Re: [WinMac] How I can get screen shots?

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WinMac Digest #377 - Monday, July 26, 1999

  MS Office differences between platforms (was: Re: [WinMac] MacWorld Expo
          by "Tim Scoff" <casper@nb.net>
  MS Office differences between platforms (was: Re: [WinMac] MacWorld Expo
          by "Tim Scoff" <casper@nb.net>
  Re: [WinMac] MacWorld Expo Report - Something for everyone!
          by "Michael bartosh" <bartosh@apple.tamu.edu>
  Cobalt Qubes and Raqs
          by "Darryl Lee" <lee@darryl.com>
  Re: iMac with Softwindows problem
          by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
  RE: iMac with Softwindows problem
          by "Omar Chávez" <OmarChavez@fliteline.usa.com>
  Re: MS Office differences between platforms (was: Re: MacWorld Expo Rep
          by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
  RE: [WinMac] PC replacement keyboard
          by "John Nurick" <jnurick@lrconsulting.co.uk>
  Re: [WinMac] Re: Cross platform CD tutorial
          by "Rosemary J. Hagen" <rjw@eos.net>
  Re: MS Office differences between platforms
          by "Marc Bizer" <mlbizer@mail.utexas.edu>
  Tar as a backup solution (was Re: [WinMac] MacWorld Expo Report)
          by "Leonard Rosenthol" <leonardr@lazerware.com>
  Re: photoshop 5.5
          by "Leonard Rosenthol" <leonardr@lazerware.com>
  Re: MS Office differences between platforms
          by "Leonard Rosenthol" <leonardr@lazerware.com>
  Re: [WinMac] Cross platform CD tutorial
          by "Changhsu P. Liu" <cpl874@optimum.com>
  Re: [WinMac] Re: Cross platform CD tutorial
          by "Paul Kaiser" <buddy@effingham.net>
  How I can get screen shots?
          by "help" <help@a-dsp.com>
  Re: [WinMac] How I can get screen shots?
          by "Christopher Schobert" <cschobert@fcb.com>
  Re: [WinMac] How I can get screen shots?
          by "Darryl Lee" <lee@darryl.com>

Subject: MS Office differences between platforms (was: Re: [WinMac]
MacWorld Expo Report - Something for everyone!)
From: Tim Scoff <casper@nb.net>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:43:08 -0400
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>> MICROSOFT:
>>
>> 1) Outlook client for Exchange: Currently, the MacOS
>>version is at 8.2,
>> with improved stability. It is available for download from Microsoft's FTP
>> site, or on a separate CD. The Mac group is going to an independent release
>> schedule - If they happen to fall with the Exchange Server Service Pack CD
>> distribution, the CD's will be shipped together.
>>
>> A new version of Outlook will be shipped in about six months,
>>FINALLY
>> matching up with it's 95/NT counterpart with full support for scheduling
>> features.
>
>Cool, ONLY 4 - 5 years to do this...MS is getting lazy again. (note, I
>mean the MS windows folks, which unfortunately seem to control the Mac
>Exchange client. This really needs to get put under Ben Waldeman's group
>and fast!)

This is one of my biggest problems with Microsoft's products,
especially MS Office. The features are different between the two
platforms, and in some cases the file formats are different also preventing
cross platform offices who standardize on MS Office/Back Office from being
able to seamlessly share everything with everyone in their office.

If you buy MS Office for the Mac you can not get MS Outlook or MS
Access. MS Outlook is a much more full featured client than MS Outlook
Express is, and it just isn't available unless you have an Exchange server.
And the Outlook Client for the Mac will ONLY work with Exchange Server.
You can not use it to access your Exchange mailboxes and your POP/IMAP
account at the same time. You can use MS Outlook for the PC to access your
Exchange server and a large number of other mail servers at the same time.
MS Access just does not exist for the Mac and probably never will.

MSIE 4.5 for the Mac has a wonderful self repair feature and a
great auto fill feature for filling in web forms. MSIE 5.0 for the PC has
a half baked auto fill feature and it doesn't have the self repair feature
that the Mac version has.

I would really love to see MS's products on both platforms match
each other a little bit more in functionality and usability. I use both
platforms at work on a daily basis and having to remember what is different
on the two different platforms when I'm using the same program is a pain.
Especially when there are features on both versions of MS Office that I
would like to be able to use on both platforms, not just one or the other.
Tim Scoff, MCSE
casper@nb.net
<http://www.nb.net/~casper/>

Microsoft Windows NT 4.0. The world's only fully buzzword compliant
Operating System.

Subject: Re: [WinMac] MacWorld Expo Report - Something for everyone!
From: Michael bartosh <bartosh@apple.tamu.edu>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:44:00 -0400
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>>
>> MacOS STUFF:
>>
>> System 8.7 (Sonata) was renamed by Steve to "MacOS 9" That means we're
>>going to have to pay $99 for this set of bug fixes.
>
>As Leonard Rosenthal said, it is a LOT more than bug fixes! (drat those
>NDAs). Suffice it to say, $99 will not be a bad price for it.

To hell w/ NDA's, there are several features that have been made
public- the roaming profile/ secure multi user login being one-
Sherlock II being another- and finally there is a huge focus on
security- from the encrypted keychain (using an elyptical algorithm
produced at Apple) to the already released w/ netboot encryption tool.

Wish this could go out to all the other places that list went...

Subject: Cobalt Qubes and Raqs
From: "Darryl Lee" <lee@darryl.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:44:03 -0400
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Dan and Leonard wrote:
> > COBALT:
> >
> > ISP's, take note: Their new RaQ line is ideally suited for you with
> >limited space with their 1U rack height. They got high marks just this
> >Wednesday from Ziff-Davis.
>
> And they look REALLY cool sitting on a desk ;).
>
> Quick synopsis - it's a neat looking blue cube (maybe a foot
> square) that contains a full featured MIPS-based Linux box that comes
> preconfigured with Apache, FTP, mail, etc. All config is via a
> browser.

The desktop cube is their Qube product. The rack-mounted models are
the RaQs...

And yes, they *look* cool, and from what i've saw of them at the last
LinuxWorld, they *perform* great too.

URL: http://www.cobaltnet.com/

--D

Subject: Re: iMac with Softwindows problem
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:45:51 -0400
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MacOS 8.6 requires some apps to use more RAM due to it's VM microkernel
architecture. Try turning OFF virtual memory; and also increasing the
memory allocation in the Get Info box -> Memory popup. Also, please set the
minimum and preferred memory size the same, at least 1 MB more than the
suggested size; preferably many megabytes more.

[note from the moderator: MacOS 8.6 has a new *nanokernel*, but this
should not influence the RAM used by apps unless they make calls to
the multiprocessing API].

At 09:14 AM 7/25/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear List,
>
>I have a lovely Blueberry 333 iMac and with its 160mb of RAM really motors.
>
>Any way, installed Softwindows 4 when it had 8.5 and all was OK, I have now
>updated to 8.6 and Softwindows will not run, just bet that Windows 95 bit
>that appears just after what I presume is a bit of DOS, the blue shading
>moves across the bottom of its virtual screen, but no windows desktop.
>
>Does anybody have any ideas how to sort this out, I don't really want to
>spend money updating to SoftWindows 98, or moving back to 8.5.
>
>Any suggestions most welcome.

Subject: RE: iMac with Softwindows problem
From: Omar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ch=E1vez?= <OmarChavez@fliteline.usa.com> (by
way of Marc Bizer)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:26:40 -0400
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Geoff,

The solution is rather simple: update SoftWindows to the latest=20
version. I did and it runs flawlessly in my Tangerine iMac.

BTW, I'm running MacOS 8.6, Windows 95, Windows 98 and Windows NT=20
SERVER 4.0 in this iMac (plus Virtual Game Station). Talk about=20
versatility and split personalities. :-)

Cheers,

Omar Ch=E1vez
Director of Technical Services
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=46rom: Geoff Cross
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 9:14 AM
Subject: iMac with Softwindows problem

Dear List,

I have a lovely Blueberry 333 iMac and with its 160mb of RAM really motors.

Any way, installed Softwindows 4 when it had 8.5 and all was OK, I have now
updated to 8.6 and Softwindows will not run, just bet that Windows 95 bit
that appears just after what I presume is a bit of DOS, the blue shading
moves across the bottom of its virtual screen, but no windows desktop.

Does anybody have any ideas how to sort this out, I don't really want to
spend money updating to SoftWindows 98, or moving back to 8.5.

Any suggestions most welcome.

Subject: Re: MS Office differences between platforms (was: Re: MacWorld
Expo Report - Something for everyone!)
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:26:08 -0400
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Tim,

They're damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
Personally, I would
prefer if the Micros~1 products developed on similar, but not identical,
paths. Yes, this will result in sometimes more features on the Mac, and
sometimes more on Win32; but the alternative is the Word 6.0 fiasco.

BTW, the self-repairing you talk about in Internet Exploder
4.5 is going
to be *somewhat* duplicated in W2k, with DLL lockdown.

Given the mess that both Apple and Microsoft's OS strategy is
in (MacOS 8
& X; DOS-based Win 98 & NT-based NT4 & W2k), I'll just settle for stable
products... On both platforms! After all, "features" aren't worth a damn if
they cherry-bomb or Blue Screen Of Death the machine!

At 10:43 PM 7/25/99 -0400, Tim wrote:
[snip]
>
> I would really love to see MS's products on both platforms match
>each other a little bit more in functionality and usability. I use both
>platforms at work on a daily basis and having to remember what is different
>on the two different platforms when I'm using the same program is a pain.
>Especially when there are features on both versions of MS Office that I
>would like to be able to use on both platforms, not just one or the other.
>Tim Scoff, MCSE
>casper@nb.net
><http://www.nb.net/~casper/>
>
>Microsoft Windows NT 4.0. The world's only fully buzzword compliant
>Operating System.
>

------

Subject: RE: [WinMac] PC replacement keyboard
From: John Nurick <jnurick@lrconsulting.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:26:18 -0400
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I can't help much as I use a laptop, but this appeared in Woody's Office
Watch recently (No. 4.30) http://www.woodyswatch.com/wow/

   IT'S ALL IN (ER, ON) YOUR HEAD ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Every so often - like, once in a blue moon - I bump into a
   product that works so well, I can't imagine living without
   it. In several of my books I've talked about how to find a
   good quality, heavy-duty office chair: if you spend a lot
   of time sitting in front of your PC, like I do, a good
   chair is worth its weight in gold. I also swear by the
   Avant Stellar keyboard, the legitimate successor to the
   almighty Northgate keyboard. (Yep, one of these puppies
   will set you back US $200 - and the ordering process is,
   ahem, a bit convoluted - but the keyboard rocks.
   http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/hardware/omnikey/index.html

HTH

John

Subject: Re: [WinMac] Re: Cross platform CD tutorial
From: "Rosemary J. Hagen" <rjw@eos.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:26:21 -0400
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We're buying a CDRW from Creative Labs for our PC. We're going to be
setting up a Novell network to connect my Mac to it all. Can I use Toast
to write from the Mac?

Rosemary

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Subject: Re: MS Office differences between platforms
From: Marc Bizer <mlbizer@mail.utexas.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:56:07 -0400
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On 7/26/99 at 9:00 AM -0400, Leonard Rosenthol wrote:
> I agree, but MS has decided that they can better serve the
>Mac community by keeping development of the Mac products segregated
>from the Wintel versions, so as not to get into the problems they
>used to have when they DID use common code (and such).

It's my understanding that the 24-month development cycles of the
Windows and Mac are offset by one year to allow each
platform-specific team to use the already-existing code and improve
upon it. I believe that there's a lot of code common to both Office97
for Windows and Office98 for the Mac...

--Marc

Subject: Tar as a backup solution (was Re: [WinMac] MacWorld Expo Report)
From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:52:14 -0400
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At 10:49 PM -0400 7/23/99, Michael bartosh wrote:
>Cron, tar, gzip and dump are excellent back up methods that are very=20
>much accepted and used in the Unix community.

tar works, but just barely as a backup solution. The "just=20
barely" part is that it doesn't really support hierarchies (one of=20
the problems I have with ZIP as well) and that it doesn't support=20
maintaining file "attributes" (locked, etc.) or permissions.

And this is ONLY dealing with UFS disks. Think about a=20
situation like OS X, where you can not only have UFS volumes mounted=20
but HFS, HFS+, FAT/FAT32, etc.

Leonard

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Subject: Re: photoshop 5.5
From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:52:23 -0400
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At 10:11 PM -0400 7/25/99, Alex Dearden wrote:
> > Or you are doing Web graphics! ImageReady 2.0 (now bundled
>>with PS) is a MAJOR update in terms of power and features for
>>creating top-notch web graphics. If you do web stuff, and already
>>own/use either PS or ImageReady - UPGRADE!
>
>I use both photoshop 5 and Imageready 1.0 (haven't seen any newer
>version's on Adobe's site for Imageready).

ImageReady is no longer a stand-alone product, it's now only
available as part of Photoshop.

>If I already have Imageready
>and the only MAIN difference to photoshop 5.5 is Imageready, why should I
>upgrade? Are there any benefits I don't know about?
>
Because it's a MAJOR upgrade to ImageReady, version 2.0. It
features all sorts of very useful features - multiple n-up viewing,
javascript rollovers, multiple export formats, extended slicing, etc.
See Adobe's web site for details.

Leonard

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Subject: Re: MS Office differences between platforms
From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:56:04 -0400
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At 10:43 PM -0400 7/25/99, Tim Scoff wrote:
> This is one of my biggest problems with Microsoft's products,
>especially MS Office. The features are different between the two
>platforms, and in some cases the file formats are different also preventing
>cross platform offices who standardize on MS Office/Back Office from being
>able to seamlessly share everything with everyone in their office.

As of Office '97 (Win) and Office '98 (Mac), the file formats
are EXACTLY the same x-platform, so I don't understand your comment.
(and even historically, I think the only issue was the original
PowerPoint for Mac).

> If you buy MS Office for the Mac you can not get MS Outlook or MS
>Access. MS Outlook is a much more full featured client than MS Outlook
>Express is, and it just isn't available unless you have an Exchange server.

But it sounds like they are working to correct this - about time!

>MS Access just does not exist for the Mac and probably never will.

As I understand it, it's a "never will". It's a combination
of market (ie. the Mac folks don't need it like Windows people do)
and also that they guts of Access are the JET DBEngine which is
optimized for Intel architecture.

> MSIE 4.5 for the Mac has a wonderful self repair feature and a
>great auto fill feature for filling in web forms. MSIE 5.0 for the PC has
>a half baked auto fill feature and it doesn't have the self repair feature
>that the Mac version has.

That's because the MSIE (and Outlook Express) Mac team are
some of the best Mac engineers out there and building the best Mac
products they can - regardless of what their PC counterparts are
doing.

> I would really love to see MS's products on both platforms match
>each other a little bit more in functionality and usability.

I agree, but MS has decided that they can better serve the
Mac community by keeping development of the Mac products segregated
from the Wintel versions, so as not to get into the problems they
used to have when they DID use common code (and such).

Leonard

Subject: Re: [WinMac] Cross platform CD tutorial
From: "Changhsu P. Liu" <cpl874@optimum.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:12:54 -0400
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http://www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/director/tips.html

search for cross-platform.

http://www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/director/digest/index.html

has the archive of Direct-L mailing list posts, search by keywords should
get you a lot of answers.

http://www.macromedia.com

has a lot of Director related info too.

>I would appreciate being pointed in the right direction regarding making
>cross platform CDs using Director, QuickTime etc.
>
>Could you point me to a book or URL .... or maybe just reading the Toast
>(tm) manual.
>
>Specifically, how do I make HFS and FAT (is that right) partitions on the CD
>ROM from my Mac.
>
In essense, you need to dedicate one partition to Mac files. Create a
folder of your ISO9660 part (put it in another partition from the Mac one)
and drop the alias of files (or folders) you'd like to share with Mac
portion to this folder. Launch Toast and tell which partition you want for
Mac portion and select the ISO 9660 part (the folder), then press the CD.
Toast manual has more details.

Good luck,

Changhsu Liu

Subject: Re: [WinMac] Re: Cross platform CD tutorial
From: Paul Kaiser <buddy@effingham.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:12:57 -0400
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Yes. You should have no problems. That is assuming you can connect the CDRW
to your Mac (SCSI? USB?). If you are asking if you can write from the Mac
to a "networked" CDRW, well, I think the answer is no. (not practically).

Good Luck,
Paul Kaiser

>We're buying a CDRW from Creative Labs for our PC. We're going to be
>setting up a Novell network to connect my Mac to it all. Can I use Toast
>to write from the Mac?
>
>Rosemary

Subject: How I can get screen shots?
From: help <help@a-dsp.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:55:28 -0400
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Hello all,

i need to make a new user guide, but I need some screen shots of my NT
machine. How I can make screen shots or better only active windows shots
on Win NT?

Thanks in advance

Subject: Re: [WinMac] How I can get screen shots?
From: "Christopher Schobert" <cschobert@fcb.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:14:24 -0400
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Use "Print Screen" to capture a full screen, or "Alt-Print Screen" to
capture active windows. Then, open your favorite application and
click "Paste". The image will appear. I think the file format is
bitmap.

help wrote:

>Hello all,
>
>i need to make a new user guide, but I need some screen shots of my NT
>machine. How I can make screen shots or better only active windows shots
>on Win NT?
>
>Thanks in advance
>
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>

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Subject: Re: [WinMac] How I can get screen shots? From: "Darryl Lee" <lee@darryl.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:14:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

Well, you hold down the Apple (Command) and Shift keys while hitting F3. Oh, no, wait... hehehe...

Print Screen will capture the whole screen. Alt-Print Screen just grabs the active window.

> Hello all, > > i need to make a new user guide, but I need some screen shots of my NT > machine. How I can make screen shots or better only active windows shots > on Win NT? > > Thanks in advance > > * Windows-MacOS Cooperation List * >

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