Re: [WinMac] Re:Choice of AppleShare IP 6.0 vs. NT (WinMac #91)
ProfSci@aol.com
I read all of the message below, and I know that (probably) no one can respond with definite answers, BUT, how will Rhapsody fit into the equation in the "server wars"?
Al Sills
In a message dated 10/11/98 10:13:19 AM, expresso@snip.net writes:
<<
Here's a point-by-point rebuttal why I don't recommend AppleShare IP6; and
instead recommend NT/Server 4.0 for mixed platform shops:
At 10:12 AM 9/30/98 -0600, Phil Corchary wrote:
>Points of comparison between AppleShare IP 6.0 and Windows NT Server 4.0
>This is an outline only.
>
>1) Easy and speed of setup, use and administration - AppleShare wins hands
>down. ASIP6 now also offers web-based admin, allowing you to admin all
>features of your server from a web browser.
False: NT's Express Setup is actually easier than navigating through MacOS
8.1's arcane installation process.
>
>2) Cost of hardware and software - AppleShare wins easily compared to the
>top-tier PC Server vendors, and the price-performance ratio is tremendously
>in favor of the AppleShare server
False:
A G3 Mac server in an 8600 package is more like a gagway minitower. There
are no Apple equivalents to a Proliant, NetServer, or AlphaServer.
>3) Performance - AppleShare IP 6.0 is more than twice as fast as NT 4.0 in
>copying files across a 100bT network from/to Macintosh clients. If you're
>looking for speedy file transfers with Mac clients, AppleShare IP is what
>you want.
What part of 600 mHz don't you understand?!
>
>4) Flexibility - AppleShare IP 6.0 will let you use AppleTalk or TCP/IP (AFP
>over IP) with you Macintosh clients. NT uses only AppleTalk. ASIP6 will also
>act as a server to any PC's that you have by providing native SMB services
>(the AppleShare server will appear in the Windows Network Neighborhood.)
Yes, and what about Macs that are not using AppleShare Chooser Extension
3.7 or higher? If the site has Quadra's, then MacOS 8 represents a 30%
speed hit over 7.6.1...
Also, what ever happened to packet routing? Apple Internet Router 3.0.1?!
Compare this to NT's **FREE** MPR (Multi-Protocol Router) Service (in
Option Pack).
Lastly, you can run NT/Server as a workstation OS with the Server services
in the background. If an app crashes, it simply gets flushed and doesn't
bring down the whole machine. Try running Photoshop simultaneously with ANY
version of AppleShare and watch what happens!
>
>Your ASIP6 server can also be your web server, FTP server, DNS server, Mail
>server (POP/SMTP/IMAP4) and your Print Spooler (and if you've ever tried
>spooling Postscript through WinNT, you know how unpredictable and
>problematic it can be!). All of this is included with
>the purchase of an AppleShare G3 server.
And Internet Information Server 4.0 (IIS4) is included for free in NT4/S...
>
>This means you can replace your current AppleShare 4.x server AND your NT
>server with a new, high performance Apple G3 Server with ASIP6, and get
>better performance AND easier administration for your Macs and PCs!
Since NT is Microsoft's premier product, it will have a steady, long term
lifespan.
--> And more importantly, what happens when Apple throws in the towel on
AppleShare Server, like they did with A/UX on the Workgroup Server 95's;
and AIX 4.1.4 on the Apple Network Servers? GET REAL!
Also, what ever happened to the lifetime toll-free tech support from
Apple's Business Systems Division, Greg Jewett? Your group *DID* a VERY
good job, before it was pretty much dissolved.
>
>For more information on AppleShare IP, visit
>http://www.apple.com/appleshare.
>
Steve Jobs' hype & hot air, à la iMac...
IN ADDITION, HERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE SADLY LACKING IN MACOS 8.1 /
APPLESHARE IP6:
1) Disk repair & recovery utilities: Until Norton Utilities 4.0 came out,
if you had a problem with HFS+, you were SCREWED. Compare this with the
built-in repair utilities for NTFS;
2) Much more flexible backup & archiving: In addition to having a built-in
tape backup utility, UltraBac is a mainframe-quality backup & disaster
recovery utility that is also available for OpenVMS;
3) Scalability (clustering with Convoy);
4) Automatic server load balancing & failover (Octopus & DoubleTake);
5) Commonality of major utilities with OpenVMS;
6) True 64 bit performance (Alpha (AXP) version only);
7) Availability on TWO architectures: DEC (Compaq) Alpha as well as intel.
And 600 mHz Alpha's are shipping **NOW**
8) Rock-solid stability: As long as you stick to the Windows NT Hardware
Compatibility List (HCL), then NT's stability will far exceed anything
Apple can produce;
9) Stability with flexibility: For example (from above), you can run
NT/Server as a workstation OS with the Server services in the background.
If an app crashes, it simply gets flushed and doesn't bring down the whole
machine with a Cherry Bomb. Try running Photoshop simultaneously with ANY
version of AppleShare and watch what happens!
This is also a tremendous money-saver in that in smaller shops you don't
need a dedicated machine working as a server.
>>Date: Sun, 27 Sep 98 20:52:13 -0400
>>From: Dan Goldblatt <danielg@njbiz.com>
>>Subject: Choice of AppleShare IP 6.0 vs. NT
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>>We are weekly newspaper running some 20 Macs from LCIIIs to G3 using an
>>AppleShare 4.something server and 5 Win95 machines with an NT4.0 server.
>>
>>I know I want to run a more powerful machine for my fileserver than the
>>aged Apple WGS 7250 we currently have. I'm trying to decide if I should
>>move up to AppleShare IP 6.0 on a 604 or G3 Mac or just move all my
>>fileserving to the NT server.
>>
>>Can folks help with me the points of comparison and consideration that I
>>should by thinking about or point me to some good sources?
>>
>>Thanks. Dan G.
>>
>>
>>**** **** ****
>>Dan Goldblatt
>>Health/Technology Editor
>>BUSINESS NEWS New Jersey
>
>
>Phillip Corchary, Sr. Systems Engineer
>Apple Computer, Inc., Denver CO
>corchary@apple.com / 303-202-9883
Yours truly,
Daniel L. Schwartz,
Electrical Engineer.
Dan's Macintosh Consulting
Suite 1306
1840 Frontage Road
Cherry Hill, NJ 08034-2205
609-795-8965
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