iMac with Softwindows problem
George Strasser(George.Strasser[at]ping.be)
Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:51:37 -0400
WinMac Digest #379 - Wednesday, July 28, 1999
Re: [WinMac] MacWorld Expo Report - Something for everyone!
by "Stuart Munro" <smunro@eve.assumption.edu>
Re: screen shots
by "Jeff Johnson" <jjohnson@wi.net>
Re: [WinMac] MS Office differences between platforms (was: Re: [WinMac
by "Jeff Johnson" <jjohnson@wi.net>
Yes you can! [was:Re: record Mac CD using PC CDRW]
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Filemaker vs. Access
by "Darryl Lee" <lee@darryl.com>
Re: [WinMac] MS Office differences between platforms (was: Re:
by <cathyf@infocom.com>
Re: Keychain
by "Leonard Rosenthol" <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Re: [WinMac] MacWorld Expo Report - Something for everyone!
by "Bruce Johnson" <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
Re: [WinMac] Yes you can! [was:Re: record Mac CD using PC CDRW]
by "Bruce Johnson" <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
Mac PC networked games
by "John Lee" <jlee@avalon.net>
iMac with Softwindows problem
by "George Strasser" <George.Strasser@ping.be>
Subject: Re: [WinMac] MacWorld Expo Report - Something for everyone!
From: Stuart Munro <smunro@eve.assumption.edu>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:28:47 -0400
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On 7/25/99 at 10:44 PM -0400, Michael Bartosh <bartosh@apple.tamu.edu>
apparently wrote:
>>> MacOS STUFF:
>>>
>>> System 8.7 (Sonata) was renamed by Steve to "MacOS 9" That means we're
>>>going to have to pay $99 for this set of bug fixes.
>>
>>As Leonard Rosenthal said, it is a LOT more than bug fixes! (drat those
>>NDAs). Suffice it to say, $99 will not be a bad price for it.
>
>To hell w/ NDA's, there are several features that have been made
>public [snip] and finally there is a huge focus on
>security- from the encrypted keychain
Keychain is currently available? Where? I've checked the Apple update
site a few times and haven't been able to find it after it was rumored to
be a part of 8.6.
Stuart Munro
Subject: Re: screen shots
From: "Jeff Johnson" <jjohnson@wi.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:29:54 -0400
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Snapz Pro is the best Macintosh screen capture software I've used.
http://www.ambrosiasw.com/
>>Try this utility: Screen Capture found at:
>>http://www.nestsoft.com/download.html
> I personally prefer SnagIt myself for Windows screen captures
> - see <http://www.techsmith.com/>
Jeff Johnson
Technology Coordinator
Greendale School District
Greendale WI 53217
Subject: Re: [WinMac] MS Office differences between platforms (was: Re:
[WinMac]
From: "Jeff Johnson" <jjohnson@wi.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:29:58 -0400
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Interesting read comparing Access to Filemaker in the March 23, 1999 on-line
version of Computer Currents:
"The Un-Microsoft Office - Is there life without Microsoft?"
http://www.currents.net/magazine/national/1706/cov51706.html
>>> MS Access just does not exist for the Mac and probably never will
>>>
>>> Or you could buy Filemaker Pro for both platforms, actually
>>> get some cross-platform functionality, and get some work done.
>>>
>>> We use FM for both platforms here. Relational if you need it
>>> and the current versions read SQL. You don't have to be
>>> a computer geek to organize sophisticated datebases and your
>>> users achieve greater independence.
>>
>> There are five reasons why that is not a viable option for me and they
>> probably apply to many other businesses as well.
>>
>> The first one is pricing. MS Access is, "free" because it comes with
>> MS Office Pro. FileMaker Pro costs money above the basic cost of our
>> office productivity standard product. Yes the basic MS Office for the PC
>> costs less than MS Office Pro, however the perception is that Access is
>> free while FileMaker costs money and the perception is the reality.
>> The second one is Microsoft. We don't trust Microsoft to test the
>> next release of Windows with any other vendor's products completely,
>> especially competitor's products. We do believe that Microsoft would
>> release a new Service Pack which breaks their competitor's products and
>> then we would be in a situation where we don't have anything that works
>> because we chose not to use Microsoft's solutions. This may or may not be
>> true, however this has been brought up as a point in formal meetings where
>> we were deciding what products to use as our standards!
>> The third one is the fact that FileMaker only reads SQL, it can't
>> write to a SQL server and we're implementing MS SQL Server in the near
>> future. That means when we install SQL Server our default database
>> application won't be able to write to the databases that we store on it.
>> The fourth reason is because FileMaker is an Apple product. Apple's
>> public relations/marketing departments have made it extremely difficult to
>> be taken seriously if you suggest an Apple solution for anything in many
>> parts of corporate America. I happen to work in one of those organizations
>> where the attitude is, "get with the times, Apple's history." Apple is
>> improving their image, but it's going to take years for them to overcome
>> that stereotype.
>> The fifth reason is because, "everyone else is using Access."
>> Everyone else knows what's best so we're following the crowd.
>>
>> As for myself, I own and use FileMaker Pro 4.1 at home and when I do
>> consulting. It's just at work where Access is the only viable choice, and
>> only one of the reasons why it isn't a viable choice is technologically
>> based.
>>
>> Tim Scoff
>> casper@nb.net
>>
>> "Trust the computer industry to shorten "Year 2000" to Y2K. It was this
>> kind of thinking that caused the problem in the first place."
>
> --
> Jeff Johnson
> Technology Coordinator
> Greendale School District
> Greendale WI 53217
Subject: Yes you can! [was:Re: record Mac CD using PC CDRW]
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:30:04 -0400
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Found it!
From <http://www.macwindows.com/Disks2.html>:
----
MacImage: <http://www.macdisk.com/macimgen.htm>
A utility to enable you to create hybrid (HFS/ISO) or pure HFS Macintosh
CD-ROM from a PC. MacImage borrows a long-used technique from emulators and
coprocessor cards by creating a virtual Mac HFS partition in a PC file.
(Emulators and coprocessors use virtual FAT drives in a Mac file.) The
MacImage utility lets you move files between the virtual Mac partition and
Windows directories. When you have all the files you need, you can copy the
HFS partition onto the ISO partition or burn it as a pure HFS CD-ROM. (L &
SD has posted a MacImage tutorial in English and in French.)
----
According to the info on the MacWindows site, it's 95/98 - No
mention of
NT. Most likely, it *should* work under NT as well, unless direct access is
required.
Cheers!
Dan
At 11:31 AM 7/27/99 -0400, you wrote:
>At 9:14 AM -0400 7/27/99, Rosemary J. Hagen wrote:
>>We just purchased a Creative Labs CD-RW which works with Windows 95/98.
>>Will it be possible, over a Novell network for me to record Mac CDs using
>>this? Any advice on how?
>>
> Not to my knowledge! Since the PC doesn't know from all the
>funky stuff in HFS/HFS+, there isn't any way to burn a Mac CD from a
>PC.
>
> The only way that would work, but I don't recall being
>supported by anyone, would be a way to create an "image" on the Mac
>side and have it burned on the Wintel side.
>
>
>Leonard
Subject: Filemaker vs. Access
From: "Darryl Lee" <lee@darryl.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:29:27 -0400
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Welp... it sounds like i have a lot of work ahead of me at this new
job where i'm going to be trying to take a Filemaker database and make
it into a SQL-based thing with (i suppose) an Access (and probably
web) front-end. (Ugh, it's been *years* since i've done any DB stuff.
Should be fun/interesting/a nightmare. :)
i just have one comment on this whole discussion though:
Tim Scoff wrote:
> MS Access just does not exist for the Mac and probably never will.
To which Leonard replied:
> As I understand it, it's a "never will". It's a combination
> of market (ie. the Mac folks don't need it like Windows people do)
> and also that they guts of Access are the JET DBEngine which is
> optimized for Intel architecture.
i understand that architecturally, Access being ported to the Mac is
probably not possible, but why would Mac users not need a database
application like the Windows people use?
Is it because Filemaker is such a fine alternative (apparently *not*)
or because anybody using a Mac is probably using it for something
graphic, and not data-related, and hence wouldn't need it?
Not a flame. It's just that assertion sounded kind of funny, and i
was wondering what your reasoning was, Leonard. :}
--
Darryl Lee <lee@darryl.com> | New, yes. But improved? <http://www.darryl.com>
Subject: Re: [WinMac] MS Office differences between platforms (was: Re:
From: <cathyf@infocom.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:51:25 -0400
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> We don't trust Microsoft to test the
>next release of Windows with any other vendor's products completely,
>especially competitor's products. We do believe that Microsoft would
>release a new Service Pack which breaks their competitor's products and
>then we would be in a situation where we don't have anything that works
>because we chose not to use Microsoft's solutions.
I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who thinks that.... I replaced
the Office 98 icon on my mac with an icon of The Brain (of Pinky and the
Brain, if you don't know the reference you've been watching too few
cartoons lately) because The Brain (a genetically altered lab mouse),
like Office 98, is always "trying to take over the world"! To my
consternation, when I tried the Office98 uninstaller (so I could
reinstall properly with different configurations), even though Office98
was on a different partition it decided to wipe out my Word 5.1 folder
without even asking about it!!!! I had to reinstall Word 5.1, thank you
very much. That is NOT how mac programs are supposed to work.
In my experience also, even on the mac Microsoft products don't play well
with others (and probably run with scissors, too). To make matters worse,
they are just clunkier than other products. I don't think it's because
they are more complex, they just don't seem creative and elegant. It's
probably a company thing -- the way they run the company might attract
certain personality types, or else company policies may restrain people
from doing things the way they might if they were in a different
environment. The sheer size of Microsoft is probably an impediment to
creativity, I've noticed that tiny outfits often produce the best
software.
But undoubtedly poor company ethics comes into play also, since Microsoft
always seems to be trying to get rid of excellent programs by various
dubious practices -- either undercutting a small competitor as they did
with Netscape (giving IE away for free and trying to get big sites to
make themselves inaccessible to anything but IE), or buying up the
product and then demolishing it so everybody is forced to use their
crummy substitute. They're kind of the Wal-Mart of computer software.
Once the locally-owned businesses are pushed out because Wal-Mart can
take a loss for a while in one community, folks have no other choices. So
I do think it's possible that Microsoft would deliberately "break" other
products in their next Windows version.
And certainly they don't seem to have extensively tested for obvious
conflicts and bugs. As a matter of fact, simple bugs have survived from
version to version. I remember being astonished when I discovered that
the Glossary Greek kappa was still wrong (just an ordinary non-Greek k)
when I upgraded from Word 4 to Word 5.1 -- I had to redefine it again,
pasting in from the list of symbols. How in the world could they miss
that?
On a related note of cross platform compatibility -- Don't know how
helpful this is to your problems, but I've recently had great success on
my mac dealing with .tif faxes e-mailed to me by a Windows-based Austrian
colleague (he says he created them in Microsoft Exchange format) using
the shareware mac program GraphicConverter. I had previously tried to do
MacLink conversion, opening in Word 98 and simple graphics programs with
not much success (I always missed the second page of the faxes, for one
thing). I even tried opening them in my old WordPerfect 6/DOS in
VirtualPC, but the TIFF format was too different for the old WP to handle
properly. But GraphicConverter effortlessly opened the multi-page docs.
GraphicConverter also dealt wonderfully with a .jpg file a translation
client sent me -- although I had been able to open that one in JPEG
Viewer and print it, using GraphicConverter was much better for me
because I was able to increase the resolution up to 200 dpi so I could
run it through OmniPage Pro to ocr it. Presto change-o, I had a Spanish
text file that I could overwrite with the English translation!!!!
I know that GraphicConverter works with JFax docs also, since I found the
link to it on that site. Here is the url for GraphicConverter, there is a
30-day free trial period:
<htpp://www.lemkesoft.de>
Peace, Cathy Flick cathyf@infocom.com
Subject: Re: Keychain
From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:51:28 -0400
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At 9:28 AM -0400 7/28/99, Stuart Munro wrote:
>Keychain is currently available? Where? I've checked the Apple update
>site a few times and haven't been able to find it after it was rumored to
>be a part of 8.6.
>
The Keychain was originally going to be released with 8.5,=20
and then 8.6, but for a number of reasons has not shipped yet. It=20
has been announced as part of MacOS 9.
Leonard
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Subject: Re: [WinMac] MacWorld Expo Report - Something for everyone!
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:51:31 -0400
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Stuart Munro wrote:
>
fice it to say, $99 will not be a bad price for it.
> >
> >To hell w/ NDA's, there are several features that have been made
> >public [snip] and finally there is a huge focus on
> >security- from the encrypted keychain
>
> Keychain is currently available? Where? I've checked the Apple update
> site a few times and haven't been able to find it after it was rumored to
> be a part of 8.6
No, it's part of 8.7, ( now renamed OS 9...I guess Apple must have
settled any possible trademark infringement) and you only get it if
you're on the beta release list.
--
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Yes you can! [was:Re: record Mac CD using PC CDRW]
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:51:32 -0400
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Umm, that reminds me...there's also a freeware solution, though it's
considerably rougher around the edges:
(I got this from someone on the Info-Mac list...btw, has anyone gotten
any Info-Mac digests recently? I haven't gotten one in a couple of
weeks, and am wondering if I got bumped off the list for some reason...)
"There has been a lot of interest in writing CD ROMs recently. I
mentioned a GNU program that is available to write Mac HFS CD ROMs on a
Windows machine, and several people asked for more details.
The program is called mkhybrid, and can easily be found by doing an
internet search on that keyword. It can be downloaded from the following
URL, and the documentation is included in the downloadable file. There
is also a UNIX version.
<http://www.ps.ucl.ac.uk/~jcpearso/mkhybrid.html>
"
This was from Ian Goldby, ian@iangoldby.free-online.co.uk
Note, neither Dans or this solution do what the original person wanted,
which was to use a CD-R on a LAN as a local drive. Toast will not run
unless it sees a CDR on the local scsi bus, at least the version that
came with our CD writer at work...that was on a PC, and I took toast
home to try to make a disk image I could then take into work on some
other media and burn.
Also, mkhybrid, and a related GNU program mkisofs only make disk images
which then need to be burned to the cd via other software. (at least
last time I looked they did.) Also, AFAIK, mkhybrid is the only tool
available that will make Windows Joliet, Mac HFS _and_ higher ISO 9660
level (I think it's 3 or 4) ie: long file names on each platform, hybrid
disks. EZ-CD creator and Toast only make ISO 9660 level 1 disks, which
are restricted to 8+3 filenames.
Daniel L. Schwartz wrote:
>
> Found it!
>
> From <http://www.macwindows.com/Disks2.html>:
> ----
>
> MacImage: <http://www.macdisk.com/macimgen.htm>
>
> A utility to enable you to create hybrid (HFS/ISO) or pure HFS Macintosh
> CD-ROM from a PC. MacImage borrows a long-used technique from emulators and
> coprocessor cards by creating a virtual Mac HFS partition in a PC file.
> (Emulators and coprocessors use virtual FAT drives in a Mac file.) The
> MacImage utility lets you move files between the virtual Mac partition and
> Windows directories. When you have all the files you need, you can copy the
> HFS partition onto the ISO partition or burn it as a pure HFS CD-ROM. (L &
> SD has posted a MacImage tutorial in English and in French.)
>
> ----
>
> According to the info on the MacWindows site, it's 95/98 - No
> mention of
> NT. Most likely, it *should* work under NT as well, unless direct access is
> required.
>
> Cheers!
> Dan
>
> At 11:31 AM 7/27/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >At 9:14 AM -0400 7/27/99, Rosemary J. Hagen wrote:
> >>We just purchased a Creative Labs CD-RW which works with Windows 95/98.
> >>Will it be possible, over a Novell network for me to record Mac CDs using
> >>this? Any advice on how?
> >>
> > Not to my knowledge! Since the PC doesn't know from all the
> >funky stuff in HFS/HFS+, there isn't any way to burn a Mac CD from a
> >PC.
> >
> > The only way that would work, but I don't recall being
> >supported by anyone, would be a way to create an "image" on the Mac
> >side and have it burned on the Wintel side.
> >
> >
> >Leonard
>
> * Windows-MacOS Cooperation List *
--
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group
Subject: Mac PC networked games
From: "John Lee" <jlee@avalon.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:51:34 -0400
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Hello, I am reposting my question in hopes that it will get a
response now that macexpo is not going on, Thanks
I know this is a serious list, but I have questions
reguarding gameing. Should I use Dave or PC MacLan Pro. Does it make
a differance if I am playing old games like Doom 2 or newer games
like Myth 2. I have a Two Mac one PC ether network set up using PC
MacLan Pro and can access the macs from the pc but can not access the
PC from the mac to move files. I hope that I did not fail to read an
all inclusive FAQ that explains all of this, that I was to read prior
to posting. Or if this is not the forum to ask network game issues,
let me know and I am sorry for the post, Thanks in advance for any
help.
John Lee 8-)
Subject: iMac with Softwindows problem
From: George Strasser <George.Strasser@ping.be>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:51:37 -0400
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Dear Geoff,
You were lucky to make SoftWindows 4 work with OS 8.5. After upgrading a
Performa 6400 to 8.5 my SoftWindows 4 did not want to cooperate anymore...
On top of that service for SoftWindows including the possibility to get
hold of an upgrade seems to be non-existent in Europe. Has anybody an idea
what to do?
George Strasser
>Any way, installed Softwindows 4 when it had 8.5 and all was OK,
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