Re: NT Server for Rampage RIP
Daniel L. Schwartz(expresso[at]snip.net)
Tue, 18 May 1999 17:49:35 -0400
WinMac Digest #315 - Tuesday, May 18, 1999
Re: [WinMac] OT & OS advice sought
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Server for Rampage RIP
by "Scott Fellman" <sfellman@gatewaygraphics.com>
Can't delete files on NT.
by "George Orthwein" <george@refinery.com>
Re: [WinMac] OT & OS advice sought
by "Victor Forberger" <vforberg@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
MacServer IP ships for AlphaNT
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
RE: JetDirect names change: Mac printing
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Clarification of RE: JetDirect names change: Mac printing
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Re: [WinMac] Clarification of RE: JetDirect names change: Mac printing
by "Bill Chapman" <billc@sarc.msstate.edu>
Re: NT Server for Rampage RIP
by "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Subject: Re: [WinMac] OT & OS advice sought
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:09:30 -0400
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Yes, OT will run on `030's and even the `020-equiped LC & LCII, AND it
will run under System 7.1 as well. I just wouldn't try it with a non-32 bit
"clean" Mac...
Cheers!
Dan
At 12:37 PM 5/17/99 -0500, Mike B. wrote:
>At 7:18 AM +0000 5/17/99, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>>If all you see is the 'Network' control panel, then your machines do not
>>support OT (I don't remember right now exactly what the 5260's are...) They
>>should have the older style TCP control panels if you want IP on them. If
the
>>installer doesn't install OT then it won't run on that machine. (IIRC OT
>>requires a powerPC)
>
>
>Not exactly. You can choose Open Transport by using the Network
>Software Selector (the name could be slightly different) usually
>stuck into the Apple Extra's folder by an installer.
>
>Just do a custom install and make sure the NSS and OT are installed.
>
>OT is supported on a older machines, btw- a Quadra 700 I am certain
>(since I am currently doing that when the Quadra under my desk isn't
>booted into NetBSD) and I think as far back as 030's, though I am not
>certain.
>
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Subject: Server for Rampage RIP
From: Scott Fellman <sfellman@gatewaygraphics.com>
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:37:55 -0500
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Win Mac Gurus,
My company is installing an imagesetter later this year. I can't talk my
prepress manager out of using Rampage for the RIP. This solution
requires a high performance NT server for filesharing with our Mac
clients. I would like to build the server (I can get the parts for less
than half of what our vendors are quoting and build a much better
product) but I've never a)set up a raid or b)setup an NT server for
filesharing with Macs. Neither of these two things seems that difficult
but I don't want to hang my neck out there and not be successful!!!
Question 1:
I'm considering an Adaptec AAA-133 3 channel raid controller controlling
two 4.5 gig cheetahs in a mirrored raid (need redundancy for the main
server) and three 36 gig Ultrastar ZX's in a striped raid 5
configuration with parity for the RIP/Mac clients. I need the raid 5
drive broken into 2 volumes (one for the RIP, one for the Mac clients).
Is there a way to do this with the raid controller or will I need to
create the 72 gig volume under raid and then create two partitions under
NT?
Question 2:
Is this correct-all I need to do on the server to install services for
Macintosh, go into the services control panel and enable file sharing
for Macintosh in order to share files with my Mac Clients (OS 8.1 on all
clients)?
Question 3:
Am I really asking for trouble or is this whole process as
straightforward as it seems? I have a list of the hardware I'm using if
anyone needs to look it over before offering up an answer to this last
question...
I'm on the digest so if you can email me directly in addition to
responding to the list I'd appreciate that greatly
Thanks in advance
Subject: Can't delete files on NT.
From: George Orthwein <george@refinery.com>
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:41:13 -0400
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Hi,
We have run into a problem several times with not being able to delete files=
from NT 4 because they are being 'held onto' by the IIS web server (we thin=
k).
The latest occurrence happened after while trying to FTP word documents up=
to the server from a Mac. Even the sys admin over there can't delete the=
files locally and now we are waiting for a reboot this weekend to replace=
the files.
I can understand the file being open and not being able to be replaced if we=
have the doc open in Word locally, but this is on a remote server. It=
can't be caused by viewing the Word Doc over http, can it? Perhaps a=
problem FTP from a Mac is causing? Could Service Pack 5 help?
Any ideas or insight is appreciated.
Thanks,
George
George Orthwein mailto:george@refinery.com
Art Director http://www.refinery.com
Image Refinery Productions 215-364-4590
Subject: Re: [WinMac] OT & OS advice sought
From: Victor Forberger <vforberg@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:18:39 -0400
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> The upgrade only gave me the older "Network" control panel. I think I
> should have Open Transport with an "Appletalk" control panel. Should I?
> I've read that TCP/IP is faster than Appletalk and I would need OT for
> TCP/IP would I not? What is the best version of OT that I can use on these
> 5260's? Is there a better idea?
Look for an application (usually installed in the Apple Extras folder)
called Network Software Selector. On your machines, OS 7.5.3 and 7.5.5
install both OT and classic, but will default to classic. Use this
application to switch between the two networking protocols. If you
decide to stick with OT, then update to 1.1.2.
By the way, you can check to see if OT is installed by using a program
that lets you see invisible files, such as ResEdit. Look for the OT
control panels AppleTalk and TCP/IP in Control Panels folder that are
invisible when you have classic networking selected.
take care,
Victor
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Subject: MacServer IP ships for AlphaNT
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:17:35 -0400
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The following came in, and I'm reposting it...
Cheers!
Dan
--------------------
I was trying to get the word out about MacServerIP availability for
Alpha NT but can not seem to subscribe to the group. Could Either of
you post the following for me.
Regards,
Josh Lampl
Team ASA
MacServerIP Integrates AppleShare IP with Win NT (Intel and DEC Alpha)
MacServerIP is the first AppleShare type server for Windows-NT to
support the Apple File Protocol over TCP/IP across Macintosh and Windows
NT platforms. MacServerIP is 2 to 4 times faster than Windows-NT
Services For Macintosh (SFM). MacServerIP users access the NT server
via the standard AppleShare IP interface.
An Intel and Dec Alpha version are currently shipping.
Team ASA Inc is distributing the product and can be reached at
http://www.teamasa.com/ . (Team ASA also distributes gigabit ethernet
network adapters for Macintosh and Windows NT).
This announcement was made because the poster believes it to be relevant
to your newsgroup.
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Subject: RE: JetDirect names change: Mac printing
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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:31:11 -0400
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Try using the MAC address to identify them...
At 12:17 PM 5/14/99 -0400, Brooks Peters wrote:
>We have dozens of printers on our network and I see 15 generically named
>LaserJet 4000 printers in the Chooser. I can't imagine trying to identify
>the one I want. The half-dozen I've renamed and re-zoned are easy to find
>and use along with their NT print queue counterparts.
>
>Hope this helps.
>________________________________________________________________________
>Brooks Peters (301) 227-1243 (voice)
>NSWC - Carderock Division (301) 227-5930 (fax)
>Code 5500 (Bldg. 18, Rm. 127) mailto:PetersJB@nswccd.navy.mil
>9500 MacArthur Blvd.
>West Bethesda, MD 20817-5700
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Subject: Clarification of RE: JetDirect names change: Mac printing
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:35:59 -0400
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Let me clarify: Throw a PS test page to each printer, which lists the IP
address and (stack - independent) MAC address on the sheet...
At 05:31 PM 5/18/99 -0400, I wrote:
>
> Try using the MAC address to identify them...
>
>At 12:17 PM 5/14/99 -0400, Brooks Peters wrote:
>>We have dozens of printers on our network and I see 15 generically named
>>LaserJet 4000 printers in the Chooser. I can't imagine trying to identify
>>the one I want. The half-dozen I've renamed and re-zoned are easy to find
>>and use along with their NT print queue counterparts.
>>
>>Hope this helps.
>>________________________________________________________________________
>>Brooks Peters (301) 227-1243 (voice)
>>NSWC - Carderock Division (301) 227-5930 (fax)
>>Code 5500 (Bldg. 18, Rm. 127) mailto:PetersJB@nswccd.navy.mil
>>9500 MacArthur Blvd.
>>West Bethesda, MD 20817-5700
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Subject: Re: [WinMac] Clarification of RE: JetDirect names change: Mac
printing
From: "Bill Chapman" <billc@sarc.msstate.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:50:13 GMT+6
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Actually, he may not know the physical location of all those printers, since
they are just somewhere in the ether.
Go to the printer you are interested in and physically punch its buttons to get
the menu, and print a test page. It will have all the jetdirect info on the test
page, part of which will be the card's address, which is what is used in
making up the generic name you see in the chooser.
Better yet, get the installation diskettes and run the jetadmin program, and
give the printer a name that you understand. (Unless you have one of those
futuristic computers with no floppy drive--In that case, get someone else to
run it for you.)
--Bill
On 18 May 99, at 17:35, Daniel L. Schwartz wrote:
>
> Let me clarify: Throw a PS test page to each printer, which lists the IP
> address and (stack - independent) MAC address on the sheet...
>
> At 05:31 PM 5/18/99 -0400, I wrote:
> >
> > Try using the MAC address to identify them...
> >
> >At 12:17 PM 5/14/99 -0400, Brooks Peters wrote:
> >>We have dozens of printers on our network and I see 15 generically named
> >>LaserJet 4000 printers in the Chooser. I can't imagine trying to identify
> >>the one I want. The half-dozen I've renamed and re-zoned are easy to find
> >>and use along with their NT print queue counterparts.
> >>
> >>Hope this helps.
> >>________________________________________________________________________
> >>Brooks Peters (301) 227-1243 (voice)
> >>NSWC - Carderock Division (301) 227-5930 (fax)
> >>Code 5500 (Bldg. 18, Rm. 127) mailto:PetersJB@nswccd.navy.mil
> >>9500 MacArthur Blvd.
> >>West Bethesda, MD 20817-5700
>
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Subject: Re: NT Server for Rampage RIP
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:49:35 -0400
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Dear Scott,
I'll answer you inline, and post it to both lists since you asked it
twice! :)
At 08:32 AM 5/18/99 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Scott Fellman <sfellman@gatewaygraphics.com>
>
>Mac-NT Listers,
>
>My company is installing an imagesetter later this year. I can't talk my
>prepress manager out of using Rampage for the RIP. This solution
>requires a high performance NT server for filesharing with our Mac
>clients. I would like to build the server (I can get the parts for less
>than half of what our vendors are quoting and build a much better
>product) but I've never a)set up a raid or b)setup an NT server for
>filesharing with Macs. Neither of these two things seems that difficult
>but I don't want to hang my neck out there and not be successful!!!
>
>Question 1:
>I'm considering an Adaptec AAA-133 3 channel raid controller controlling
>two 4.5 gig cheetahs in a mirrored raid (need redundancy for the main
>server) and three 36 gig Ultrastar ZX's in a striped raid 5
>configuration with parity for the RIP/Mac clients. I need the raid 5
>drive broken into 2 volumes (one for the RIP, one for the Mac clients).
>Is there a way to do this with the raid controller or will I need to
>create the 72 gig volume under raid and then create two partitions under
>NT?
I would avoid the adapcrap RAID adapters - Especially the AAA series -
Because they suck up valuable CPU cycles. Use a Mylex controller instead...
>
>Question 2:
>Is this correct-all I need to do on the server to install services for
>Macintosh, go into the services control panel and enable file sharing
>for Macintosh in order to share files with my Mac Clients (OS 8.1 on all
>clients)?
Go to the Network Control Panel, click on the Services tab and add
Services For Macintosh. Just be sure to reapply SP3 and the post-SP3 SFM
hotfixes at a minimum - SP5 preferred. (SP5 is pretty benign, as opposed to
SP4: It's mostly an agglomeration of hotfixes and security patches.)
>
>Question 3:
>Am I really asking for trouble or is this whole process as
>straightforward as it seems? I have a list of the hardware I'm using if
>anyone needs to look it over before offering up an answer to this last
>question...
Yes, let's take a look at it. Also, if the RIP software is AlphaNT-native,
check out the Compaq DS10 at the links below. But be prepared to stand in
line: Engineering firms and animation studios have blocks of hundreds of
these boxes ordered for rendering farms and Beowulf clusters, and the
backlog is incredible.
http://www.digital.com/info/LIW0K7/
http://www.digital.com/info/LIW0K4/
http://www.digital.com/info/LIW0JT/
http://www.digital.com/info/LIW0JQ/
And for VMS:
http://www.digital.com/info/LIW0KM/
http://www.digital.com/info/LIW0KC/
Cheers!
Dan
>Thanks in advance
>Scott
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