Re: [WinMac] Yes you can! [was:Re: record Mac CD using PC CDRW]

Bruce Johnson(johnson[at]Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU)
Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:25:32 -0500

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WinMac Digest #381 - Friday, July 30, 1999

  re: Filemaker vs. Access
          by "hharken" <hank.harken@asu.edu>
  MacaNTee with AppleShare IP 6.2
          by "Doug johnson" <auberge4@yahoo.com>
  Japanese text on PC (off topic?)
          by "Harrison, Stacey" <harrisos@bsci.com>
  Re: [WinMac] Japanese text on PC (off topic?)
          by "Leonard Rosenthol" <leonardr@lazerware.com>
  Re: [WinMac] Yes you can! [was:Re: record Mac CD using PC CDRW]
          by "Tony DeVito" <tonyd@interport.net>
  Re: [WinMac] re: Filemaker vs. Access
          by <mark.maytum@pompy.com>
  Macs in Win world query
          by "Geoffrey L. Herrera" <gherrera@concentric.net>
  Re: [WinMac] Yes you can! [was:Re: record Mac CD using PC CDRW]
          by "Welch, John C." <jwelch@aer.com>
  Re: [WinMac] Macs in Win world query
          by <mark.maytum@pompy.com>
  Re: [WinMac] Japanese text on PC (off topic?)
          by "Changhsu P. Liu" <cpl874@optimum.com>
  Re: [WinMac] Japanese text on PC (off topic?)
          by "Ken O'Neill" <koneill@U.Arizona.EDU>
  FileMaker vs. Access
          by "Blair, Hamish C" <hblair@kpmg.com.au>
  Mac-PC share a USB scanner?
          by "Curtis Wilcox" <cwcx@mail.rochester.edu>
  RE: [WinMac] Yes you can! [was:Re: record Mac CD using PC CDRW]
          by "Vincent Cayenne" <vin@audiophile.com>
  Re: [WinMac] Yes you can! [was:Re: record Mac CD using PC CDRW]
          by "Bruce Johnson" <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>

Subject: re: Filemaker vs. Access
From: hharken <hank.harken@asu.edu>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:39:37 -0500
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>Welp... it sounds like i have a lot of work ahead of me at this new
>job where i'm going to be trying to take a Filemaker database and make
>it into a SQL-based thing with (i suppose) an Access (and probably
>web) front-end. (Ugh, it's been *years* since i've done any DB stuff.
>Should be fun/interesting/a nightmare. :)

Or you might have the database up on the web next week if you
used Blueworld's Lasso with Filemaker.

http://www.blueworld.com/blueworld/default.html

>Is it because Filemaker is such a fine alternative (apparently *not*)
>or because anybody using a Mac is probably using it for something
>graphic, and not data-related, and hence wouldn't need it?

How about Fortune 500 companies and other large organizations that
want to get the work done and products out using databases
that get the work done for you.

http://www.blueworld.com/blueworld/products/lassosuccess.html

Lots of organizations use Macs and not just for graphics/publishing.
A "free" program isn't of much use if it won't do the job.

- Hank

(I don't work for or hold ownership in any technology company)

Subject: MacaNTee with AppleShare IP 6.2
From: Doug johnson <auberge4@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:39:39 -0500
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Has anyone tried MacaNTee with AppleShare IP 6.2 on an NT system? If
so I would like to correspond with you.

Doug

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Subject: Japanese text on PC (off topic?)
From: "Harrison, Stacey" <harrisos@bsci.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:39:40 -0500
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Does anyone out there know of a program that can convert Japanese text files
into editable text within Illustrator, Freehand or XPress on a PC?

We are currently using Apple's Japanese Language Kit on our Macs and
formatting via Illustrator, then importing into XPress documents. We will
soon be moving over to PC based systems running with NT (ahhhhh, corporate
america...) and I've yet to come across any programs that will work
similarly to the JLK on the PC. Usually the files are provided by our
translators as MS Word files.

Any ideas?

TIA

Stacey

Subject: Re: [WinMac] Japanese text on PC (off topic?)
From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:58:08 -0500
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At 8:39 PM -0500 7/29/99, Harrison, Stacey wrote:
>We are currently using Apple's Japanese Language Kit on our Macs and
>formatting via Illustrator, then importing into XPress documents. We will
>soon be moving over to PC based systems running with NT (ahhhhh, corporate
>america...) and I've yet to come across any programs that will work
>similarly to the JLK on the PC. Usually the files are provided by our
>translators as MS Word files.
>
Well, I can't help you on the XPress side - but ALL Adobe=20
products (Illustrator, Photoshop (etc.) and the new InDesign) are=20
100% compatible both x-platform and in all languages (esp. CJK -=20
Chinese, Japanese and Korean). So as long as you stick with Adobe=20
products, you're all set! (oh, and Word->InDesign works=20
beautifully, even in Japanese!)

Leonard

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Subject: Re: [WinMac] Yes you can! [was:Re: record Mac CD using PC CDRW]
From: "Tony DeVito" <tonyd@interport.net>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:49:52 -0500
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-----Original Message-----
From: Parker, Douglas <douglas.parker@lmco.com>
Date: Thursday, July 29, 1999 9:15 AM
Subject: RE: [WinMac] Yes you can! [was:Re: record Mac CD using PC CDRW]

>> Also, mkhybrid, and a related GNU program mkisofs only make disk images
>> > which then need to be burned to the cd via other software. (at least
>> > last time I looked they did.) Also, AFAIK, mkhybrid is the only tool
>> > available that will make Windows Joliet, Mac HFS _and_ higher ISO 9660
>> > level (I think it's 3 or 4) ie: long file names on each platform,
hybrid
>> > disks. EZ-CD creator and Toast only make ISO 9660 level 1 disks, which
>> > are restricted to 8+3 filenames.
>>
>Maybe if you're making a pure ISO 9660 CD, you get 8+3. But if you make a
>*hybrid* CD, you get max 31 character filenames on both platforms.
>
>Doug
>

Actually in Toast there is a settings page where you choose Windows Joliet
or dos filenames for your ISO partition and you select the Mac partition
settings separately. For a hybrid disk On the Mac toast allows you to create
an ISO volume from a folder while the Mac volume has to be created from a
separate volume or partition on your hard drive (zip or jazz disk etc. Toast
will even create a temporary partition on your hard drive for the Mac
Volume. Interestingly, both can be set up to autoplay on insertion.

I sometimes store info on HTML files written to CD for distribution. Anyone
got an elegant way to get the start page to autoplay on insertion regardless
of the browser on the machine? You can't just set up the index.htm file as
the autoplay run file, it has to be executable file and when it doesnt start
up it makes it difficult to open the CD from the disk image, confusing some
users. Perhaps a .bat file or something more elegant. Win2000 doesn't
support applescript does it? ;>)

Subject: Re: [WinMac] re: Filemaker vs. Access
From: mark.maytum@pompy.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:15:32 -0500
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Adding my 2 cents...

We run our 15M company (mostly) with Great Plains Dynamics SQL server. I
say mostly because we have a FMP based order entry and sales & cash
receipts database 340 fields wide with 5 related files that takes about
9-10K new records each month. It been running with nary a problem for
about 12 years now - however I should mention that this main database gets
archived & cloned no records once a year.

Even though the claim on the front of the lasso box ("Quickly tie your
filemaker databases to the web") is a *bit* of an exageration, it's been
*way* easier than trying to wrench GPD's order entry module to suit our
needs -

I'll admit FileMaker does have some limitations and problems (as I'm sure
our resident FMP geek would attest to). IMO the biggest problem is that FM
is single threaded which means you either have to have an array of
FileMaker clients for Lasso to hit (with round robin DNS) or you have to
live with Lasso constantly waiting for it's FM client to process each
*single* request. The former is pretty expensive (Small Dog Electronics
uses this method) the latter is just slow (we use this method :-))
Hopefully, FM 5 will take care of this. I've heard rumours to that effect
but...we'll see.

Anyway, if it has truly been *years* since you've done anything DB related,
you should certainly give FMP/Lasso a look-see - it's pretty powerful
stuff.

Mark Maytum
Pompanoosuc Mills Corporation

Or you might have the database up on the web next week if you
used Blueworld's Lasso with Filemaker.

http://www.blueworld.com/blueworld/default.html

How about Fortune 500 companies and other large organizations that
want to get the work done and products out using databases
that get the work done for you.

http://www.blueworld.com/blueworld/products/lassosuccess.html

Lots of organizations use Macs and not just for graphics/publishing.
A "free" program isn't of much use if it won't do the job.

Subject: Macs in Win world query
From: "Geoffrey L. Herrera" <gherrera@concentric.net>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:17:13 -0500
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I am about to begin a new job in an academic department in a nearly wholly
Wintel university. They are prepared to buy me a computer, but I'm a
long-term Mac user and have been warned to expect strong resistance. What
information should I be armed with in order to convince the powers that
decide that accepting a Mac into their midst won't be any trouble? I'm
capable of configuring TCP/IP settings and the like, but am generally
unfamiliar with more serious networking issues.

The building I'm in has standard ethernet ports with IP connections, but
the building also has a Novell Netware network (the first thing one sees
after booting a building computer is a Netware login prompt).

Any advice or recommendations most appreciated.

Geoff

Subject: Re: [WinMac] Yes you can! [was:Re: record Mac CD using PC CDRW]
From: "Welch, John C." <jwelch@aer.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:56:55 -0500
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Y'all are getting way to complicated for what you want to do. All you need
is a CDR utility that can do sector level copies. At that level, formatting
is irrelevant, and it works real well, because two weeks ago, I copied about
6 Mac CDs on a CDR hooked to a Compaq. No virtual HFS volumes, nada.
Sector-copied the CD, all six worked perfectly.

john

on Wed, Jul 28, 1999 5:51 PM, Bruce Johnson at johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU
wrote:

> Umm, that reminds me...there's also a freeware solution, though it's
> considerably rougher around the edges:
>
> (I got this from someone on the Info-Mac list...btw, has anyone gotten
> any Info-Mac digests recently? I haven't gotten one in a couple of
> weeks, and am wondering if I got bumped off the list for some reason...)
>
> "There has been a lot of interest in writing CD ROMs recently. I
> mentioned a GNU program that is available to write Mac HFS CD ROMs on a
> Windows machine, and several people asked for more details.
>
> The program is called mkhybrid, and can easily be found by doing an
> internet search on that keyword. It can be downloaded from the following
> URL, and the documentation is included in the downloadable file. There
> is also a UNIX version.
>
> <http://www.ps.ucl.ac.uk/~jcpearso/mkhybrid.html>
> "
> This was from Ian Goldby, ian@iangoldby.free-online.co.uk
>
> Note, neither Dans or this solution do what the original person wanted,
> which was to use a CD-R on a LAN as a local drive. Toast will not run
> unless it sees a CDR on the local scsi bus, at least the version that
> came with our CD writer at work...that was on a PC, and I took toast
> home to try to make a disk image I could then take into work on some
> other media and burn.
>
> Also, mkhybrid, and a related GNU program mkisofs only make disk images
> which then need to be burned to the cd via other software. (at least
> last time I looked they did.) Also, AFAIK, mkhybrid is the only tool
> available that will make Windows Joliet, Mac HFS _and_ higher ISO 9660
> level (I think it's 3 or 4) ie: long file names on each platform, hybrid
> disks. EZ-CD creator and Toast only make ISO 9660 level 1 disks, which
> are restricted to 8+3 filenames.
>
> Daniel L. Schwartz wrote:
>>
>> Found it!
>>
>> From <http://www.macwindows.com/Disks2.html>:
>> ----
>>
>> MacImage: <http://www.macdisk.com/macimgen.htm>
>>
>> A utility to enable you to create hybrid (HFS/ISO) or pure HFS Macintosh
>> CD-ROM from a PC. MacImage borrows a long-used technique from emulators and
>> coprocessor cards by creating a virtual Mac HFS partition in a PC file.
>> (Emulators and coprocessors use virtual FAT drives in a Mac file.) The
>> MacImage utility lets you move files between the virtual Mac partition and
>> Windows directories. When you have all the files you need, you can copy the
>> HFS partition onto the ISO partition or burn it as a pure HFS CD-ROM. (L &
>> SD has posted a MacImage tutorial in English and in French.)
>>
>> ----
>>
>> According to the info on the MacWindows site, it's 95/98 - No
>> mention of
>> NT. Most likely, it *should* work under NT as well, unless direct access is
>> required.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Dan
>>
>> At 11:31 AM 7/27/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>> At 9:14 AM -0400 7/27/99, Rosemary J. Hagen wrote:
>>>> We just purchased a Creative Labs CD-RW which works with Windows 95/98.
>>>> Will it be possible, over a Novell network for me to record Mac CDs using
>>>> this? Any advice on how?
>>>>
>>> Not to my knowledge! Since the PC doesn't know from all the
>>> funky stuff in HFS/HFS+, there isn't any way to burn a Mac CD from a
>>> PC.
>>>
>>> The only way that would work, but I don't recall being
>>> supported by anyone, would be a way to create an "image" on the Mac
>>> side and have it burned on the Wintel side.
>>>
>>>
>>> Leonard
>>
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Subject: Re: [WinMac] Macs in Win world query
From: mark.maytum@pompy.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:56:56 -0500
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Geoff,

Maybe this isn't the right answer and it runs contrary to the theme of the
list but maybe you really should consider switching rather than fighting. :
-)

If you're going into a *completely* homogenous Windows environment, the IT
department there might not be prepared to deal with any of the problems you
might encounter as a mac user. And you should make sure that you'll have
access to all the computing services you'll need with your mac - for
example, will you need to query a MS Access database or rely on some other
windows executable to do your daily biz? If you need to use strictly PC
applications, you'll need to find workarounds. If they use something other
than a standard POP3 or IMAP mailserver like Outlook or Notes you'll have
to hunt down and configure your own client software.

It may be that your new employer's IT dept really wants to provide you with
a positive and productive user experience (which they feel they can *best*
give you with some flavor of the Windows OS) or it may just be that they're
OS bigots fighting the holy war because they feel it more efficient to deal
with just one platform (very shortsighted IMHO). If it's the former, you
may convince them to try to help you out setting up the Netware client on
your mac and get you going with the apps you need (or maybe it's nothing
more than a web browser and a POP client). If it's the latter, it may be
rough sailing.

Mark Maytum
Pompanoosuc Mills Corporation

Any advice or recommendations most appreciated.

Geoff

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Subject: Re: [WinMac] Japanese text on PC (off topic?)
From: "Changhsu P. Liu" <cpl874@optimum.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:56:58 -0500
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>At 8:39 PM -0500 7/29/99, Harrison, Stacey wrote:
>>We are currently using Apple's Japanese Language Kit on our Macs and
>>formatting via Illustrator, then importing into XPress documents. We will
>>soon be moving over to PC based systems running with NT (ahhhhh, corporate
>>america...) and I've yet to come across any programs that will work
>>similarly to the JLK on the PC. Usually the files are provided by our
>>translators as MS Word files.

I don't know if it works for you, but I found I can read Chinese on
Win95/98 English System by installing Microsoft's language components. You
can find the download by choosing Windows Update from Tools menu in
Internet Explorer 5. I believe there're Chinese (traditional, simplified),
Korean, and Japanese components (and many others) there. They may have
input components there too, but I have never used it. Also, Office 2000
seems to be able to open documents in other languages very well.

Also check out:
http://www.njstar.com/
http://www.twinbridge.com/

With one of these two products, you can display and input Japanese (and
other Eastern Asia languages). They probably work better than MS's solution
since they have been in the market for a while.

Please keep us posted on your findings,

Regards,

Changhsu Liu
cpl874@optimum.com

Subject: Re: [WinMac] Japanese text on PC (off topic?)
From: "Ken O'Neill" <koneill@U.Arizona.EDU>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:56:59 -0500
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At 08:39 PM 7/29/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Does anyone out there know of a program that can convert Japanese text files
>into editable text within Illustrator, Freehand or XPress on a PC?
>
>We are currently using Apple's Japanese Language Kit on our Macs and
>formatting via Illustrator, then importing into XPress documents. We will
>soon be moving over to PC based systems running with NT (ahhhhh, corporate
>america...) and I've yet to come across any programs that will work
>similarly to the JLK on the PC. Usually the files are provided by our
>translators as MS Word files.
>
I've had much success using TwinBridge's software on Window's platforms.
Twinbridge's implementation of CJK standards permits doing word processing
under Windows, complete with handsome font packages, thereby side stepping
the S-JIS problem for nihongo. Once you've got your file looking final,
simply save it as a graphics file using a shareware package such as
Snapshot. The other option, which I used to do, consists of setting up a
dual boot system with System Commander, thereby running both English and
Japanese versions of Windows on the same platform, doing the edits and
typeset under the Japanese system, then exporting final files as graphics
objects to the English system; while cumbersome, it got me through the day
until TwinBridge came along.

Ken O'Neill

Subject: FileMaker vs. Access
From: "Blair, Hamish C" <hblair@kpmg.com.au> (by way of Marc Bizer)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:18:35 -0500
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One of the aspects I like about FileMaker Pro v 4.x is the web companion.
You can design a web page with the appropriate tags and easily pass through
data to the database. I understand that the FMP web companion is based on
Blue World's lasso technology.

http://www.blueworld.com/blueworld/default.html

Is it possible to build a solution using FMP and lasso to interact with an
ODBC database? Would anyone care to comment on how WebOjects fits into the
picture too.

Cheers
Hamish

Daryl wrote
> i just have one comment on this whole discussion though:
>
> Tim Scoff wrote:
> > MS Access just does not exist for the Mac and probably never will.
>
> To which Leonard replied:
> > As I understand it, it's a "never will". It's a combination
> > of market (ie. the Mac folks don't need it like Windows people do)
> > and also that they guts of Access are the JET DBEngine which is
> > optimized for Intel architecture.
>
> i understand that architecturally, Access being ported to the Mac is
> probably not possible, but why would Mac users not need a database
> application like the Windows people use?
>
> Is it because Filemaker is such a fine alternative (apparently *not*)
> or because anybody using a Mac is probably using it for something
> graphic, and not data-related, and hence wouldn't need it?
>
> Not a flame. It's just that assertion sounded kind of funny, and i
> was wondering what your reasoning was, Leonard. :}
>
> --
> Darryl Lee <lee@darryl.com> | New, yes. But improved?
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Subject: Mac-PC share a USB scanner?
From: Curtis Wilcox <cwcx@mail.rochester.edu>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:21:24 -0500
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Is it possible to give both a Mac and a PC access to a USB scanner
via a USB hub? I'm considering adding a flatbed scanner to a lab and
it would nice to be able to connect it to one of each at the same
time.

--
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Eastman School of Music       Pager: x12-3290

Subject: RE: [WinMac] Yes you can! [was:Re: record Mac CD using PC CDRW]
From: Vincent Cayenne <vin@audiophile.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:16:27 -0500
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At 9:15 AM -0400 7/29/99, Parker, Douglas wrote:
>>Also, mkhybrid, and a related GNU program mkisofs only make disk images
>>>which then need to be burned to the cd via other software. (at least
>>>last time I looked they did.) Also, AFAIK, mkhybrid is the only tool
>>>available that will make Windows Joliet, Mac HFS _and_ higher ISO 9660
>>>level (I think it's 3 or 4) ie: long file names on each platform, hybrid
>>>disks. EZ-CD creator and Toast only make ISO 9660 level 1 disks, which
>>>are restricted to 8+3 filenames.
>>
>Maybe if you're making a pure ISO 9660 CD, you get 8+3. But if you make a
>*hybrid* CD, you get max 31 character filenames on both platforms.
>
>Doug

And you've gotten this to work in EZ-CD Creator? When I've tried I 
get 31 char filenames in the Windows environment but only the 8+3 set 
when the same CD is read on a Mac. Can you give me some insight as to 
the settings you used in EZ-CD Creator?
Vincent Cayenne
<mailto:vin@audiophile.com>

"Crumpled bits of paper filled with imperfect thoughts"
(Rutherford/Robertson)

Subject: Re: [WinMac] Yes you can! [was:Re: record Mac CD using PC CDRW]
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:25:32 -0500
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EZ-CD Creator's idea of a 'hybrid' is data/music, not Mac/PC.
On a lark, since we have both Toast and EZ CD Creator here, I just made
a Toast Mac HFS CD image and burned a CD using EZ CD in the CD Image
mode using the Toast image file. I ended up with an, errr, _interesting_
audio CD. It'll be good for the Alien Radio Station FX ;-)

Vincent Cayenne wrote:
>
> At 9:15 AM -0400 7/29/99, Parker, Douglas wrote:

> >Maybe if you're making a pure ISO 9660 CD, you get 8+3. But if you make a
> >*hybrid* CD, you get max 31 character filenames on both platforms.
> >
> >Doug
>
> And you've gotten this to work in EZ-CD Creator? When I've tried I
> get 31 char filenames in the Windows environment but only the 8+3 set
> when the same CD is read on a Mac. Can you give me some insight as to
> the settings you used in EZ-CD Creator?

-- 
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group

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