Installing NT [WAS:Re: recommended NT lists or sites??]
Daniel L. Schwartz(expresso[at]snip.net)
Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:09:38 -0500
WinMac Digest #371 - Sunday, July 18, 1999
Re: [WinMac] recommended NT lists or sites??
by <CHoogendyk@aol.com>
Re: [WinMac] recommended NT lists or sites??
by "Romeyn Prescott" <prescor@potsdam.edu>
Re: [WinMac] VPN client for Mac -- suggestions?
by "Leonard Rosenthol" <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Installing NT [WAS:Re: recommended NT lists or sites??]
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Subject: Re: [WinMac] recommended NT lists or sites??
From: CHoogendyk@aol.com
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 20:59:47 EDT
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In a message dated 7/15/99 7:45:12 AM, tom@mail.visualwave.com writes:
>i am trying to learn/figure out how to install NT server to an active disk
>partition larger than 4 gig so that it doesn't hang/not boot after the
>cd-rom is taken out/machine restarts just before the GUI phase commences...
>
>any recommendations of good NT mailing lists or web sites would be great,
>i'm learning as i go (to quote a recent poster)!!
The knowledge base stuff at the Microsoft site is good.
I'm on an NT list at work that is specific to the library environment. I
haven't really gone looking for other lists. But I'm sure they are there. I
wouldn't be surprised if the Microsoft site lists them. The Apple site
certainly lists the Mac lists.
For starters, I wouldn't try installing NT on a larger partition. Set it up
so you have a smaller partition for the system and a larger partition for
other things. I'm not totally up on the details, but there are apparently
some serious problems with the boot sector when NT is installed in partitions
that are too large. In particular, updating to SP4 on a system that
previously appeared to be running alright, can trash the system.
Partitian Magic can redo things on an already set up system.
Chris Hoogendyk
Network Specialist
UMass Library, Amherst
Subject: Re: [WinMac] recommended NT lists or sites??
From: Romeyn Prescott <prescor@potsdam.edu>
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:47:07 -0400
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>i am trying to learn/figure out how to install NT server to an
>active disk partition larger than 4 gig so that it doesn't hang/not
>boot after the cd-rom is taken out/machine restarts just before the
>GUI phase commences...
>
>any recommendations of good NT mailing lists or web sites would be
>great, i'm learning as i go (to quote a recent poster)!!
>
>thank you!!
>:) tom
>
I don't know if this will help, but I just got a PIII 450 at work to
replace my PII 266. I had the PII dual booting Win95 and NT4/WS
mostly because I thought that the best use of the 2GB left on my 6GB
drive after NT's installer informed me it couldn't deal with
formatting/creating a partition larger than 4GB (stupid).
So......
Wanting my ENTIRE new 8GB disk to be NT, here's what I did: I took
the drive out of my new machine and slaved it to my exisiting
machine. I booted into NT and formatted the drive (ALL of it) NTFS.
Then I put it back into the NEW machine, booted from CD (it's about
time PCs had this feature!) and the NT installer thought that was
just ducky. I installed it and am running just fine.
Your mileage may vary,
...ROMeyn
signat-url: http://www2.potsdam.edu/dctm/prescor/signat-url.htm
Subject: Re: [WinMac] VPN client for Mac -- suggestions?
From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@lazerware.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 22:02:12 -0400
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At 2:02 PM -0800 7/16/99, Chuck Podaras wrote:
>Hi all, looking for input as to your experiences with *currently=20
>commercially available* VPN client SW for Mac. I am the lone Mac=20
>user in a growing organization which has an NT network behind an=20
>Apexx Technology Team Internet box.
There are two options that I am aware of - TunnelBuilder from=20
NTS, and PGPNet from PGP/NAI.
>I need a VPN client supporting PPTP;
Then you want TunnelBuilder.
>I am aware of NTS TunnelBuilder, however their continued support for=20
>Mac users in small user situations may be a ? and only "weak"=20
>encryption (rules the product out for my needs) is available unless=20
>you buy a 50-pak....
>
Our company is using TB in small quantity (5-10 pack) and=20
AFAIK it's running 128bit crypto since we are all in the US. I don't=20
know what your problems are with NTS, but if you feel there is a=20
problem then you are SOL for a single machine solution.
I also have another client which requires me to use Eagle's=20
RaptorMobile, which is only available for Windows. So I have it set=20
up on my NT box along with WinGate, and then I have my Mac connect=20
thru WinGate's proxy. I don't know if that's an option for you, but=20
it works fine for me.
Leonard
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Subject: Installing NT [WAS:Re: recommended NT lists or sites??]
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:09:38 -0500
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Been there, done that (formatting a HDD on a running
machine)... Sometimes
it works, and sometimes it doesn't. I've had it fail with Boot Device Not
Found error with IDE, and occasionally even with SCSI.
Here's what I do with big single drive NT machines:
I'll set aside ~512 MB at the start of the disk with FDISK,
format it to
FAT16, then install a MINIMUM installation of NT/Workstation, usually in a
directory called "NTHelper"... And I'll LEAVE this partition FAT16.
Then, I'll patch it to Service Pack 3 (needed for smooth NTFS
formatting);
Next, from the running copy of NT/W on the C: partition I'll
go into Disk
Administrator and create a single partition with the remaining space MINUS
8 MEGABYTES;
I'll then format this partition to NTFS with a 4 kilobyte cluster size;
Next, I'll gather the drivers needed and put them at the root of the C:
drive in folders with simple to remember names like "MATROX", "MYLEX",
"SYMBIOS", "INTEL", and so forth. If I'm not sure of the quality of a given
driver, then I can test it now;
Finally, I'll install the "production" copy of NT/Workstation
or NT/Server
on the big NTFS partition; and during the GUI setup point to the drivers in
the C:\INTEL (or whatever) directory.
WORD OF CAUTION/LANDMINE #1:
If you are dealing with NT driver level RAID sets, make SURE your
"NTHelper" installation is also NT/Server (if this is for a server), i.e.
you want both installations to be either NT/W or NT/S... Otherwise you can
hose the RAID when switch-booting between NT/W and NT/S if you don't take
the RAID offline!
WORD OF CAUTION/LANDMINE #2:
Using CONVERT.EXE to convert a FAT16 partition to NTFS yields
a partition
with an easily fragmented cluster size of 512 bytes - NFG.
WORD OF CAUTION/LANDMINE #3:
You'll need a *separate* partition with at least a gig of space if you
plan on installing NT5/Win2k: It likes to be the sole owner of its partition!
WORD OF CAUTION/LANDMINE #4:
Pull out al but 32 MB of RAM when running the installer: This will keep
the pagefile size manageable and stop possible partition out-of-space errors.
Hope this helps!
Dan
At 11:47 AM 7/17/99 -0400, ROMeyn wrote:
>>i am trying to learn/figure out how to install NT server to an
>>active disk partition larger than 4 gig so that it doesn't hang/not
>>boot after the cd-rom is taken out/machine restarts just before the
>>GUI phase commences...
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