Thanks for your help.
Matt Montagne
Computer Specialist
38th Street School
Milwaukee Public Schools
I have a question I am hoping someone can help out with. I am one of about
20 Macs on an NT network. I have tried to access my workstation at the
office from home using Remote Access several times unsuccessfully. The
System Administrator refuses to install Appletalk because of "security
reasons" and I was wondering if anyone knows if this could be the problem.
Thanks for any and all info.
--
Jason Clement
12291 County Rte 5
Chaumont, NY 13622
315.686.4655
315.771.0911 (cell)
Jason@GiSCO.net
Subject: R: [WinMac] Sharing Printers/Files w/win boxes
From: "Alessio Giombini" <a.giombini@lasernet.it>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:52:44 -0500
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did u also share the printer (not only print sharing)?
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Montagne <montagmj@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>
To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list <winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 5:20 AM
Subject: [WinMac] Sharing Printers/Files w/win boxes
> I am trying to create small network of computers at the elementary school
I
> work at. Each workgroup has six HP Vectra VL computers (running Win '95)
> with factory installed 10/100 Mb 3COM Fast Etherlink XL Network Interface
> Cards. They are all linked together with an Ansante Friendly Net 8 Port
> Hub. I would like them to be able to share one of the computer's HP
> Deskjet Printers (it is not an ethernet printer.) I enabled file sharing
> at all stations and I enabled print sharing at the station that is attached
> to the printer. [snip] With all of this said, each
> time I go to Network Neighborhood and I try to browse the Entire Network I
> receive a message saying, "Unable to Browse the Network. The Network is
> not accessible."
Subject: RE: [WinMac] Remote Access / Appletalk
From: "Hetzel, Thomas" <TLHetzel@metatec.com>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:53:30 -0500
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Timbuktu would allow you to access your computer from home without using
Appletalk. Timbuktu could use TCP/IP to access files or control your
computer as well as a few other features.
> ----------
> From: Jason Clement
> Reply To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 11:20 PM
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: [WinMac] Remote Access / Appletalk
>
> I have a question I am hoping someone can help out with. I am one of about
> 20 Macs on an NT network. I have tried to access my workstation at the
> office from home using Remote Access several times unsuccessfully. The
> System Administrator refuses to install Appletalk because of "security
> reasons" and I was wondering if anyone knows if this could be the problem.
>
> Thanks for any and all info.
>
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Sharing Printers/Files w/win boxes
From: Curtis Wilcox <cwcx@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:53:33 -0500
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At 10:20 PM 5/13/99 -0500, Matt Montagne wrote:
>LED's on the hub and on the boxes are green. With all of this said, each
>time I go to Network Neighborhood and I try to browse the Entire Network I
>receive a message saying, "Unable to Browse the Network. The Network is
>not accessible." I am very comfortable placing a Mac on a network and I
>don't know why this is so difficult. Do I have to create a password that
>users use when the boxes are booted up? Right now I just click "Cancel" in
>the Network Password Dialogue box after the boxes boot up. What am I
>forgetting to do here?
Yep, you have to type *something* in for the username and password at boot
else you can't browse the network. If that's a nuisance you can download
TweakUI from Microsoft (or other download sources) and use that control
panel's auto-logon setting.
BTW, you only have to run File and printer sharing on the machine that is
doing the sharing.
--
Curtis Wilcox cwcx@ats.rochester.edu
Desktop Systems Consultant 716/274-1160
Eastman School of Music Pager: x12-3290
Subject: JetDirect names change: Mac printing
From: "Parker, Douglas" <douglas.parker@lmco.com>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:53:36 -0500
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I've read the FAQ--this isn't in it.
I have a mix of Macs and WIN95/NT systems in an environment with NT servers.
Printers are connected to HP JetDirects. WIN systems print through the NT
print server to the printers--no problems there. Our Macs had been printing
through NT also, but that's been disabled--now the Macs print directly to
the printer via AppleTalk through the JetDirects.
But we're having big problems with the naming of the JetDirects: If the NT
queue is called ABC, and if the JetDirect is named ABC (SFM is not enabled
on the NT print server--I'm pretty sure that's right--the Mac output goes
directly to the JetDirect and never touches the NT queue), then after a
period of time (weeks) the JetDirect renames itself to either one of two
things:
1) ABC1
or
2) HP LaserJet Series n
where n is some integer. The value for n never stays consistent from printer
to printer. It's obviously picking up the next integer available as it
resets its name on the fly, or as you power cycle the printer.
We need to pin down a permanent name for our printers so our Macs can print.
Thoughts or insights? Thanks ahead of time.
Doug
Subject: Printer management
From: "Daniel L. Schwartz" <expresso@snip.net>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:01:25 -0500
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The following crossed my desk.
Cheers!
Dan
DISCLAIMER: I HAVE NO FINANCIAL INTEREST IN EITHER OUTFIT...
>
> 1) PRINT QUEUE MANAGER: HIGH POWER PRINT CONTOL
> -----------------------------------------------
>
[snip]
The product claims:
>It is the only tool in existence that allows you to manually Drag
>and Drop or automatically re-direct print jobs to other printers or
>queues, Broadcast Print, Load Balance, Printer Disaster Recovery,
>Move, Copy, Delete, or Pause Print Jobs, and much more from a central
>console among networked printers in an NT enterprise environment.
See:
>Print Queue Manager is available now in a fully functional 30-day trial
>version at http://www.sunbelt-software.com/pqm.htm
>It is priced at only $995.00 for an NT Print Server, with volume and
>academic discounts available and immediate delivery.
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Subject: Re: [WinMac] Remote Access / Appletalk
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:18:12 -0500
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Hmmmm..."Won't run AppleTalk for _security_ reasons"...that's a new one by me.
Exactly _how_ is AppleTalk a security problem?
Yep, that might be the problem, if you're going through an NT remote access
server. Out of the box, with the proprietary MS authentication scheme only
Windows systems can connect, iirc.
They have to go to the standard PAPS/CHAPS (I forget the exact one or it may
be both) authentication. And then they would have to run Services for
Macintosh so you could talk to the desktop box.
Of course, if they did that, why you could save your files on the file server
where they're reasonably safe and backed up regularly instead of the desktop
boxes where vital corporate data is at the whim of individual workers
doing backups.
These are exactly the kind of roadblocks that cause people to do things like
install modems on their desktop machines so they can dial in to get their work
done. Thus creating _real_ security problems.
<sigh>
/mini-rant
Am I the only sysadmin on the planet who thinks his job is to make life
_easier_ for the users rather than _harder_?
/mini-rant
Jason Clement wrote:
>
> I have a question I am hoping someone can help out with. I am one of about
> 20 Macs on an NT network. I have tried to access my workstation at the
> office from home using Remote Access several times unsuccessfully. The
> System Administrator refuses to install Appletalk because of "security
> reasons" and I was wondering if anyone knows if this could be the problem.
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Remote Access / Appletalk
From: "Darron Spohn" <dspohn@clicknet.com>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:55:28 -0700
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> /mini-rant
>
> Am I the only sysadmin on the planet who thinks his job is to make life
> _easier_ for the users rather than _harder_?
>
> /mini-rant
Everyone in my department thinks you must be. Are you looking for a job?
--
Darron Spohn
Publications Manager
ClickNet Software Corporation
http://www.clicknet.com
Subject: RE: [WinMac] JetDirect names change: Mac printing
From: PetersJB@nswccd.navy.mil
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:17:27 -0400
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Doug,
Under similar conditions, I've used two techniques to address the problems
you've outlined: First, if your network has been configured with multiple
AppleTalk zones, assign the printer (or print queue) to an appropriate zone.
This avoids clustering so many printers into the default zone. Second, I
try to give a printer similar but not identical names for it's various
identities.
For instance, the out-of-the-box default name for an LJ 4000 using the
AppleTalk protocol might be "HP LaserJet 4000 Series". As you've seen, as
each similar printer is brought on-line subsequently, the "1", "2", etc. is
appended to make the network identity of any printer in a zone be unique.
If I rename the printer (via LaserJet Utility) to "LJ 4000, Code 5500", then
if the printer is offered through a print queue I might name it "LJ 4000,
Code 5500 (Q)". Similar names are given to appearances under NetWare or
when using HPs network printing apparatus.
We have dozens of printers on our network and I see 15 generically named
LaserJet 4000 printers in the Chooser. I can't imagine trying to identify
the one I want. The half-dozen I've renamed and re-zoned are easy to find
and use along with their NT print queue counterparts.
Hope this helps.
________________________________________________________________________
Brooks Peters (301) 227-1243 (voice)
NSWC - Carderock Division (301) 227-5930 (fax)
Code 5500 (Bldg. 18, Rm. 127) mailto:PetersJB@nswccd.navy.mil
9500 MacArthur Blvd.
West Bethesda, MD 20817-5700
> ----------
> From: Parker, Douglas
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 9:53 AM
> Subject: [WinMac] JetDirect names change: Mac printing
>
> I've read the FAQ--this isn't in it.
>
> I have a mix of Macs and WIN95/NT systems in an environment with NT
> servers.
> Printers are connected to HP JetDirects. WIN systems print through the NT
> print server to the printers--no problems there. Our Macs had been
> printing
> through NT also, but that's been disabled--now the Macs print directly to
> the printer via AppleTalk through the JetDirects.
>
> But we're having big problems with the naming of the JetDirects: If the NT
> queue is called ABC, and if the JetDirect is named ABC (SFM is not enabled
> on the NT print server--I'm pretty sure that's right--the Mac output goes
> directly to the JetDirect and never touches the NT queue), then after a
> period of time (weeks) the JetDirect renames itself to either one of two
> things:
>
> 1) ABC1
> or
> 2) HP LaserJet Series n
>
> where n is some integer. The value for n never stays consistent from
> printer
> to printer. It's obviously picking up the next integer available as it
> resets its name on the fly, or as you power cycle the printer.
>
> We need to pin down a permanent name for our printers so our Macs can
> print.
Subject: Re: [WinMac] JetDirect names change: Mac printing
From: Curtis Wilcox <cwcx@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:40:57 -0400
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How is the JetDirect getting its AppleTalk name? Are you using the Apple
Printer Utility? If not, that may be all you need to do, use that program
to set the name.
At 08:53 AM 5/14/99 -0500, Parker, Douglas wrote:
>I've read the FAQ--this isn't in it.
>
>I have a mix of Macs and WIN95/NT systems in an environment with NT servers.
>Printers are connected to HP JetDirects. WIN systems print through the NT
>print server to the printers--no problems there. Our Macs had been printing
>through NT also, but that's been disabled--now the Macs print directly to
>the printer via AppleTalk through the JetDirects.
>
>But we're having big problems with the naming of the JetDirects: If the NT
>queue is called ABC, and if the JetDirect is named ABC (SFM is not enabled
>on the NT print server--I'm pretty sure that's right--the Mac output goes
>directly to the JetDirect and never touches the NT queue), then after a
>period of time (weeks) the JetDirect renames itself to either one of two
>things:
>
> 1) ABC1
>or
> 2) HP LaserJet Series n
>
>where n is some integer. The value for n never stays consistent from printer
>to printer. It's obviously picking up the next integer available as it
>resets its name on the fly, or as you power cycle the printer.
>
>We need to pin down a permanent name for our printers so our Macs can print.
--
Curtis Wilcox cwcx@ats.rochester.edu
Desktop Systems Consultant 716/274-1160
Eastman School of Music Pager: x12-3290
Subject: RE: [WinMac] Remote Access / Appletalk
From: KR <krushing@cecasun.utc.edu>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:01:56 -0400
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>Timbuktu would allow you to access your computer from home without using
>Appletalk. Timbuktu could use TCP/IP to access files or control your
>computer as well as a few other features.
>
Timbuktu is a great piece of software for those of us who need to access
remote computers -- either by AppleTalk or by ethernet...
...and another option if your server is permanently affixed to the ethernet
is the AppleShare IP 6.1 fileserver software... through the AppleShare IP
6.1 one may access the file server by web browser... or through the
chooser... it is a very workable solution for those of us serving both mac
and pc clients...
--k
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