RE: [WinMac] MS Office differences between platforms (was: Re:


John Nurick(jnurick[at]lrconsulting.co.uk)
Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:58:47 -0400


WinMac Digest #378 - Tuesday, July 27, 1999

  Re: [WinMac] How I can get screen shots?
          by "Darron Spohn" <dspohn@clicknet.com>
  Asset management/network updating
          by "Owen Watson" <owen@rsnz.govt.nz>
  MS Office differences between platforms (was: Re: [WinMac]
          by "hharken" <hank.harken@asu.edu>
  RE: iMac with Softwindows problem
          by "hharken" <hank.harken@asu.edu>
  Re: [WinMac] How I can get screen shots?
          by "Willy Rivet" <wrivet@qouest.net>
  Re: [WinMac] How I can get screen shots?
          by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
  record Mac CD using PC CDRW
          by "Rosemary J. Hagen" <rjw@eos.net>
  RE: How I can get screen shots?
          by "Parker, Douglas" <douglas.parker@lmco.com>
  Re: [WinMac] How I can get screen shots?
          by "Leonard Rosenthol" <leonardr@lazerware.com>
  Re: [WinMac] MS Office differences between platforms (was: Re: [WinMac]
          by "Tim Scoff" <tscoff@pitt.edu>
  Re: [WinMac] Asset management/network updating
          by "Welch, John C." <jwelch@aer.com>
  Re: [WinMac] RE: How I can get screen shots?
          by "Darron Spohn" <dspohn@clicknet.com>
  Re: [WinMac] How I can get screen shots?
          by "Leonard Rosenthol" <leonardr@lazerware.com>
  Re: [WinMac] How I can get screen shots?
          by "Leonard Rosenthol" <leonardr@lazerware.com>
  Re: [WinMac] record Mac CD using PC CDRW
          by "Leonard Rosenthol" <leonardr@lazerware.com>
  RE: [WinMac] RE: How I can get screen shots?
          by "John Nurick" <jnurick@lrconsulting.co.uk>
  RE: [WinMac] MS Office differences between platforms (was: Re: [W inMac]
          by "John Nurick" <jnurick@lrconsulting.co.uk>

Subject: Re: [WinMac] How I can get screen shots?
From: "Darron Spohn" <dspohn@clicknet.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:13:56 -0400
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> Use "Print Screen" to capture a full screen, or "Alt-Print Screen" to
> capture active windows. Then, open your favorite application and
> click "Paste". The image will appear. I think the file format is
> bitmap.
>

One more trick. If you're using PhotoShop, resize the image in PhotoShop
to fit your page layout, then apply an Unsharp Mask using these
settings:

Amount: 25 percent
Radius: 1.0 pixels (sic)
Threshold: 1 levels (sic)

This is a good compromise to provide better legibility when printed.
Save the file as a PhotoShop EPS (not a bitmap) for faster Postscript
processing and printing. Makes for smaller Postscript files, saving you
money when going to a Postscript RIP, and saving headaches when creating
PDF files.

Windows NT needs all the help it can get when dealing with Postscript.
Just one reason we document our software using Macs and Virtual PC. NT
will install on VPC as long as you don't need Service Pack 4.

If anyone knows any tricks for getting SP 4 running on VPC I'd be happy
to hear them.

--

Darron Spohn Publications Manager ClickNet Software Corp. San Jose, CA 95131 408.576.5952 http://www.clicknet.com

"You can't depend on your eyes if your imagination is out of focus." Mark Twain

Subject: Asset management/network updating From: Owen Watson <owen@rsnz.govt.nz> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:14:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

I'm looking at netOctopus for doing the above tasks in a cross-platform environment. Has anyone used it or other programs and can give pointers to what worth's buying?

.......................................................................... Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand Internet watson.o@rsnz.govt.nz Ph: +64 4 472 7421 Fax: +64 4 473 1841 The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/

Subject: MS Office differences between platforms (was: Re: [WinMac] From: hharken <hank.harken@asu.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:14:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

>MS Access just does not exist for the Mac and probably never will

Or you could buy Filemaker Pro for both platforms, actually get some cross-platform functionality, and get some work done.

We use FM for both platforms here. Relational if you need it and the current versions read SQL. You don't have to be a computer geek to organize sophisticated datebases and your users achieve greater independence.

- Hank

Subject: RE: iMac with Softwindows problem From: hharken <hank.harken@asu.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:14:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

>The solution is rather simple: update SoftWindows to the latest=20 >version. I did and it runs flawlessly in my Tangerine iMac.

Check the Connectix web site for a FREE updater.

- Hank

Subject: Re: [WinMac] How I can get screen shots? From: "Willy Rivet" <wrivet@qouest.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:14:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

Try this utility: Screen Capture found at:

http://www.nestsoft.com/download.html

William Rivet tech support Qouest.net

Subject: Re: [WinMac] How I can get screen shots? From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:14:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

Aw shucks! This one goes all the way back to the 128k Mac: Command-Shift-3

BTW, Command-Shift-4 captures the active window!

At 05:14 PM 7/26/99 -0400, Darryl wrote: >Well, you hold down the Apple (Command) and Shift keys while hitting >F3. Oh, no, wait... hehehe...

Cheers! Dan

Subject: record Mac CD using PC CDRW From: "Rosemary J. Hagen" <rjw@eos.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:14:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

We just purchased a Creative Labs CD-RW which works with Windows 95/98. Will it be possible, over a Novell network for me to record Mac CDs using this? Any advice on how?

Thank you for your time and help.

Rosemary

********************************** Rosemary J. Hagen rjw@eos.net **********************************

Subject: RE: How I can get screen shots? From: "Parker, Douglas" <douglas.parker@lmco.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:14:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

Do your screen capture in black and white, not color.

Go to your Display control panel and set your display settings to High Contrast White. This will set your screen colors to black and white. Then if you import your screen shots into PhotoShop or some other image editor, you can compress the image size by removing color information (setting the image mode to bitmap). Regardless of number of images you intend to put in your user guide, you'll have a *much* smaller document to carry around or send to a printer at the end of your task. I've seen MS Word created user guides that are 2-3MB huge due to the large number of color screen captures. It just doesn't make sense to have the color--you're going to be sending it to a black and white printer anyway!

If you do the screen capture in color and then reduce it to black and white, you risk having colors map to white on white or black on black in some areas, whereas the High Contrast White setting is designed to prevent that from the beginning.

Doug

> ---------- > > i need to make a new user guide, but I need some screen shots of my NT > machine. How I can make screen shots or better only active windows shots > on Win NT? >

Subject: Re: [WinMac] How I can get screen shots? From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@lazerware.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:14:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

At 3:55 PM -0400 7/26/99, help wrote: >i need to make a new user guide, but I need some screen shots of my NT >machine. How I can make screen shots or better only active windows shots >on Win NT? > Use the Print Screen button on your keyboard!=20 Shift-PrintScreen will capture just the current window.

Leonard

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Subject: Re: [WinMac] MS Office differences between platforms (was: Re: [WinMac] From: Tim Scoff <tscoff@pitt.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:31:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

--On Tuesday, July 27, 1999, 9:14 AM -0400 hharken <hank.harken@asu.edu> wrote:r

> >> MS Access just does not exist for the Mac and probably never will > > Or you could buy Filemaker Pro for both platforms, actually > get some cross-platform functionality, and get some work done. > > We use FM for both platforms here. Relational if you need it > and the current versions read SQL. You don't have to be > a computer geek to organize sophisticated datebases and your > users achieve greater independence.

There are five reasons why that is not a viable option for me and they probably apply to many other businesses as well.

The first one is pricing. MS Access is, "free" because it comes with MS Office Pro. FileMaker Pro costs money above the basic cost of our office productivity standard product. Yes the basic MS Office for the PC costs less than MS Office Pro, however the perception is that Access is free while FileMaker costs money and the perception is the reality. The second one is Microsoft. We don't trust Microsoft to test the next release of Windows with any other vendor's products completely, especially competitor's products. We do believe that Microsoft would release a new Service Pack which breaks their competitor's products and then we would be in a situation where we don't have anything that works because we chose not to use Microsoft's solutions. This may or may not be true, however this has been brought up as a point in formal meetings where we were deciding what products to use as our standards! The third one is the fact that FileMaker only reads SQL, it can't write to a SQL server and we're implementing MS SQL Server in the near future. That means when we install SQL Server our default database application won't be able to write to the databases that we store on it. The fourth reason is because FileMaker is an Apple product. Apple's public relations/marketing departments have made it extremely difficult to be taken seriously if you suggest an Apple solution for anything in many parts of corporate America. I happen to work in one of those organizations where the attitude is, "get with the times, Apple's history." Apple is improving their image, but it's going to take years for them to overcome that stereotype. The fifth reason is because, "everyone else is using Access." Everyone else knows what's best so we're following the crowd.

As for myself, I own and use FileMaker Pro 4.1 at home and when I do consulting. It's just at work where Access is the only viable choice, and only one of the reasons why it isn't a viable choice is technologically based.

Tim Scoff casper@nb.net

"Trust the computer industry to shorten "Year 2000" to Y2K. It was this kind of thinking that caused the problem in the first place."

Subject: Re: [WinMac] Asset management/network updating From: "Welch, John C." <jwelch@aer.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:31:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

I use it daily, and have for the past 2 years, thorough 3 owners of the product. It is absolutely fantastic, and in a lot of ways, second to none, esp. with the SNMP support in the upcoming version, 3.5

john

Owen Watson wrote: > > I'm looking at netOctopus for doing the above tasks in a > cross-platform environment. Has anyone used it or other programs and > can give pointers to what worth's buying? > > .......................................................................... > Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand > Internet watson.o@rsnz.govt.nz Ph: +64 4 472 7421 Fax: +64 4 473 1841 > The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/ > > * Windows-MacOS Cooperation List *

Subject: Re: [WinMac] RE: How I can get screen shots? From: "Darron Spohn" <dspohn@clicknet.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:31:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

> Do your screen capture in black and white, not color. >

Doug,

You're assuming print-only reproduction.

We use FrameMaker to produce our printed documentation, as well as PDF files for those who like to work onscreen with hyperlink cross-references. Color looks much better on screen than does black-and-white. And if we decide to make our documentation available on the Internet, it is simple to export FrameMaker documents as HMTL (yes, this actually works in version 5.5). The HTML still needs a little cleanup in a text editor, but not much if you've set up the reference page properly.

> you can compress the image size by removing color > information (setting the image mode to bitmap)

As I stated in my previous reply, save your screen shots as EPS files. Bitmaps take forever to raster in a Postscript RIP, and greatly increase processing time when converting to PDF. Postscript files also compress nicely when converting to PDF, unlike bitmaps Get enough bitmaps in your document (or god forbid use high-resolution bitmaps) and you'll have problems printing them to a Postscript RIP. This is one reason service bureaus charge more for Windows files than for Macintosh files; they simply have fewer problems with Mac files, partially because Mac users have been at this longer, made all those mistakes already, and know how to set up files for proper printing. Don't embed bitmaps in your documents. If you do you'll get bit in the ass eventually.

> I've seen MS Word created user guides >that are 2-3MB huge

Microsoft Word for a user guide? It is overkill as a word processor and woefully inadequate as a document publishing application. You're not one of those who publishes 80-page PDF files with no Table of Contents on the left of the window and no hyperlinks in the traditional TOC and Index are you?

We regularly create 300-page user guides that total 30-40MB with screen shots, and we have no problems printing them. I'm going to say this one more time: Do not embed bitmaps in your documents.

--

Darron Spohn Publications Manager ClickNet Software Corp. San Jose, CA 95131 408.576.5952 http://www.clicknet.com

"You can't depend on your eyes if your imagination is out of focus." Mark Twain

Subject: Re: [WinMac] How I can get screen shots? From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@lazerware.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:31:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

At 9:14 AM -0400 7/27/99, Willy Rivet wrote: >Try this utility: Screen Capture found at: > >http://www.nestsoft.com/download.html > I personally prefer SnagIt myself for Windows screen captures=20 - see <http://www.techsmith.com/>

Leonard

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Subject: Re: [WinMac] How I can get screen shots? From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@lazerware.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:31:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

At 9:14 AM -0400 7/27/99, Daniel L. Schwartz wrote: > Aw shucks! This one goes all the way back to the 128k Mac: >Command-Shift-3 > > BTW, Command-Shift-4 captures the active window! > Only on System 8 and later - on Sys7 (and earlier) it sends the screen to the printer.

Leonard

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Subject: Re: [WinMac] record Mac CD using PC CDRW From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@lazerware.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:31:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

At 9:14 AM -0400 7/27/99, Rosemary J. Hagen wrote: >We just purchased a Creative Labs CD-RW which works with Windows 95/98. >Will it be possible, over a Novell network for me to record Mac CDs using >this? Any advice on how? > Not to my knowledge! Since the PC doesn't know from all the funky stuff in HFS/HFS+, there isn't any way to burn a Mac CD from a PC.

The only way that would work, but I don't recall being supported by anyone, would be a way to create an "image" on the Mac side and have it burned on the Wintel side.

Leonard

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Subject: RE: [WinMac] RE: How I can get screen shots? From: John Nurick <jnurick@lrconsulting.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:58:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

> Do your screen capture in black and white, not color. > Go to your Display control panel and set your display settings to High > Contrast White. This will set your screen colors to black and > white.

Even if the manual's going to be in colour you can reduce the file size by setting the monitor to 256 color rather than 16 or 24 bit before doing the screenshots.

John

Subject: RE: [WinMac] MS Office differences between platforms (was: Re: [W inMac] From: John Nurick <jnurick@lrconsulting.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:58:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

Filemaker certainly beats Access for easy ad hoc databasery, but is (or was a few months ago) well behind when it comes to heavy relational stuff and integration with Office apps.

> -----Original Message----- > From: hharken [mailto:hank.harken@asu.edu] > Sent: 27 July 1999 14:14 > To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list > Subject: [WinMac] MS Office differences between platforms (was: Re: > [WinMac] > > > > >MS Access just does not exist for the Mac and probably never will > > Or you could buy Filemaker Pro for both platforms, actually > get some cross-platform functionality, and get some work done. > > We use FM for both platforms here. Relational if you need it > and the current versions read SQL. You don't have to be > a computer geek to organize sophisticated datebases and your > users achieve greater independence.

* Windows-MacOS Cooperation List *



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