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:53:04 -0500
WinMac Digest #392 - Monday, August 16, 1999
Re: [WinMac] Re: informinit for mac/ ??? for win
by "lilibeth solidum" <lilyyet@yahoo.com>
Mac / Windows networking
by "Welch, John C." <jwelch@aer.com>
RE: [WinMac] Win NT sbs 4.5 and the mac
by "Omar Chávez" <OmarChavez@fliteline.usa.com>
RE: [WinMac] Win NT sbs 4.5 and the mac
by "Leonard Rosenthol" <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Re: Mac / Windows networking - NTFS permissions
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
RE: Win NT sbs 4.5 and the mac
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Re: [WinMac] Re: Mac / Windows networking - NTFS permissions
by "Welch, John C." <jwelch@aer.com>
Re: best way win can print to LaserWriter 16/600?
by "Kim Andersen" <andersen@pu.org>
Re: best way win can print to LaserWriter 16/600?
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Re: informinit for mac/ ??? for win
From: lilibeth solidum <lilyyet@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 02:07:56 -0500
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Dear John Welch,
Appreciate your response.
I am just new in managing mac users in nt network.
Is there a way using just nt policies or permissions?
Can I comfigure mac users to just see their home directory, and don't
see other ntfs directories.
Can you tell me how or refer a manual?
Thank you.
Augusto
--- "Welch, John C." <jwelch@aer.com> wrote:
> Um...well, you could use OS X Server's Macintosh
> Manager to lock down
> the client's, or At Ease for Workgroups, or some
> such security software,
> and then set the NT drives to automount. Just a
> silly question, WHY do
> you want to do this?
>
> john
Subject: Mac / Windows networking
From: "Welch, John C." <jwelch@aer.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:41:36 -0500
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Okay, here's the basic deal. You can't get NT to run Macs like NT runs
windows. You can use NTFS security to limit what they can do on the NT
machine. You can set up the NTFS shares to automount. You can use NT's
Services for Macintosh.
HOWever...
NT's SFM is straight AppleTalk, no TCP/IP, so it's slow. It's also a wee
bit odd. Not bad, per se, just odd, and somewhat unreliable. You are
MUCH better off installing DAVE onto the client Macs, and having them do
Windows networking. Your NT server will be happier, as you won't need to
run SFM. You'll also give the Mac clients better use of things like
WINS, as DAVE handles that. DAVE also deals with the NT domain security
model better than a Mac trying to use the NT Chooser client. Your Macs
will appear to the rest of the network to be just like the other Windows
machines.
Having used both, DAVE has always struck me as a more elegant solution
to NT access.
As far as Mac users only seeing their home directories, with DAVE, you
can do this the same as you would for the windows clients. You can't use
NT to lock them out of their local hard drives.
john
lilibeth solidum wrote:
>
> Dear John Welch,
>
> Appreciate your response.
>
> I am just new in managing mac users in nt network.
>
> Is there a way using just nt policies or permissions?
>
> Can I comfigure mac users to just see their home directory, and don't
> see other ntfs directories.
>
> Can you tell me how or refer a manual?
>
> Thank you.
> Augusto
Subject: RE: [WinMac] Win NT sbs 4.5 and the mac
From: Omar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ch=E1vez?= <OmarChavez@fliteline.usa.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:22:35 -0500
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1) For Crossplatform Internet access in a network (using only one=20
modem and one ISP account for up to 50 computers) the way to go=20
(easiest, least expensive, fastest and more reliable) is Sygate from=20
Acer (if the Gateway is to be installed on a PC) or Vicom (if the=20
gateway will sit on a Mac).
Both products are dead-brain esy to install, offer zero maintenance=20
and cost almost nothing ($35.00 for Sygate, $99 for Vicom).
2) Exchange for the Mac is a capable e-mail client, it's almost=20
exactly the same as the PC version with only one exeption: schedules=20
cannot be shared between Mac and PC users.
3) NT Mac Services allows you to seamlessly see your NT server as if=20
it was an AppleShare server from your Macs (for file, print and=20
application services).
4) There is an antivirus solution for your complete network: InocuLan=20
from Cheyenne/CA (runs on the NT server with client adapters for DOS,=20
all flavors of Windows & the Mac OS).
Omar Ch=E1vez
Director of Technical Services
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Subject: RE: [WinMac] Win NT sbs 4.5 and the mac
From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:47:48 -0500
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At 9:22 AM -0500 8/16/99, Omar Chávez wrote:
>1) For Crossplatform Internet access in a network (using only one
>modem and one ISP account for up to 50 computers) the way to go
>(easiest, least expensive, fastest and more reliable) is Sygate from
>Acer (if the Gateway is to be installed on a PC) or Vicom (if the
>gateway will sit on a Mac).
Another option on the Mac side, that (IMHO) is a better
product is IPNetRouter (<http://www.sustworks.com>).
>4) There is an antivirus solution for your complete network:
>InocuLan from Cheyenne/CA (runs on the NT server with client
>adapters for DOS, all flavors of Windows & the Mac OS).
>
Are you SURE they have a Mac client? Because AFAIK they
aren't part of the Mac "anti-virus consortium", and that would be
bad...
Leonard
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Subject: Re: Mac / Windows networking - NTFS permissions
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:19:51 -0500
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Dear Augusto,
Another alternative to DAVE is to run MacServer IP on the server. This
will offer several advantages:
1) No client software to install on the Mac... DAVE can cause
unexplained
MacOS crashes. In addition, if you have disabled NetBIOS on the server for
security reasons, then DAVE will not work;
2) This also moves Mac support to a central (server) location;
3) MacServer IP will "pick up" NTFS permissions the exact
same way Windows
clients do. (You can also store Mac files on FAT partitions, but why?);
4) Since MacServer IP uses the IP stack, you don't need to worry about
running the AppleTalk stack on your LAN. BUT, the AppleShare Chooser
Extension on each and every Mac client needs to be at least at version 3.7
to use this, i.e. Apple Filing Protocol over IP (AFP/IP);
5) InterGraph also makes a competing product, ExtremeZ-IP, that
essentially does the same thing;
6) Prices for both will be falling, as NT5/W2k has AFP/IP built in;
7) AFP/IP addresses the speed (non)issue of Services for Mac (SFM),
although you probably will not see much of an advantage on 10Base-T
segments... It really "kicks in gear" with 100Base-TX.
Reference <http://www.TeamASA.com> for MacServer IP, and
<http://www.intergraph.com> for ExtremeZ-IP. Both sites have time-bombed
demos available.
Yours truly,
Dan Schwartz
DISCLAIMER: I am a dealer for Team ASA.
Subject: RE: Win NT sbs 4.5 and the mac
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:20:17 -0500
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At 09:47 AM 8/16/99 -0500, Leonard wrote:
>At 9:22 AM -0500 8/16/99, Omar Ch=E1vez wrote:
>>1) For Crossplatform Internet access in a network (using only one
>>modem and one ISP account for up to 50 computers) the way to go
>>(easiest, least expensive, fastest and more reliable) is Sygate from
>>Acer (if the Gateway is to be installed on a PC) or Vicom (if the
>>gateway will sit on a Mac).
>
> Another option on the Mac side, that (IMHO) is a better
>product is IPNetRouter (<http://www.sustworks.com>).
Spaghetti gets high marks as well, although I've never deployed it.
Instead, I use a WebRamp IP "appliance." <http://www.rampnet.com>
>>4) There is an antivirus solution for your complete network:
>>InocuLan from Cheyenne/CA (runs on the NT server with client
>>adapters for DOS, all flavors of Windows & the Mac OS).
>>
> Are you SURE they have a Mac client? Because AFAIK they
>aren't part of the Mac "anti-virus consortium", and that would be
>bad...
>
>
>Leonard
I recommend and use Sophos SWEEP <http://www.sophos.com>, since it can
detect Mac virii on the server. It's expensive, but it works well. They
have a Mac client available; plus they are in a final beta for a Mac
standalone version. HOWEVER, I still put the freeware WormFood in the
Startup Items folder of every PowerPC Mac & clone as a quick extra check.
Cheers!
Dan
DISCLAIMER: I am a dealer for Sophos.
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Re: Mac / Windows networking - NTFS permissions
From: "Welch, John C." <jwelch@aer.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:15:22 -0500
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Dan has a good point here, although if you do a lot of big file
transfers, you will DEFINITELY see an advantage to AppleTalk/IP over
straight appletalk, even on a 10BT network.
john
"Daniel L. Schwartz" wrote:
> Another alternative to DAVE is to run MacServer IP on the
>server. This
> will offer several advantages:
>
> 1) No client software to install on the Mac... DAVE can cause
> unexplained
> MacOS crashes. In addition, if you have disabled NetBIOS on the server for
> security reasons, then DAVE will not work;
>
> 2) This also moves Mac support to a central (server) location;
>
> 3) MacServer IP will "pick up" NTFS permissions the exact
> same way Windows
> clients do. (You can also store Mac files on FAT partitions, but why?);
>
> 4) Since MacServer IP uses the IP stack, you don't need to
>worry about
> running the AppleTalk stack on your LAN. BUT, the AppleShare Chooser
> Extension on each and every Mac client needs to be at least at version 3.7
> to use this, i.e. Apple Filing Protocol over IP (AFP/IP);
>
> 5) InterGraph also makes a competing product, ExtremeZ-IP, that
> essentially does the same thing;
>
> 6) Prices for both will be falling, as NT5/W2k has AFP/IP built in;
>
> 7) AFP/IP addresses the speed (non)issue of Services for Mac (SFM),
> although you probably will not see much of an advantage on 10Base-T
> segments... It really "kicks in gear" with 100Base-TX.
>
> Reference <http://www.TeamASA.com> for MacServer IP, and
> <http://www.intergraph.com> for ExtremeZ-IP. Both sites have time-bombed
> demos available.
>
> Yours truly,
> Dan Schwartz
Subject: Re: best way win can print to LaserWriter 16/600?
From: Kim Andersen <andersen@pu.org>
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:04:39 -0500
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At 10:07 PM -0500 8/12/99, Michael Bartosh wrote:
>What's the best way to get our win 98 clients to print to this printer?
PC MacLan from Miramar (http://www.miramarsys.com) adds Appletalk
protocol to Windows networking. All our PCs run it and they can all
print to any printer on our network. No fussing with lpr or print
servers.
Kim Andersen
Amarillo National Resource Center
Subject: Re: best way win can print to LaserWriter 16/600?
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:53:04 -0500
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Kim is right on this one: AppleTalk has the very nice PAP built in!
At 12:04 PM 8/16/99 -0500, Kim wrote:
>At 10:07 PM -0500 8/12/99, Michael Bartosh wrote:
>>What's the best way to get our win 98 clients to print to this printer?
>
>PC MacLan from Miramar (http://www.miramarsys.com) adds Appletalk
>protocol to Windows networking. All our PCs run it and they can all
>print to any printer on our network. No fussing with lpr or print
>servers.
>
>Kim Andersen
>Amarillo National Resource Center
>
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