Re: [WinMac] More on cross platform CDs
Tom Roth(tomroth[at]wfubmc.edu)
Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:37:21 -0500
WinMac Digest #384 - Wednesday, August 4, 1999
BDC
by "Neil Jedrzejewski" <jed@grafx.co.uk>
informinit for mac/ ??? for win
by "Parker, Douglas" <douglas.parker@lmco.com>
More on cross platform CDs
by "Tom Roth" <tomroth@wfubmc.edu>
Re: [WinMac] More on cross platform CDs
by "Bruce Johnson" <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
Re: [WinMac] More on cross platform CDs
by "Changhsu P. Liu" <cpl874@optimum.com>
Re: [WinMac] More on cross platform CDs
by "Tom Roth" <tomroth@wfubmc.edu>
Re: [WinMac] More on cross platform CDs
by "Tom Roth" <tomroth@wfubmc.edu>
Subject: BDC
From: Neil Jedrzejewski <jed@grafx.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:42:39 -0500
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> I agree with the other fellow. You won't be any more secure with the
> webserver being the BDC. They both have the same abilities. And are you
> sure that your BDC isn't accessible to the public? You'd be surprised. If
> it has an IP address and can connect to the Internet, guess what, it's just
> as accessible.
Well the plan is as follows.
KONTORSERVER which will be promoted to PDC will be placed behind the
firewall on our VPN with Webserver being on the public site of the
network.
Question number 2:
How do you de-commision a BDC? Once its become a BDC we want to make
it just an application server thats part of the doman. Is this as easy
as swapping PDC/BDC - selecting it and turning of BDC services?
- Jed
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Neil "Jed" Jedrzejewski - Grafx NewMedia, Cheltenham (01242 704359)
Internet Technology Specialist, Web Developer, Application Programmer
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Subject: informinit for mac/ ??? for win
From: "Parker, Douglas" <douglas.parker@lmco.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:06:45 -0500
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What resources are available to tell me what all the dll files do, which
apps use which dlls, etc?
Doug
Subject: More on cross platform CDs
From: Tom Roth <tomroth@wfubmc.edu>
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:07:02 -0500
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I've been following the thread about cross platform CDs and just
yesterday tried to create one and was not entirely successful. I've
made cross platform CDs before but not with long Win95 & NT filenames.
Here's what I've did...
First attempt: using Toast version 3.0.5 on the Mac I made a hybrid CD,
HFS and ISO. The ISO side truncated the longer filenames but the Mac
side was fine.
Second attempt: I burned just the Mac HFS partition on Toast not closing
the disc and then took the CD to my WinNT machine that has a writable CD
and wrote the ISO partition there using Easy CD Pro 2.11. I did NOT
close the disc then either. This time I was able to get the long
filenames as that's one of the options when you write the CD in Easy CD
Pro, an option I did not see in Toast 3.0.5. The CD works fine on both
platforms except the Mac sees both partitions. That's what I mean by
not entirely successful. Before when I've made dual platform CDs in
Toast the Mac would only see the Mac partition. Is this because Toast
didn't write the whole thing or because I didn't close the CD on the
Windows side? Or should I have written the Windows partition first and
then finished by writing and closing the disc in Toast?
Another problem with this second attempt CD was when I tried to
duplicate it in a CD duplicator it only duped the Mac partition and not
the Windows partition. This is the first time I had tried to dupe a
dual partition CD that I had made in that duplicator though I don't
think it's any fault of the duplicator. Could it have been because I
never closed the CD when writing the last partition to it? I'm guessing
that the duplicator works by copying an image of the CD and not byte for byte.
Third attempt: I took the ISO file created by Easy CD Pro and copied it
to the Mac that has Toast. Using Creator Changer I made the file have
the same Type & Creator code as an ISO file made by Toast. I then made
another dual CD with Toast, HFS & ISO and it seemed to work fine but
when I put the CD into my Windows computer it could not read the disc at
all. The Mac partition worked fine.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
______________________________________________________________________
Tom Roth Wake Forest University School of Medicine
tomroth@wfubmc.edu Dept of Biomedical Communications
http://www.wfubmc.edu/biomed/ Medical Center Blvd
Tel 336.716.4493 Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1011
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Subject: Re: [WinMac] More on cross platform CDs
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:12:32 -0500
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Tom Roth wrote:
>
>
> I've been following the thread about cross platform CDs and just
> yesterday tried to create one and was not entirely successful. I've
> made cross platform CDs before but not with long Win95 & NT filenames.
>
> Here's what I've did...
> Second attempt: I burned just the Mac HFS partition on Toast not closing
> the disc and then took the CD to my WinNT machine that has a writable CD
> and wrote the ISO partition there using Easy CD Pro 2.11. Is this
>because Toast
> didn't write the whole thing or because I didn't close the CD on the
> Windows side? Or should I have written the Windows partition first and
> then finished by writing and closing the disc in Toast?
It is because what you actually have here is a multisession CD, not a
'hybrid' HFS/Windows CD. A true hybrid CD has _two_ disk catalogs, one
HFS and the other ISO, pointing to the _same_ data track; what you have
here is a disk with one HFS session, and one ISO session: two catalogs,
two data tracks.
>
> Another problem with this second attempt CD was when I tried to
> duplicate it in a CD duplicator it only duped the Mac partition and not
> the Windows partition.
This is probably because all the duplicator was seeing was the first
session.
People here are throwing around 'ISO' as though it is interchangeable
with Windows Joliet and Romeo CD formats. They are _not_ the same thing
as ISO 9660 levels 1, 2 or 3! ISO Level 1 (8+3 ALL CAPS filenames) is
the only strict ISOformat either EZ CD or Toast use.
How do I know this? I tried to burn a LinuxPPC CD using a joliet format;
the installer doesn't recognize it. Anyone want a Linuxx PPC coaster?
ISO9660 levels 2 and 3 are more often known as ISO 9660 with Rockridge
extensions. There is overlap in the specifications of Joliet and ISO
but, in MicroSquishies inimitable fashion, they decided to rewrite the
standards _again_. Close but no ceegar.
AFAIK, the ONLY way to write true ISO 9660 disks with long filename
support is to use mkisofs or mkhfsfs, which are GNU disk image writing
tools. I'm sure there are other programs out there, but I have not heard
of them or found them. You should then be able to use these disk images
to burn with either EZ CD or Toast.
Both mkisofs and mkhfsfs are readily available, but they are strictly
command-line programs. There are graphical interfaces for these
programs, but all the ones I've seen are for various Linux windowing
systems, since these programs are the _only_ way to burn CD's under
Linux, and the only way to burn UNIX Cd's (ISO9660 + Rockridge). mkhfsfs
is the only way I know of to make 'tribryd' CD's, readable as HFS,
Joliet or ISO9660RR formats, ie: long filenames on all platforms.
This _is_ an annoying drawback of both Toast and EZ CD. Maybe Toast 4.0
(due any day now, I think) will address this problem.
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Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group
Subject: Re: [WinMac] More on cross platform CDs
From: "Changhsu P. Liu" <cpl874@optimum.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:12:38 -0500
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At 02:07 PM 8/4/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I've been following the thread about cross platform CDs and just
>yesterday tried to create one and was not entirely successful. I've
>made cross platform CDs before but not with long Win95 & NT filenames.
>
>Here's what I've did...
>
>First attempt: using Toast version 3.0.5 on the Mac I made a hybrid CD,
>HFS and ISO. The ISO side truncated the longer filenames but the Mac
>side was fine.
Did you choose Joliet from settings tab? I like Allow Mac Names better.
This way filenames on ISO9660 portion are not truncated on Mac. Maybe Toast
3.0.5 does not have Joliet as a selection. If so, either choose "Allow
Macintosh Names" or upgrade to Toast 3.5.6.
Toast is the easiest program to create hybrid CD, althought not as rich in
features as some PC programs (e.g., copy protection, etc...).
Hope this helps,
Changhsu Liu
Subject: Re: [WinMac] More on cross platform CDs
From: Tom Roth <tomroth@wfubmc.edu>
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:34:34 -0500
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> Tom Roth wrote:
> >
> >I've been following the thread about cross platform CDs and just
> >yesterday tried to create one and was not entirely successful. I've
> >made cross platform CDs before but not with long Win95 & NT filenames.
> >
> >Here's what I've did...
> >
> >First attempt: using Toast version 3.0.5 on the Mac I made a hybrid CD,
> >HFS and ISO. The ISO side truncated the longer filenames but the Mac
> >side was fine.
>
> Changhsu P. Liu replied:
> Did you choose Joliet from settings tab?
No such option exists in Toast 3.0.5 but it does in Easy CD Pro.
> I like Allow Mac Names better.
> This way filenames on ISO9660 portion are not truncated on Mac. Maybe Toast
> 3.0.5 does not have Joliet as a selection. If so, either choose "Allow
> Macintosh Names" or upgrade to Toast 3.5.6.
I'll try that "Allow Macintosh Names" as these files where created on a
Mac and the filenames are not all that long.
> Toast is the easiest program to create hybrid CD, althought not as rich in
> features as some PC programs (e.g., copy protection, etc...).
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Changhsu Liu
It's worth a shot!
thanks,
______________________________________________________________________
Tom Roth Wake Forest University School of Medicine
tomroth@wfubmc.edu Dept of Biomedical Communications
http://www.wfubmc.edu/biomed/ Medical Center Blvd
Tel 336.716.4493 Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1011
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Subject: Re: [WinMac] More on cross platform CDs
From: Tom Roth <tomroth@wfubmc.edu>
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:37:21 -0500
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> > Tom Roth wrote:
> > I've been following the thread about cross platform CDs and just
> > yesterday tried to create one and was not entirely successful. I've
> > made cross platform CDs before but not with long Win95 & NT filenames.
> >
> > Second attempt: I burned just the Mac HFS partition on Toast not closing
> > the disc and then took the CD to my WinNT machine that has a writable CD
> > and wrote the ISO partition there using Easy CD Pro 2.11. Is this
> > because Toast
> > didn't write the whole thing or because I didn't close the CD on the
> > Windows side? Or should I have written the Windows partition first and
> > then finished by writing and closing the disc in Toast?
> Bruce Johnson replies:
> It is because what you actually have here is a multisession CD, not a
> 'hybrid' HFS/Windows CD. A true hybrid CD has _two_ disk catalogs, one
> HFS and the other ISO, pointing to the _same_ data track; what you have
> here is a disk with one HFS session, and one ISO session: two catalogs,
> two data tracks.
>
> People here are throwing around 'ISO' as though it is interchangeable
> with Windows Joliet and Romeo CD formats. They are _not_ the same thing
> as ISO 9660 levels 1, 2 or 3! ISO Level 1 (8+3 ALL CAPS filenames) is
> the only strict ISOformat either EZ CD or Toast use.
I was beginning to suspect something like that.
> How do I know this? I tried to burn a LinuxPPC CD using a joliet format;
> the installer doesn't recognize it. Anyone want a Linuxx PPC coaster?
Ah, no thanks. I've got a few coasters of my own. ;)
> ISO9660 levels 2 and 3 are more often known as ISO 9660 with Rockridge
> extensions. There is overlap in the specifications of Joliet and ISO
> but, in MicroSquishies inimitable fashion, they decided to rewrite the
> standards _again_. Close but no ceegar.
> ...snip...
> This _is_ an annoying drawback of both Toast and EZ CD. Maybe Toast 4.0
> (due any day now, I think) will address this problem.
Thanks for the info Bruce. I'll be looking for Toast 4.
______________________________________________________________________
Tom Roth Wake Forest University School of Medicine
tomroth@wfubmc.edu Dept of Biomedical Communications
http://www.wfubmc.edu/biomed/ Medical Center Blvd
Tel 336.716.4493 Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1011
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