CHoogendyk@AOL.COM
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:26:25 EDT
>So Microsoft fudges the screen and makes
>things a little bigger than they are on paper so they "look right"
>on the screen.
'scuse me?
I think you are making this up.
Things on Windows screens look SMALLER, not larger. The original statement was
96dpi on Windows screens (I didn't check this, but I know they look smaller),
and 72dpi on Mac screens. I would guess that Microsoft probably did this to
cram more onto the screen or something like that. This "look right"
supposition just doesn't sound like Microsoft and furthermore doesn't fit with
the facts of our own observation.
Chris Hoogendyk
(graphic arts specialist &
former owner of a Linotronic service bureau)
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cathyf@infocom.com
Thu, 1 Oct 98 08:44:31 -0500
Yes, it can. I once downloaded some shareware product (Rainbow, I think
it was called) that was supposed to do that, there may be others. But you
need the real Atari ROM to run it. I didn't, so I never tried anything
with it.
You might call Toad Computers for advice -- they specialized in Atari
products (computers and game systems - yay, Lynx!). The last number I
have for them is
Back in 1995, they were at: (800) 448-TOAD
toad@charm.net and toad@genie.geis.com
I just checked the old web site address I had for them, they're now at
<http://www.toadcomputers.com/>
Read the All About Toad page, and you'll see how they evolved past the
(alas, poor Yorick) Atari on its passing. But I bet they still have
people who can answer your questions, with a nostalgic tear in their eye.
Peace, Cathy Flick cathyf@earlham.edu
P.S. The Atari can also emulate a mac....
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Belinda J. Wagner Ph.D. (bwagner@wfubmc.edu)
Thu, 1 Oct 98 09:59:36 -0500
>
>Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:45:02 -0700
>From: John Halbig <john@garage.com>
>Subject: Tidbit - Mac ODBC Post Explained
>
>This tidbit is from:
>
>JASON KULAS, <JKULAS@bcbsct.com>
>
>What is ODBC?
>
>Regarding the 9/17 post on Mac ODBC...ODBC (Open DataBase Connectivity)
>is a cross-platform "standard" Microsoft rolled-out some years back. The
>idea was to make it easier for various productivity apps (anything from a
>db-type package to a spreadsheet) to talk to various types of data
>storage formats, and to make it easier for developers to write apps that
>talk to whatever type of data engine was appropriate for the job at hand
>(i.e.--keep using your fave development environment/language, use any
>data engine you needed, ODBC could make the connection work for you).
>Instead of your spreadsheet needing code for how to deal w/ xbase formats
>vs Oracle vs MS Access vs...or the developer having to find an API
>package in his chosen language that implements access to a particular
>data format...now everyone could just work to ODBC and let ODBC handle
>the particular flavor of data engine being used. ODBC has successfully
>driven out some products designed to mediate between an app and a
>"foreign" db format, but, despite the fact that ODBC can be very slow in
>some situations vs "native" db connectivity, it has enabled a variety of
>products to talk to any of a variety of db formats with some "ease",
>though initially configuring & installing ODBC drivers can sometimes be a
>problem.
>
>At its simplest level, the way it works is that the app (say a
>spreadsheet) knows how to utilize data from a database by "talking" in
>the language of ODBC...it makes ODBC API calls. Then depending upon what
>type of database it needs to talk to an ODBC driver must be present that
>can translate from generic ODBC requests to the specific steps required
>to do the action on the particular data format being used. By supporting
>ODBC, rather than say just Oracle, the spreadsheet app now can work with
>any data engine that can work with ODBC.
>
>What does the Augsoft product do?
>
>What the product mentioned <http://www.augsoft.com/router/> does is give
>you a "client" app that can run on your Mac alongside your main app (a
>productivity app like Office or something you've custom coded). The main
>app can make ODBC calls to work with data in a database. The client will
>transmit those calls up to a server program on an NT server. That server
>program has ODBC drivers that let it talk to whatever db necessary, then
>return the result back to the Mac.
>
>Why is it good for Mac users?
>
>The value of this product is that it can let ANY ODBC-aware Mac apps
>(such as Hypercard, Office, FileMaker, Code Warrior, Visual Cafe,
>PowerObjects, MacPERL, 4D, MPW, OMNIS 7, Tcl/Tk, etc) talk to ANY
>ODBC-aware data engines that aren't available on the Mac platform and not
>supported by any other Mac-based ODBC solution (like MS Access, which is
>fairly popular, despite being a so-so product). Also, being server based,
>as ODBC drivers change (& you can end up needing an unwieldy number of
>them), instead of having to update lots of individual computers that
>drivers installed on them you can update just the server & lower your
>maintenance costs.
>
>So if you're required to work with some db standard you don't have to
>ditch your Mac if you can use the ODBC route to get your work done.
>
>Disclaimer: I don't work for Augsoft, I don't think highly of ODBC, & I
>love my Mac (which lives at home)
posted to the Win-Mac coop list by:
Belinda J. Wagner, Ph.D. voice: (336) 716-2992
Research Assistant Professor fax: (336) 716-6642
Department of Plastic Surgery
Wake Forest Univ. School of Medicine email: bwagner@wfubmc.edu
Medical Center Blvd.
Winston-Salem, NC 27157
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Jim Royal (jimr@Eicon.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:03:32 -0400
> Is there a way to set a default display font for received messages in Mac
> Outlook for Exchange? Most of the mail I get arrives as 9 point Arial
> which
> is pretty much unreadable at my monitor resolution (and age :-)).
>
You can indeed change the default font in Outlook to something more readable
on the Mac (such as Arial 12 pt), but then your email messages to PC users
would have fonts that look abnormally large.
The real problem is Microsoft's Arial font for the Mac. The hinting is
terrible, and boldface or italic versions are completely unreadable.
What I did to address this problem was to take a more readable screen font
and rename it Arial. I used Geneva. Geneva is very readable at small sizes,
and in bold/italic. I duplicated Geneva, and opened the duplicate font
suitcase in ResEdit and changed all the naming conventions so that the
system now thinks Geneva is Arial. I then tossed Microsoft's Arial in the
Trash.
The upshot is that I get a readable font for display, and PC users still see
Arial in messages from me.
If you like, I can email you my customized font so that you can try it
yourself.
Jim Royal
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Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:03:20 -0400
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:46:35 -0400
At 08:59 AM 9/30/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>[The exception was to a Canon Color Laser 550 with an EFi RIP
>>with a 40 MB hard drive, where I set up a P90 NT spooler.]
>How come? Fiery RIPs work beautifully with Macs, they even come with
>Appletalk turned on by default.
>
>What Fiery was it? An i series?
>
>Alex Dearden
>pata@doglover.com
>
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jeff thorstad (thorstadj@macconnect.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:30:05 -0500
This is true, the security is lacking. It is fairly easy to get around.
My friend's 3 year old has even found a way to get past At Ease.
Jeff T
thorstadj@macconnect.com
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jeff thorstad (thorstadj@macconnect.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:43:33 -0500
Hmmm, whatever. I don't think anyone is making anything up. You may be
looking at different programs, though.
Fact: When I use Excel or Word, the letters, etc. on the screen are
somewhat larger in Windows than Mac. I need to put ALL files at 75% zoom
in Windows to make the screen usable. Otherwise, I get about 20% less
data (columns or rows) on my screen compared to the Mac. This is in all
versions of Word and Excel at least dating back to 16bit versions.
I don't know how the dpi numbers would reflect this, not my area of
expertise. However, some things in Windows (desktop area) do look smaller
than a comparable feature on the Mac. I do not know what to attribute
these differences to. I believe it stems from the wide open nature of
Windows based computers. While this 'anything goes' attitude has allowed
cloning success, low prices and almost total market domination, it has
also led to many non-standard programs. Oh, well. I am surprised that
Microsoft programs do not seem to follow any standards themselves, sounds
like an internal quality control issue.
Jeff T
thorstadj@macconnect.com
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James Rupprecht (jimrupp@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu)
Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:44:14 -0500
I don't think this will solve the poster's original problem...that he needs
to have the macs authenticate before printing. When you capture a printer
with NTAS, the Mac clients simply see a print spool instead of (or in
addition to, depending on how you are set up) the physical device. If
memory serves, there is no way to make the a Mac authenticate before
printing. I believe this is due to how apple printer spooling works. Here
is a snip of an article from the NTRK, (pulled off Technet):
"Although native Macintosh networking provides support for file security,
it does not provide support for print device security. The AppleTalk
protocol contains no mechanism that supports client user name or password.
Macintosh clients, therefore, cannot identify themselves on the network,
and the Windows NT print server cannot impose user-level security on
Macintosh clients. If a Macintosh client is physically able to send a job
to a print device or print server, that client implicitly has permission to
do so.
You can, however, enforce one set of printer permissions on all Macintosh
users as a group. The Macintosh client must start the MacPrint service by
logging on using a user account. By default, it logs on as the System
account. The System account has Print permission on all local print
devices, so any Macintosh client can send a job to any of the Windows NT
computer’s local printers. To limit the permissions for Macintosh clients,
create a new user account, giving it the printer permissions you want the
group to have. Then set the Macintosh client MacPrint service to log on
using this account."
Hope this helps...
James Rupprecht
Systems Specialist
Applied English Center
University of Kansas
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John Nurick (j.nurick@dial.pipex.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:08:00 +0100
Only if you insist on formatting your e-mails rather
than sending nice simple plain text!
John
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John Nurick (j.nurick@dial.pipex.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:08:00 +0100
Only if you insist on formatting your e-mails rather
than sending nice simple plain text!
John
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Jim Royal (jimr@Eicon.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:18:40 -0400
> Jim Royal wrote
>
> > You can indeed change the default font in Outlook
> > to something more readable
> > on the Mac (such as Arial 12 pt), but then your
> > email messages to PC users
> > would have fonts that look abnormally large.
>
> Only if you insist on formatting your e-mails rather
> than sending nice simple plain text!
>
Actually, you have no choice but to send formatted text in Outlook. When
Internet email is sent the Exchange server strips the formatting for you.
Otherwise, everyone on the LAN sends/receives formatted email by default.
Jim Royal
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Tim (tim@buzz.dope.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:17:30 -0400
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Royal <jimr@Eicon.com>
To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list <winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu>
Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 2:19 PM
Subject: RE: [WinMac] Default reading font in Outlook?
>John Nurick wrote:
>
>
>> Jim Royal wrote
>>
>> > You can indeed change the default font in Outlook
>> > to something more readable
>> > on the Mac (such as Arial 12 pt), but then your
>> > email messages to PC users
>> > would have fonts that look abnormally large.
>>
>> Only if you insist on formatting your e-mails rather
>> than sending nice simple plain text!
>>
>Actually, you have no choice but to send formatted text in Outlook. When
>Internet email is sent the Exchange server strips the formatting for you.
>Otherwise, everyone on the LAN sends/receives formatted email by default.
>
>Jim Royal
>Technical Publications
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>
>
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Jim Royal (jimr@Eicon.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:26:16 -0400
> umm, actually no, look at tools/options/mail format and select plain text
> for outgoing mail format.
>
I don't have that option. I'm using Outlook 8.01.
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Bruce Johnson (johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU)
Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:17:30 -0700
There are three ST emulators shown at that site. (presuming you want an
ST emulator...the Rainbow emulator that Cathy Flick mentioned is an 800
emulator, there are several of those, too.) Links to allof them and the
ROM images necessary to use them are there.
Since the fastest Atari ST ever made used a 68030 (IIRC), I'd suspect
that a new G3 running one in emulation might be faster than the
original.
david wrote:
>
> Sorry to cross post this slightly off topic question but i'm hoping
> somebody in the list will be able to help.
>
> I mostly work on a Mac but tonight I've just had a Atari experience! the
> kit we're looking at is called space=sound. I suspect that this
> software is not available on any other platform at the moment. Can Atari
> software run on a Mac in emulation? If so, i have no experience of Atari
> machines how fast are they what sort of Mac would do the job reasonably
> well?
> This would allow me to develop projects in my home work space, prior to
> making a significant investment in hardware some way down the line.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> david dobedoe
> david@dobedoe.demon.co.uk
>
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Parker, Douglas (douglas.parker@lmco.com)
Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:08:34 -0400
I know that in AppleShare Admin, there's a menu entry that allows you to
copy (import) volumes from one location to another which also copies group
and user information for every folder and file, thus retain the original
file and folder privileges. If you were to copy the volumes *in the Finder
at the workstation where AS is running*, you won't have any AppleShare
privileges associated with the files and folders. Let me tell you from
experience that rebuilding these are not fun. :-(
I don't use AtEase, so I'm not sure how that fits into the equation. The
above may not even apply, so be warned. Doesn't Apple have an AtEase FAQ?
Also, no, I don't think the NT server needs to get involved in the
changeover.
FWIW, you can always experiment with a small data sample to iron out
procedural bugs before tackling the whole enchilada.
Doug
Proposal Technical Support
Presentations and Communication
Lockheed Martin
> ----------
> From: ProfSci@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 8:05 PM
> Subject: trashing a mac server and adding to another on our NT
> network
>
> Hi,
>
> We have a server that we need to disable. [SNIP] Its a 5260/100 with
> appleshare 3.0 on it. [SNIP] I need to move all the users, documents,
> etc... from that "server" to our 7250/120 which is managing our high
> school. [SNIP]
>
> The 7250 server is running appleshare 4.2.1. What I need to do is take all
> our At Ease (we have at ease 5.0, ANAT 3.0) user lists and user groups and
> transfer them from the 5260 to the 7250. [SNIP] I also need to transfer
> the "documents" folder as this contains the Jr. High users saved work.
> [SNIP]
>
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Marlan (marlan@sasquatch.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 98 15:27:38 -0800
I taught at a school 3 years ago that had it. It was frustrating to the
9th & 10th graders because they didn't have a real 'desktop' to work
with, but it was fairly secure in a lab setting and highly customizable.
I think I could get around it by booting from a CD or from a zip, but
neither were a problem.
Marlan
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David McKnight (dmcknight@fleetwood.com)
Thu, 01 Oct 1998 17:51:35 -0700
I don't have the latest version, but if you don't want someone to
access something from an added pull-down menu on the menu bar (in my
version at least), you need to make sure not to have that menu added.
That can involve the Extension Manager and restarting, not the most
convenient way to go. I don't know if that is still the case in the
latest version. On the plus side, though, I've added a seven disk CD
changer to the computer with a pull down menu to select the disk --
and my five-year-old operates that just fine.
In fact I'll never forget the day (she was three) she walked into the
study, slid up the top to the roll-top desk, powered-on the Mac,
clicked GO in At Ease (we set her up to enter her area without a
password), and started on one of her favorite apps. It was that easy
for her -- though my access to the finder was password protected, so
she wasn't able to get to it.
I use both Mac and PC at work, and should warn anybody who thinks
logging on with username and password in Win95 offers similar
protection -- you're wrong. Just hit the escape key, and you'll
continue right to the desktop (go figure...). I'm not using Win98, so
I don't know if that's been corrected.
Also, At Ease is used by most schools that have Macs that I've seen.
Great little (though slightly imperfect) security app.
DAVID
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>Subject: Re: At ease
>From: Alex Dearden <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
>Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:43:17 -0400
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
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>Hello, anyone have any experiences with At Ease??? Good or Bad.
>
>Alex Dearden
>pata@doglover.com
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David McKnight (dmcknight@fleetwood.com)
Thu, 01 Oct 1998 17:57:31 -0700
I know some of our designers have had problems with Desktop Printing,
but I've never been able to replicate them on my PB3400/200 or (before
that) Duo 280c. I like it. Couldn't make LaserWriter 8.5 work with our
Fiery very well -- but no problems with Adobe's PSPrinter extension
and desktop printing. Works like a champ!
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David McKnight (dmcknight@fleetwood.com)
Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:08:13 -0700
While I wouldn't put it past MS to change the way preferences are
handled in Outlook vs. Outlook Express -- at least in OE, you have the
option to have messages composed as plain text OR formatted in HTML.
The server does *not* strip the formatting when sending over the
internet (ours is Exchange Server 5.0). But sending it that way to
someone who does not have a MIME compliant e-mail client may be a
problem.
DAVID
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Darryl Lee (lee@darryl.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:30:27 -0700 (PDT)
> I use both Mac and PC at work, and should warn anybody who thinks
> logging on with username and password in Win95 offers similar
> protection -- you're wrong. Just hit the escape key, and you'll
> continue right to the desktop (go figure...). I'm not using Win98, so
> I don't know if that's been corrected.
>
> Also, At Ease is used by most schools that have Macs that I've seen.
> Great little (though slightly imperfect) security app.
The much-ridiculed "Microsoft Bob" software let you do similar
things under Windows 95. If only it wasn't so "cute." Sadly, it got
killed off quick.
But i helped somebody set this up on their Gateway 2000 system at
home, and it was great. Kids had their "clubhouse" with all the
appropriate apps, and it kept them out of the folks' "office" with
things like Quicken and so on.
Maybe Windows 98 incorporated some of the "Bob" stuff? i dunno.
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Ryan Sabir (Ryan@gomango.com.au)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:40:08 +1000
The only program that will use ftp at all is Netscape and IE, and thats
only for downloads, I can't get Netscape to upload, or Fetch, Anarchie,
or any other ftp protocol.
I thought I'd be able to do this using the SOCKS proxy option in all
these programs but that doesn't work either.
Whats the story with SOCKS anyway? Is it an accepted standard?
TIA for any advice.....
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Brian Forte (bforte@adelaide.on.net)
Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:46:29 +0930
>A coworker of mine recently got his area hooked up to ethernet. It is
>important for him and me to transfer files about 50mb in size to each
>other so I figured it would be easiest and cheapest if I setup a ftp
>server on my computer (IBM-compatable, his has a Mac). When he logged on
>he was able to download files from me however he was unable to upload them
>to my computer. I figured this was possibly a problem because he is in a
>higher security location and there was a firewall and other items up (that
>is the extent to my network knowledge!).
I hate to ask the obvious, but have you set your FTP server to allow a
known user to write to a directory on your HD? If he's trying to login
using the standard 'anonymous/email address as password' your FTP
server's default settings (which should allow for read-only access for
anonymous FTP users) would prevent him from writing any file to your
machine.
>He is fairly new to computers and thus I doubt he could setup a ftp server
>on his computer. Does anybody know a way that he can get around whatever
>is blocking him to upload the files to my computer?
Even given his 'fairly new' status, it might be worth pointing him
towards Peter Lewis's NetPresenz, a US$10.00 shareware FTP, HTTP and
Gopher server for the Mac OS.
It's small, elegant and very easy to set-up. If your co-worker has ever
used the Mac OS's built-in personal file-sharing to allow someone to
share a folder on his machine then he can setup NetPresenz, since it uses
the same interface (and tools).
You'll find all of Peter's tools at <http://www.stairways.com/> and
NetPresenz in particular at <http://www.stairways.com/netpresenz/>.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Brian Forte.
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David Linsey (linseyda@pilot.msu.edu)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:47:58 -0400
Yes, unfortunately it looks like my only solution may be to get him involved
in a FTP server for his computer. Thanks for the suggestions, if anybody
has any others, they would be appreciated as well.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
> [mailto:winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Brian Forte
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 11:16 PM
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: [WinMac] Re: FTP Uploading
>
>
> David,
>
> I hate to ask the obvious, but have you set your FTP server
> to allow a
> known user to write to a directory on your HD? If he's trying
> to login
> using the standard 'anonymous/email address as password' your FTP
> server's default settings (which should allow for read-only
> access for
> anonymous FTP users) would prevent him from writing any file to your
> machine.
>
> Even given his 'fairly new' status, it might be worth pointing him
> towards Peter Lewis's NetPresenz, a US$10.00 shareware FTP, HTTP and
> Gopher server for the Mac OS.
>
> It's small, elegant and very easy to set-up. If your
> co-worker has ever
> used the Mac OS's built-in personal file-sharing to allow someone to
> share a folder on his machine then he can setup NetPresenz,
> since it uses
> the same interface (and tools).
>
> You'll find all of Peter's tools at <http://www.stairways.com/> and
> NetPresenz in particular at <http://www.stairways.com/netpresenz/>.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian Forte.
>
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CElhardt@aol.com
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:06:47 EDT
We wanted the Win95 drivers to an HP scanner, which drivers are available
from the HP web site. None of the machines at work have modems and the
intranet, or our piece of it, won't access the internet. Thus, I easily
downloaded the drivers and upgraded software from their website from home
on my powerBook 5300 (no, it has never caught fire). Although they
appear to be .exe files, they're actually self-extracting archives.
I figured I could use zipIt to split one of the 3Mb+ files into a couple
segments and then transfer the segments onto pc-formatted floppies. A
couple of the smaller files that fit onto one floppy unpacked perfectly
on the pc but I couldn't get the split files to reassemble correctly,
either with zipIt or with stuffIt.
I wound up going back home with a pc-formatted zipdisk and copied the
entire set onto the zip. Should work fine, but I'll know for sure
tomorrow. By the way, the mac version of HP Scanjet fits on 800K while
the Win95 version takes up 9 floppies in 4 self extracting files. Even
then, you've got to know if your target platform is microchannel, ISA,
EISA, or something called NEC-PC ; but only one, small, recently updated
(July97) version for all Macs.
The question: is there a utility that could split a large .exe file into
segments on a mac for transfer to pc-formatted floppies?
chris.
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how dogs spend their lives.
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:34:08 -0400
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Jim Royal (jimr@Eicon.com)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:43:35 -0400
> While I wouldn't put it past MS to change the way preferences are
> handled in Outlook vs. Outlook Express -- at least in OE, you have the
> option to have messages composed as plain text OR formatted in HTML.
> The server does *not* strip the formatting when sending over the
> internet (ours is Exchange Server 5.0). But sending it that way to
> someone who does not have a MIME compliant e-mail client may be a
> problem.
>
Actually, our server does strip the formatting. Or it seems to. For
example, the above quoted text (with the > symbol) appears to me as I type
this message to be merely indented, in a different colour than the rest of
the text. Someone receiving this message on our LAN would see it this way.
However, when I send this message through our Internet gateway, the indent
is replaced by the > symbol, and the colour attribute is stripped out. This
happens only when I send Internet mail. This has to be the Exchange server
doing it, no?
Jim Royal
Technical Publications
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Craig Rash (cRash@pcci.edu)
02 Oct 98 09:42:18 -0500
Craig Rash <cRash@pcci.edu>
Tech Support Coordinator
Pensacola Christian College <http://www.pcci.edu>
Marlan wrote:
>>Hello, anyone have any experiences with At Ease??? Good or Bad.
>
>I taught at a school 3 years ago that had it. It was frustrating to the >9th & 10th graders because they didn't have a real 'desktop' to work >with, but it was fairly secure in a lab setting and highly customizable. >I think I could get around it by booting from a CD or from a zip, but >neither were a problem.
>
>Marlan
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Bruce Johnson (johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU)
Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:44:11 -0700
As a suggestion for the PC-Side FTP server, try WAR-FTP, available via
www.tucows.com It works real well for me, and is freeware. I use it to
get a cheap simulation of networking on our (appletalk-less) NT network,
since I can see my network drives via my desktop that way.
There are several other servers at that site. In fact I can safely state
that tucows is the BEST site for finding internet-related tools of all
sorts for Macs, Win or NT.
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Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:07:53 -0700
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Curtis Wilcox (cwcx@uhura.cc.rochester.edu)
Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:06:04 -0400
Typically a networked or networkable printer has its own software for
printing directly to it w/o involving a server. For Hewlett-Packard, it's
the HP JetDirect Port which is a component of the JetAdmin software freely
available from their web site. Looking in my NT printer port options there
is also AppleTalk Printing Devices (only works w/ NT Server), Digital
Network Port, Lexmark DLC Network Port and Lexmark TCP/IP Network Port. I
would imagine Epson has it's own software for their networked printers.
Also, there are lpr (which comes from the UNIX world) clients available. If
the printer supports the use of lpr (I don't recall what is necessary),
they should work. QVT/NET is a shareware package of network clients &
servers and it includes an lpr client. I know almost nothing about lpr but
it seems to be very different from a printer driver. Instead you send a
file to the printer directly to the printer using the lpr program, not from
within the normal Windows print dialog in any given application. This
QVT/lpr has Text or Binary transfer options so I'd guess that it's only
good for printing plaintext or sending postscript files to postscript
printers.
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LaPedis, Ron (ron.lapedis@compaq.com)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:12:37 -0700
Ron LaPedis
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Global Development Systems & Engineering
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Royal [SMTP:jimr@Eicon.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 07:04
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: RE: [WinMac] Default reading font in Outlook?
>
> Jerry Smith wrote:
>
> > Is there a way to set a default display font for received messages in
> Mac
> > Outlook for Exchange? Most of the mail I get arrives as 9 point Arial
> > which
> > is pretty much unreadable at my monitor resolution (and age :-)).
> >
> You can indeed change the default font in Outlook to something more
> readable
> on the Mac (such as Arial 12 pt), but then your email messages to PC users
> would have fonts that look abnormally large.
>
> The real problem is Microsoft's Arial font for the Mac. The hinting is
> terrible, and boldface or italic versions are completely unreadable.
>
> What I did to address this problem was to take a more readable screen font
> and rename it Arial. I used Geneva. Geneva is very readable at small
> sizes,
> and in bold/italic. I duplicated Geneva, and opened the duplicate font
> suitcase in ResEdit and changed all the naming conventions so that the
> system now thinks Geneva is Arial. I then tossed Microsoft's Arial in the
> Trash.
>
> The upshot is that I get a readable font for display, and PC users still
> see
> Arial in messages from me.
>
> If you like, I can email you my customized font so that you can try it
> yourself.
>
> Jim Royal
> Technical Publications
> "Understanding is a three-edged sword"
>
>
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:34:08 -0400
Leonard
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Designated Free Electron (612) 766-4718 (Minn)
Adobe Systems Incorporated (215) 233-5270 (Philly)
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Belinda J. Wagner Ph.D. (bwagner@wfubmc.edu)
Fri, 2 Oct 98 18:14:33 -0500
Is this person using Fetch? That app is the best I've seen on Mac
platform. It may be as simple as what your server is looking for as a
username and password. It may be configured to accept only the word
"anonymous" as a username and an email address as a password. You will
have to ask your IS people.
I upload using Fetch from behind a firewall all the time. I think the
block is on your ftp server.
Good luck
Belinda J. Wagner, Ph.D. voice: (336) 716-2992
Research Assistant Professor fax: (336) 716-6642
Department of Plastic Surgery
Wake Forest Univ. School of Medicine email: bwagner@wfubmc.edu
Medical Center Blvd.
Winston-Salem, NC 27157
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Alex Dearden (pata@tampabay.rr.com)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:34:08 -0400
Alex Dearden
pata@doglover.com
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Danny Thomas (D.Thomas@vthrc.uq.edu.au)
Sat, 3 Oct 1998 10:28:15 +1000
One caveat: if you want to use a PPD-based printer driver such as Adobe's
(or I believe that in Win98/NT5), lpr printing doesn't provide a
communication channel back from the printer. That means the driver can't
query the printer about how much RAM it has, what fonts, or importantly
what optional paper trays it has installed. You can either manually
configure these for the printer, or edit the PPD file to change the
defaults to match your printer. We do that for our printers even under
MacOS, because the PPDs from Lexmark & Tektronix do not have queries in the
PPD. Not to mention the Apple PPDs don't gracefully handle US Letter/A4
mismatches without some gentle prodding.
cheers,
Danny Thomas
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Alex Dearden (pata@tampabay.rr.com)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:41:00 -0400
If they look smaller, you might have "small fonts" selected. It seems to
look bigger to the rest of the world (including me)
Alex Dearden
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Alex Dearden (pata@tampabay.rr.com)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:51:31 -0400
Does it allow administration over the internet (or at least a modem)? Or
do I have to use Apple Remote Access for that?
Alex Dearden
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Alex Dearden (pata@tampabay.rr.com)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:54:05 -0400
On Nt you do it by setting up an LPR port. So it really does it directly!
On 95 you have to use 3rd party software like WLPR Spooler (Shareware $15
or $30) and it's not as good as NT but seems to do the trick. There are
other third party packages but that one's real popular.
Alex Dearden
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Alex Dearden (pata@tampabay.rr.com)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:56:14 -0400
Although this is sort of true on Unix, it doesn't work that way on NT or
95. You just USE an LPR port but still print the same way as before,
using drivers and printing from within your applications.
Alex Dearden
pata@doglover.com
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Marc Bizer (mlbizer@mail.utexas.edu)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:08:12 -0500
Has anyone had much success with the "Save as HTML" feature in
PowerPoint 97 for Windows or PP 98 for the Mac? It appears to save
individual slides as entire graphics, which means that text looks terrible
in one's web browser.
In addition, someone noted a while ago the best graphics format to
use for the best cross-platform image quality. Was it encapsulated
postscript? I converted all images to that format using GraphicConverter on
the Mac, but when I converted my PowerPoint presentation to HTML, none of
the graphics appeared!
--Marc
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David Linsey (linseyda@pilot.msu.edu)
Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:47:08 -0400
> -----Original Message-----
> From: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
> [mailto:winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Belinda J. Wagner
> Ph.D.
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 7:15 PM
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: [WinMac] Re: FTP and Mac
>
>
>
> >Does anybody know a way
> >that he can get around whatever is blocking him to upload
> the files to my
> >computer?
>
> Is this person using Fetch? That app is the best I've seen on Mac
> platform. It may be as simple as what your server is looking for as a
> username and password. It may be configured to accept only the word
> "anonymous" as a username and an email address as a password.
> You will
> have to ask your IS people.
>
> I upload using Fetch from behind a firewall all the time. I think the
> block is on your ftp server.
>
> Good luck
>
>
> Belinda J. Wagner, Ph.D. voice: (336) 716-2992
> Research Assistant Professor fax: (336) 716-6642
> Department of Plastic Surgery
> Wake Forest Univ. School of Medicine email:
> bwagner@wfubmc.edu
> Medical Center Blvd.
> Winston-Salem, NC 27157
>
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ProfSci@aol.com
Sat, 3 Oct 1998 10:27:32 EDT
<<>we use at-ease, the "network administration" part of the package is GREAT,
>the
>desktop security portion is extremely finicky and troublesome
How so? I am more interested in local security!!!>>
At ease provides an evironment for the user where they are given a folder with
program icons that the user clicks on to launch the programs that they are
authorized to access. These icons are to be simplistic "unstable" that is,
they are easily curropted and then diable the user from being able to access
desired programs. I don't know why this happens, but even Apple (the mfr of
AtEase) has commented to me on the finicky nature of atease.
Al Sills
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Bruce Johnson (johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU)
Sat, 03 Oct 1998 09:16:17 -0700
Yeah, that's the way PP does it which is _absolutely_ useless. But with care
the text need not look terrible...experiment with different font sizes and colors.
> In addition, someone noted a while ago the best graphics format to
> use for the best cross-platform image quality. Was it encapsulated
> postscript? I converted all images to that format using GraphicConverter on
> the Mac, but when I converted my PowerPoint presentation to HTML, none of
> the graphics appeared!
>
EPS is the best for transferring graphics cross platform for apps that support
EPS. Web browsers do not, which is why they all disappeared. You need to use
GIF or JPEG images for the web.
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Tony Green (tony.green@worldnet.att.net)
Sat, 3 Oct 1998 14:12:10 -0400
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Michael Ritchie (mritchie@asu.edu)
Sat, 03 Oct 1998 11:16:22 -0700 (MST)
Michael Ritchie
Graduate Student
Information Tech/Mng.
Arizona State University
On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, Tony Green wrote:
> We have a small network of Macs and PCs with an NT4 SP3 server with two
> laser printers (HP 4MV and Tektronix Phaser 380) all connected via
> Ethernet. There are print queues set up on the server so that the Mac users
> see a blue spool next to the printer name in the Chooser, and background
> printing is turned off. Everything works fine, except that after a job has
> finished spooling, the Macs can't receive any error messages from the
> printers (out of paper, jam, etc). Is there a better way to implement
> spooling or some way for the printers to communicate with the Macs? Thanks
> in advance for any advice!
>
> Tony Green
>
>
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Marc Bizer (mlbizer@mail.utexas.edu)
Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:24:26 -0500
Why didn't PowerPoint convert the images to gif or jpeg?
>Yeah, that's the way PP does it which is _absolutely_ useless. But with care
>the text need not look terrible...experiment with different font sizes and
>colors.
Do you have any suggestions for good font sizes?
--Marc
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Daly Jessup (jessup@san.rr.com)
Sat, 3 Oct 1998 20:23:35 -0700
> Has anyone had much success with the "Save as HTML" feature in
> PowerPoint 97 for Windows or PP 98 for the Mac? It appears to save
> individual slides as entire graphics, which means that text looks terrible
> in one's web browser.
I agree that PowerPoint's html feature is lame to the point of uselessness.
After trying
making GIFs of every page of a PowerPoint presentation (taking screen shots
then
translating the resulting Pict file into GIF with GraphicConverter) then
putting the GIFs on
custom-made linked html pages (talk about lame! - and I came up with that
procedure
"all by myself"!) - I have concluded that the quickest and most effective
way to get a PowerPoint presentation on the web is to print it to a
postscript file, then turn it into a PDF with Acrobat Pro. Beautiful
results. After making the PDF file, you can open it it Acrobat Exchange and
make thumbnails for navigation through the presenation, and add notes if
you wish, to individual pages.
I learned this on this list, by the way, and am really happy with my
newfound power over PowerPoint.
I was referred to this page, in case you are interested:
http://www.performancegraphics.com/
Daly
<mailto:jessup@san.rr.com>
Daly Jessup
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Danny Thomas (D.Thomas@vthrc.uq.edu.au)
Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:27:27 +1000
>In addition, someone noted a while ago the best graphics format to
>use for the best cross-platform image quality. Was it encapsulated
>postscript? I converted all images to that format using GraphicConverter
>on the Mac, but when I converted my PowerPoint presentation to HTML,
>none of the graphics appeared!
well I think EPS is the best choice for cross platform/application usage,
eg it is much better than the PICT format when cutting/pasting between Mac
applications with some provisos
1) EPS is in general non-editable
2) you only get to see a preview on-screen. The preview is so you
can apply resizing/cropping operations, but the preview is
optional. The real quality of EPS only shows up when you
*print* to a PostScript printer.
EPS is not much use for web-pages, jpeg or tiff are better. Those formats
only handle images, but if your material includes vector graphics (eg lines
with arrows) or text, you might to save as a jpeg at higher resolution than
a monitor screen and go into photoshop or whatever and reduce the dpi. That
has the effect of blurring sharp edges, but better preserves detail and
positioning to a sub-pixel level.
Danny Thomas
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Craig Rash (cRash@pcci.edu)
05 Oct 98 08:44:39 -0500
Craig Rash <cRash@pcci.edu>
Tech Support Coordinator
Pensacola Christian College <http://www.pcci.edu>
Alex Dearden wrote:
>>The other half of ANAT is called Network Assistant. This little tool is a >>great time saver. It allows remote control, remote administration, remote >>software install, screen sharing and many other features. We use this >>not only in our labs but also in our offices, especially on machines in >>other buildings that are hard to get to, on kiosks, even on "trouble" >>users' macs that are just down the hall.
>
>Does it allow administration over the internet (or at least a modem)? Or >do I have to use Apple Remote Access for that?
>
>Alex Dearden
>pata@doglover.com
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USA (RFleming@usa.ibs.org)
Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:53:36 -0600
Ron Fleming
International Bible Society
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Subject: WinMac Digest #96 - 10/03/98
<< Message: >> WinMac Digest #96 - Saturday, October
3, 1998
re TCP printing from NT or Windows box?
by "Danny Thomas" <D.Thomas@vthrc.uq.edu.au>
Re: At ease
by "Alex Dearden" <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
Re: Font Display Differences
by "Alex Dearden" <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
Re: ANAT
by "Alex Dearden" <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
Re: TCP printing from NT or Windows box?
by "Alex Dearden" <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
Re: TCP printing from NT or Windows box?
by "Alex Dearden" <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
PowerPoint98 --> Web
by "Marc Bizer" <mlbizer@mail.utexas.edu>
RE: [WinMac] Re: FTP and Mac
by "David Linsey" <linseyda@pilot.msu.edu>
Re: [WinMac] Re: At ease
by <ProfSci@aol.com>
Re: [WinMac] PowerPoint98 --> Web
by "Bruce Johnson"
<johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
Getting printer status messages
by "Tony Green" <tony.green@worldnet.att.net>
Re: [WinMac] Getting printer status messages
by "Michael Ritchie" <mritchie@asu.edu>
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Blake Lange (Blange@fec.gov)
Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:28:27 +0000
>Marc Bizer wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Has anyone had much success with the "Save as HTML" feature in
>> PowerPoint 97 for Windows or PP 98 for the Mac? It appears to save
>> individual slides as entire graphics, which means that text looks terrible
>> in one's web browser.
>
>Yeah, that's the way PP does it which is _absolutely_ useless. But with care
>the text need not look terrible...experiment with different font sizes and
>colors.
I have used this feature PowerPoint--Saving as HTML--and was puzzled by
how terribly it rendered the pages in a browser. Upon looking at the
parts of the final HTML code and graphic files I found that the graphics
were being scaled by the HTML code. By doing things this way the
conversion process takes place rather quickly because the graphics
manipulation work is not being done then. Instead it is to be done later
by the browser. This is not quite cheating on the part of the code
writers at Microsoft but it does cut corners that shouldn't be cut IMHO.
The disadvantages are that the graphics are larger than they need to be
(causing download times to be too long) and they look bad because web
browsers are not very good at scaling graphics. The good thing about the
process is that it creates a good starting point: it creates all of the
ingredients needed for a pretty nifty portable slide show. If it is a
slide show one plans to use a lot it is probably worth ones while to edit
down the graphics and edit the HTML accordingly, both of which should be
pretty easy to do.
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Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:52:17 -0700
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>To: "The Windows-MacOS cooperation list" <winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu>
>Subject: WinMac Digest #96 - 10/03/98
>Date: Sat, Oct 3, 1998, 5:00 PM
>
>At ease provides an evironment for the user where they are given a folder
>with
>program icons that the user clicks on to launch the programs that they are
>authorized to access. These icons are to be simplistic "unstable" that is,
>they are easily curropted and then diable the user from being able to access
>desired programs. I don't know why this happens, but even Apple (the mfr of
>AtEase) has commented to me on the finicky nature of atease.
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Mike Alexander (mta@umich.edu)
Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:52:58 -0400
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daziz (daziz@sowega.net)
Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:02:03 -0400
on both the Macs and the PCs. If server based, the server should run on
NT. Also nice to have would be:
remote desktop control, hardware inventory ability (ie, it can remotely
tell you the processor, system version, network card, etc)
Anyone have any suggestions?
Debbie A. Aziz
daziz@sowega.net or LibbieC@aol.com
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david (david@dobedoe.demon.co.uk)
Mon, 05 Oct 1998 08:30:16 +0100
I have found that to get drawings and illustrations from Mac's to
Powerpoint on the PC the following set up works quite well.
Scan in in photoshop on the Mac.
Sort image
save as photoshop file
open with grapic converter
save as WMF file
then put onto the PC.
It took us a few hours to work this through, we can't do the artwork on
a PC don't have the hardware or software and the client need the work
bullet proof on a PC
Hope this is useful to somebody;-)
david dobedoe
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Jim Royal (jimr@Eicon.com)
Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:21:00 -0400
> I have found that to get drawings and illustrations from Mac's to
> Powerpoint on the PC the following set up works quite well.
> Scan in in photoshop on the Mac.
> Sort image
> save as photoshop file
> open with grapic converter
> save as WMF file
> then put onto the PC.
>
>
It seems to me that you have an unnecessary step, there. Why convert to WMF
in Graphic Converter if you are saving only bitmapped graphics? Surely,
saving directly to BMP in Photoshop would accomplish exactly the same thing
and save you a step. You could even automate it with Photoshop Actions.
Jim Royal
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Thomas Roth (tomroth@wfubmc.edu)
Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:44:31 -0400
A true WMF is a vector file format though as you've discovered you can put
raster images in there. I'd think a better solution would be to save the
scanned image as a TIF, BMP, JPG and then take that right into PPT on the
PC without having to go through an extra step.
But, another question I have is why does PPT not respect the size of the
image file being imported? Many times when I import a TIF or JPG that's
been sized to say 4"x6" at 300dpi in Photoshop the image once imported into
PPT is much larger and I have to shrink it down to get it back to the 4"x6"
size.
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LaPedis, Ron (ron.lapedis@compaq.com)
Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:10:23 -0700
Ron LaPedis
DISCLAIMER: All personal and professional opinions presented herein are my
own and do not, in any way, represent the opinion or policy of Compaq
Computers.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: daziz [SMTP:daziz@sowega.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 11:02
> To: WinMac
> Subject: [WinMac] Desktop Management programs
>
> We have a mixed network of about 300 Macs and 100 PCs. We are moving
> towards all PCs. We need to get a program that will remotely do:
> software auditing
> Software installs
> software uninstalls
>
> on both the Macs and the PCs. If server based, the server should run on
> NT. Also nice to have would be:
> remote desktop control, hardware inventory ability (ie, it can remotely
> tell you the processor, system version, network card, etc)
>
> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Debbie A. Aziz
> daziz@sowega.net or LibbieC@aol.com
>
>
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Nick Scalise (nicks@radiks.net)
Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:53:24 -0500
Yes! There is an app out on the 'net that will let Win95/98 boxes lpr. It is
called "ACITS lpr" an is available at:
<http://shadowland.hf.utexas.edu/www/acitslpr.htm>
Works pretty well, but Danny Thomas is right about not using extra trays,
and such. Danny is also right about NT having LPR native. You just need to
install Microsoft TCP/IP Printing Services.
Good Luck!
Nick Scalise
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Alex Dearden (pata@tampabay.rr.com)
Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:36:10 -0400
Thanks
Alex Dearden
pata@doglover.com
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Alex Dearden (pata@tampabay.rr.com)
Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:01:12 -0400
If you use the correct PPD for that particular printer you shouldn't have
to edit it, all those choices should be there.
Alex Dearden
pata@doglover.com
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Marcus Sundgren (marcus.sundgren@utv.mh.se)
Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:07:23 +0200
>Thanks to all those who wrote about At Ease. Seems it's not what I need.
>What I want to do is find some software that will provide local security
>for an Appleshare server (kinda like an NT server). Anyone have any
>experiences with such software???
Maybe somethingh like MacPrefect, MacAdmin or FolderBolt would do the
trick for you. That is software that can lock specified folders or
control panels so that only a person with an unlock-diskette can gain
access to them.
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Craig Rash (cRash@pcci.edu)
06 Oct 98 08:17:37 -0500
Craig Rash <cRash@pcci.edu>
Tech Support Coordinator
Pensacola Christian College <http://www.pcci.edu>
Alex Dearden wrote:
>Thanks to all those who wrote about At Ease. Seems it's not what I need. >What I want to do is find some software that will provide local security >for an Appleshare server (kinda like an NT server). Anyone have any >experiences with such software???
>
>Thanks
>
>Alex Dearden
>pata@doglover.com
>
>
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Barry Lockard (barry@bgs.com)
Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:49:53 -0400
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jhrsn (jhrsn@pop.pitt.edu)
Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:12:01 -0400
There are several salient points here:
1. As indicated above, choosing the pixel size and screen coverage (e.g.,
full screen, half screen) in the Powerpoint HTML export wizard has no
effect on the pixel size of the saved image. It merely changes the size
and width attributes of the image tag in the HTML document that calls the
saved images (thus scaling occurs in the browser after the image is
downloaded). The size of the saved images is dependent on the settings in
the page setup dialog--in most cases this means that if a presentation is
created on a large screen monitor and saved as HTML, the resulting image
files will actually be quite large and will be scaled down substantially
for display. IMHO this is an incredible kludge and an indefensible waste
of bandwidth. I don't believe this approach was chosen to make HTML
export faster--rather the intent appears to be to get the product out the
door as fast as possible with the minimum effort necessary to allow a
feature to be displayed in the product's feature chart.
2. The type of scaling required for PP presentations is handled much
better by Internet Explorer than Navigator, at least with respect to
text. Thus presentations exported from PP and displayed unedited in a
browser will typically look much better in Internet Explorer than
Navigator (what a surprise).
I'd urge anyone involved in creating PP presentations for HTML to verify
these issues themselves by reviewing the exported PP images with a
standard bitmapped image viewer such as GraphicConverter or Debabelizer.
These also have batch conversion capabilities that will allow a set of
saved PP images to be scaled as a group to actual display size. Remember
to check or edit the size/width attributes in the corresponding image
tags so that they are correct. Results with this approach are sometimes
acceptable, though text may not be ideal.
Perhaps a better solution is to set a custom document size in the PP page
setup dialog that matches the intended display size. That way the
exported images will be the intended size and text will look good if the
images are displayed at that size. However, I don't know of an easy way
to match the export size choices in the HTML export wizard to the actual
size of the slide--PP will still set the size/width attributes to one of
the limited choices available (which might result in either a scale up or
scale down). I suppose you could set a custom document size that matched,
for example, 800x600 at half screen. However, you will probably still
need to go through the html documents separately and edit or eliminate
the size/width attributes for the main images. BBedit can be very helpful
for this with its grep search and replace across multiple documents.
It is possible to get a nice-looking, compact HTML presentation out of
PP--but it takes a lot more effort than it should.
Jim Harrison
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Univ. of Pittsburgh Health System School of Medicine
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Robert A. Soper (soper@spdc.ti.com)
Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:48:25 -0500
HTH
Robert
soper@ti.com
>Subject: RE: [WinMac] Re: FTP and Mac
>From: "David Linsey" <linseyda@pilot.msu.edu>
>Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:47:08 -0400
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>Well I have been getting lots of suggestions on my FTP situation. To
>refresh, a coworker behind a firewall is having trouble uploading, actually
>he can't. He is using a Mac and Fetch and I am using an IBM with War FTPD
>serving it up. He has his own account and upload/download capabilities in
>the folder he is trying to use. He is able to download ok, but it gives him
>an error when he tries to upload. So far, the best and easiest solution for
>him looks like he needs to setup a FTP server on his computer so that to get
>files we both download instead of somebody uploading. Thanks so far, if any
>other ideas come up, let me know!
>
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David Linsey (linseyda@pilot.msu.edu)
Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:11:52 -0400
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
> [mailto:winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Robert A. Soper
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 10:48 AM
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: [WinMac] Re: FTP and Mac
>
>
>
> One more thing to try on the Mac ftp client is to see if you can
> upload files in "passive" mode. This should work better with
> firewalls and uncooperative servers. In Fetch, passive mode is
> enabled on the Firewall tab in the Preferences dialog.
>
> HTH
>
> Robert
> soper@ti.com
>
>
> >Subject: RE: [WinMac] Re: FTP and Mac
> >From: "David Linsey" <linseyda@pilot.msu.edu>
> >Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:47:08 -0400
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> >Well I have been getting lots of suggestions on my FTP situation. To
> >refresh, a coworker behind a firewall is having trouble
> uploading, actually
> >he can't. He is using a Mac and Fetch and I am using an IBM
> with War FTPD
> >serving it up. He has his own account and upload/download
> capabilities in
> >the folder he is trying to use. He is able to download ok,
> but it gives him
> >an error when he tries to upload. So far, the best and
> easiest solution for
> >him looks like he needs to setup a FTP server on his
> computer so that to get
> >files we both download instead of somebody uploading.
> Thanks so far, if any
> >other ideas come up, let me know!
> >
>
>
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Ethan C. Banks (ebanks@pcci.edu)
Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:27:48 -0500
SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
- Support 500 Mac & Windows clients retrieving/sending 20 messages daily
- Centralized address book
OPTIONAL REQUIREMENTS:
- Forms, such as those provided by CESoft's QuickMail or Microsoft
Exchange
- Groupware functionality for calendar sharing, etc.
We are trying to get away from CESoft's QuickMail LAN/Internet Mail Gateway
package as our needs are beyond its capabilities. Comments on what you are
doing in your cross-platform environment are greatly appreciated.
________________________________________________
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Pensacola Christian College & Related Ministries
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Alex Dearden (pata@tampabay.rr.com)
Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:02:44 -0400
Alex Dearden
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Nishimura, Scott (Scott.Nishimura@trw.com)
Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:27:18 -0700
Wow, someone else who uses QuickMail! We were in the same
position a year ago: we looked at Netscape, Exchange, Groupwise,
and Notes. Exchange was chosen, although it isn't a very good
cross-platform choice: the native Mac client doesn't have
identical functionality and OWA (Outlook Web Access)
has problems of its
own in the email field so we decided to go with OWA for
calendar and Netscape IMAP for mail on the Mac side.
Netscape is a fairly good client but requires more instruction
and hand-holding than we initially thought.
If everyone had a PC, Outlook would be a good choice.
(maybe not the best, but usable). But,
IMHO, it leaves a lot to be desired from a cross-platform
point of view.
(these comments are based on testing I did in June; since
then, MS has released service pack 1 for Exchange server
which may alter some or all of the above, especially the
comments about native Mac client and OWA functionality.)
Scott
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ethan C. Banks [mailto:ebanks@pcci.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 8:28 AM
> Subject: E-Mail System Research
>
>
> I am researching a new e-mail system for our mixed Macintosh
> and Windows
> user base.
>
> SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
> - Support 500 Mac & Windows clients retrieving/sending 20
> messages daily
> - Centralized address book
>
> OPTIONAL REQUIREMENTS:
> - Forms, such as those provided by CESoft's QuickMail or Microsoft
> Exchange
> - Groupware functionality for calendar sharing, etc.
>
> We are trying to get away from CESoft's QuickMail
> LAN/Internet Mail Gateway
> package as our needs are beyond its capabilities. Comments
> on what you are
> doing in your cross-platform environment are greatly appreciated.
>
> ________________________________________________
> Ethan C. Banks - Network Engineer
> Pensacola Christian College & Related Ministries
>
>
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Phillip Corchary (corchary@apple.com)
Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:45:14 -0600
open-standards email system. This means one that not only supports but is
actually at it's core an SMTP mail router with either POP or IMAP4 as client
protocols. To get a central directory, you can implement an LDAP directory.
Before I started my current job, I worked on a number of email projects, all
using proprietary mail systems, and supporting from 1000 to 60,000 clients
(Mac and PC). And I found that while there are special features, such as
those you mention, like forms, calendaring, etc. in many of the proprietary
systems, the trade off is that you are tied to one vendor and their support
and product paths (or lack there of). Also, you generally have to employ
additional gateways to exchange email with other systems (Internet, other
internal systems you may have, etc.)
OTOH, SMTP mail system (IMO) are the only mail system that can easily scale
from small systems (a few dozen users) to very large scale systems
(thousands, tens of thousands or more). And since SMTP is what all Internet
mail is based on, you will have fewer problems exchanging email with those
outside of your environment. Plus if you implement an open standards system
you can choose from a variety of client software on all platforms.
There are many ways to run an SMTP/POP/IMAP system. An UNIX (including
Linux) on either PowerPC or Intel hardware would work well for which there
are many flavors of email software, both public domain and commercial. Most
of the proprietary systems like Exchange support Internet standard mail, but
it's not a core function - it's an add-on and either costs additional money,
or introduces additional complexity and latency into mail delivery.
Of course I would be remiss if I didn't briefly mention that Apple
Computer's AppleShare IP 6 server is an SMTP mail server that supports POP
and IMAP client protocols.
DISCLAIMER: All personal and professional opinions presented herein are my
own and do not, in any way, represent the opinion or policy of Apple
Computer, Inc.
Phillip Corchary, Sr. Systems Engineer
Apple Computer, Inc., Denver CO
corchary@apple.com / 303-202-9883
Whatąs twice as bright and twice as sharp as a regular monitor? The Apple
Studio Display! With a viewable area equivalent to a 17" monitor displaying
up to 1024x768 itąs only 4" thick and 12 lbs.! Visit
<http://www.apple.com/displays/studio/> for details.
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Ethan C. Banks (ebanks@pcci.edu)
Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:52:39 -0500
When our users compose an e-mail message, they want to pick recipients from
a list, as opposed to the typical "query for the one you want & then add
them to your local address book scheme" that seems prevalent at this time.
If you are aware of an standards-based address book that works via LDAP (or
possibly ACAP?) that allows the user to remain uninvolved in the cognitive
process, I would indeed like to explore that avenue.
I have the same concerns about proprietary solutions such as Exchange that
you mentioned, so if you have further comments that would propel me in the
standards-based direction, let me know. Thanks for sharing your time.
________________________________________________
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Pensacola Christian College & Related Ministries
> To get a central directory, you can implement an LDAP directory.
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Belinda J. Wagner Ph.D. (bwagner@wfubmc.edu)
Wed, 7 Oct 98 14:18:58 -0500
>So far, the best and easiest solution for
>him looks like he needs to setup a FTP server on his computer so that to get
>files we both download instead of somebody uploading. Thanks so far, if any
>other ideas come up, let me know!
You know, there is another alternative. Geocities has a Virtual Office
service that is great for people who need to upload/download documents
to/from each other -- it's CHEAP $49.99 first YEAR and $19.95 after that.
Netscape offers a similar service, but it's more expensive. Might solve
your cross-platform and firewall difficulties easier and cheaper than
setting up a server.
Folders can be made public or private -- password-protected. Seems like
enough security from what you describe.
Cheers!
Belinda J. Wagner, Ph.D. voice: (336) 716-2992
Research Assistant Professor fax: (336) 716-6642
Department of Plastic Surgery
Wake Forest Univ. School of Medicine email: bwagner@wfubmc.edu
Medical Center Blvd.
Winston-Salem, NC 27157
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Ethan C. Banks (ebanks@pcci.edu)
Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:35:58 -0500
One issue I have run into is the evaluation of Microsoft Exchange. I need
the latest Macintosh Outlook client for Exchange, and can't find it. Any
pointers on where I can download this, or is it buried in some obscure place
on the Exchange 5.5 CD?
TIA...
________________________________________________
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Pensacola Christian College & Related Ministries
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Darryl Lee (lee@darryl.com)
Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:34:28 -0700 (PDT)
> You know, there is another alternative. Geocities has a Virtual Office
> service that is great for people who need to upload/download documents
> to/from each other -- it's CHEAP $49.99 first YEAR and $19.95 after that.
> Netscape offers a similar service, but it's more expensive. Might solve
> your cross-platform and firewall difficulties easier and cheaper than
> setting up a server.
>
> Folders can be made public or private -- password-protected. Seems like
> enough security from what you describe.
Geocities and Netscape both use the same software: Virtual Office.
There's also an iMac Virtual Office, as well as an Earthlink Virtual
Office. Not sure on all the pricing differences, although it says
the iMac site is available free to the first 100,000 iMac owners
that sign up. How do they check to see if you have an iMac? i
dunno. >:}
Anyways, it's from the folks at Netopia (formerly Farallon). [Full
disclosure: My brother works for the Virtual Office division of
Netopia.] The link is www.netopia.com, but more specifically, take a
look at: http://www.netopia.com/software/nvo/
Good to see that they finally have a Mac version. (Six months ago,
they didn't. i think you could still upload, but you didn't have
access to the fancier conferencing and chatting options.)
Oh, another company that has a similar product (but it's PC only) is
www.visto.com. [More full disclosure: i play ultimate frisbee with
one of the engineers at this company.]
Anyways, interesting stuff, and you can try 'em all out for free. :}
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Jim Royal (jimr@Eicon.com)
Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:55:58 -0400
> One issue I have run into is the evaluation of Microsoft Exchange. I need
> the latest Macintosh Outlook client for Exchange, and can't find it. Any
> pointers on where I can download this, or is it buried in some obscure
> place
> on the Exchange 5.5 CD?
>
>
The latest Mac client for Exchange Server can be found at:
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/exchange/exchange-public/fixes/Eng/Exchg5.5/S
p1/Mac/
This is Outlook 8.01. Not bad. Not great. Does not have the same feature
set as the Windows version.
Personally, I think this is one of the things Microsoft should fix
immediately, if they are serious about continuing to improve their Mac
software. Maybe we can convince Steve to give Bill one of his famous phone
calls...?
Jim Royal
Technical Publications
"Understanding is a three-edged sword"
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Darryl Lee (lee@darryl.com)
Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:05:04 -0700 (PDT)
> Netopia Virtual Office Plug-ins and ActiveX controls only work with
> browsers running under Windows 95 or Windows NT 4.0. All other
> browsers will still be able to visit the Virtual Office, but won't be
> able to use the Conference Room, or be able to send files to the
> office owner using In Basket or Out Basket.
>
> Other platforms are currently being developed.
Now, i just signed up an iMac Virtual Office (www.mynvo.com), and they
allowed me to download a Macintosh version of the client software...
On the other hand, the actual site: http://www.mynvo.com/notyou/
doesn't have a page to upload files to, as there is in my Geocities
page: http://www.netopia.geocities.com/notyoutoo/
Now... will this work with the Geocities V.O.? Who knows? But it's
probably worth playing with. (i don't have a Mac here at work so i
can't test it.)
And oh, i looked into pricing:
iMac: FREE to the first 100,000 that sign up.
Netscape: $199.50/year
Earthlink: $29.95/year
Geocities: $49.95/first year, $19.95/year thereafter
Netscape, Earthlink, and Geocities all claim that they only work with
95/NT 4.0.
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Wed, 07 Oct 1998 16:49:30 -0400
I would side with the author that suggested an Internet standards based
POP3 & SMTP server. Microsoft Exchange Server, with it's complicated
database functions, can be a REAL bear when something goes wrong. And, the
Help System & documentation is quite poor when compared to NT/Server 4.0.
How do I know this? I was working on a haywire Exchange server until 4AM
this morning at a customer's site! :(
At 01:35 PM 10/7/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I've received many valuable commentaries on people's experiences with
>cross-platform mail systems. Keep them coming if you care to comment
>further.
>
>One issue I have run into is the evaluation of Microsoft Exchange. I need
>the latest Macintosh Outlook client for Exchange, and can't find it. Any
>pointers on where I can download this, or is it buried in some obscure place
>on the Exchange 5.5 CD?
>
>TIA...
>
>________________________________________________
>Ethan C. Banks - Network Engineer
>Pensacola Christian College & Related Ministries
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Cline Design (cline@olympus.net)
Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:36:24 -0700
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Prof. Dr. Wolfram F. Neiss (neiss.anatomie@uni-koeln.de)
Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:58:19 +0200
Dear David,
the German software company Application Systems Heidelberg (ASH, in
Atari business since 1987) offers a professional ATARI emulator _both_
for Mac and PC: Magic Mac 6.0.1 and Magic PC 6.0 (demo for download at
http://ash.sww.net).
These programs provide the same user surface as an ATARI running Magic
6.0, which is a stable and fast preemptive multitasking OS for all 68k
Ataris. Hence any Atari program that has been correctly written
according to TOS instructions and does not use direct "illegal" access
to specific hardware features of the computer, will run under Magic on
all 3 platforms identically.
I have used MagicMac now for 3 years in parallel to Atari TT and ST
computers. It works stable and really _very_ fast on a Mac PPC 7500 with
604e/166CPU and is reported even faster on G3 Macs.
Magic Mac 6.0.1 is compatible with MacOS 8.1 (own experience) and with
HFS-Plus (not yet tested myself). E.g. the text processing software
Signum 4.4 (also made by ASH), which typesets latin, greek, kyrillic,
hebreic, arabic (from right to left), hungul (from Thailand) and
possibly some more languages, runs subjectively judged about 3-4 times
faster on my Mac´s screen display than Word98.
Using Magic for Atari, Magic Mac or Magic PC, installation of NVDI 5
(distributed by ASH) is strongly recommended. NVDI is a kind of
TOS-plugin that dramatically accelerates graphic output on screen and in
print.
Good success!
Wolfram
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Jeremy (lists-for-dmi@clear.net.nz)
Wed, 07 Oct 1998 23:16:50 +1200
I have Outlook Express 4.0.1 on the Macintosh and wish to use my VeriSign
Digital Signature. The Verisign website has instructions for using
digital
signatures with Outlook Express 4.0 and above on Windows, but the options
and Tools menus on the Mac do not offer the same choices.
Has anyone got experience with using Verisign on OE4 for the Mac?
Thanks
Jeremy
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Landis Arnold (landisa@ibm.net)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:59:38 -0600
-----Original Message-----
From: Ethan C. Banks [SMTP:ebanks@pcci.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 11:53 AM
To: 'The Windows-MacOS cooperation list'
Subject: RE: [WinMac] Re: E-Mail System Research
Phillip, my concern with using LDAP as a directory is that we haven't found
a client/server combination that creates an address book automagically for
the user. There are several applications that offer a slick interface to
LDAP, but I haven't run across anything that uses LDAP in the background to
keep a more or less "centralized" address book that the user doesn't have
to
worry about.
When our users compose an e-mail message, they want to pick recipients from
a list, as opposed to the typical "query for the one you want & then add
them to your local address book scheme" that seems prevalent at this time.
If you are aware of an standards-based address book that works via LDAP (or
possibly ACAP?) that allows the user to remain uninvolved in the cognitive
process, I would indeed like to explore that avenue.
I have the same concerns about proprietary solutions such as Exchange that
you mentioned, so if you have further comments that would propel me in the
standards-based direction, let me know. Thanks for sharing your time.
________________________________________________
Ethan C. Banks - Network Engineer
Pensacola Christian College & Related Ministries
> To get a central directory, you can implement an LDAP directory.
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Landis Arnold (landisa@ibm.net)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:29:06 -0600
Landis Arnold
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Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 1:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [WinMac] cross platform graphics
But, another question I have is why does PPT not respect the size of the
image file being imported? Many times when I import a TIF or JPG that's
been sized to say 4"x6" at 300dpi in Photoshop the image once imported into
PPT is much larger and I have to shrink it down to get it back to the 4"x6"
size.
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Jeroen Camstra (jeroenc@BIGFOOT.COM)
Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:58:45 +0200
How can I get an overview of the user & group rights (I don't know if this
is the right English term, I only know the Dutch one) for all the folders
on my Appleshare server version 4.02? I can ofcourse look at all the
folders one by one and write it down, but that would be to much work.
I'm asking this because the files from this server need to be transferred
to another server, in another folder structure with other user & group
names (so just simple copying is not possible). But all the users (with
their new username) must still be able to access their files after the
transfer.
With regards,
Jeroen Camstra
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Thomas Roth (tomroth@wfubmc.edu)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:01:37 -0400
From: Landis Arnold <landisa@ibm.net>
>Re the sizing issue, I don't have PPT, but none the less it seems that
>Power Point is assuming that the file is set for Screen Presentation and is
>therefore making it scal to 72 DPI. In my understanding the relative
>"size" in inches, and the "size" in DPI, are pretty much relative... and
>that the real measurement of most pictures are the "pixels" themselves. If
>a file is 36 DPI and measures 2" x 2" on a screen, my guess is that PP
>would scale it up to 72 DPI and drop it down to about 1 x 1"... Most Web
>Graphics and "Screen Graphics" in general do not need to have more dpi than
>72 if built right.. We usually use more DPI because of printing needs where
>fundamental resolution rather than display speed are important.
>My thoughts about it anyway.
That's probably what's it's doing as I'm using putting in higher rez photos
to go to slides and thus am always having to scale the image down within
PPT but the resolution is there so the slides look good. Most "real"
graphics programs (like Freehand or PageMaker for example) don't mess with
the file that's imported but respect whatever size you have it at.
And your guess it probably right in that PPT is working with the idea of an
on-screen presentation where 72dpi is the norm. Still, it shouldn't do
that!
______________________________________________________________________
Tom Roth Wake Forest University School of Medicine
tomroth@wfubmc.edu Dept of Biomedical Communications
Tel 336.716.4493 Medical Center Blvd
Fax 336.716.2808 Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1011
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:26:07 -0400
>After making the PDF file, you can open it it Acrobat Exchange and
>make thumbnails for navigation through the presenation, and add notes if
>you wish, to individual pages.
>
There's also a free plug-in from Adobe called Acrobat Presenter
that turns Acrobat Exchange into a "slide show" program for your PDF
file(s). This is what I use when I do presentations at trade shows, etc.
Leonard
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:29:30 -0400
Leonard
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Cyndi L. Jacobs (cjacobs@sewanee.edu)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:38:32 -0500
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Mr Stux (stux@mactrix.com)
Thu, 8 Oct 98 23:43:57 +1000
Any normal program is going to display a pixel per pixel... especially
screen presentation programs... well...
If you were to scale the image back again 4.16 times.. or to 24% then you
should get the 300dpi image at 72dpi... and it should print out at a nice
quality...
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Al Hartman (alhartman@mci2000.com)
Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:01:22 -0400
I work for CompUSA here in Phila, PA.
Yesterday a customer came into the store looking for an Ethernet Card for
her Performa 6400.
Unfortunately we didn't stock any Mac specific cards. Does anyone on this
list know if any of the PC-Based PCI Internet cards would work?
We carry:
Intel
3Com
SMC
Linksys
Netopia
IBM
Any help would be appreciated. Also, any recommendations on a Mac-Specific
Card would be helpful as well.
Regards,
Al Hartman
http://members.aol.com/ahartmanjr
This page will save your life...
http://www.wayimmune.org/index.html
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Mr Stux (stux@mactrix.com)
Fri, 9 Oct 98 00:08:44 +1000
I had probelms with D-link and can't recommend them...
Check the card vendors web sites to see if they have drivers for macs
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Craig Rash (cRash@pcci.edu)
08 Oct 98 09:20:51 -0500
Craig Rash <cRash@pcci.edu>
Tech Support Coordinator
Pensacola Christian College <http://www.pcci.edu>
Mr Stux wrote:
>>Any help would be appreciated. Also, any recommendations on a Mac-Specific
>>Card would be helpful as well.
>I have found the MacSense cards to be great...
>
>I had probelms with D-link and can't recommend them...
>
>Check the card vendors web sites to see if they have drivers for macs
>
>
>--
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> CYA STUX =`B^) \ The Land Down Under /
> 'da Captain & Last *-fytr
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> would be doing that instead of being a reporter)" - D.K.Every, MacKiDo
>
>
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Thomas Roth (tomroth@wfubmc.edu)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:40:23 -0400
>From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@Adobe.COM>
>Or just print direct through PDFWriter, depending on your needs.
>There's also a free plug-in from Adobe called Acrobat Presenter
>that turns Acrobat Exchange into a "slide show" program for your PDF
>file(s). This is what I use when I do presentations at trade shows, etc.
Leonard,
I've been using the old Distiller 2.1 for a couple of years and just a few
weeks ago bought the whole Acrobat package (3.0) that also has the
PDFWriter. The PDFWriter is quicker to use since it makes the PDF file
right then and there in one easy step where the Distiller requires me to
make a PostScript file first which is what I'm used to doing.
I even once exported a Freehand file to EPS and then Distilled that and it
seemed to work fine. The time before that I printed the Freehand file to a
PostScript file and that worked too.
My question then is when do I know which route to use to get to PDF? Most
of the time I'm converting PageMaker files and so I've been using the
Export to PDF function and then Distilling to get the PDF. Some of our
designers want to be able to make PDFs of their work so they can email
their clients an electronic proof and it seems the PDFWriter might be
easier and quicker for them.
______________________________________________________________________
Tom Roth Wake Forest University School of Medicine
tomroth@wfubmc.edu Dept of Biomedical Communications
Tel 336.716.4493 Medical Center Blvd
Fax 336.716.2808 Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1011
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:50:10 -0400
PDFWriter is a Quickdraw/GDI-based printer driver, meaning that
your graphics are limited to the features and capabilities of the OS. So
if your output doesn't need all the bells/whistles of Postscript, then use
PDFWriter.
However, if you want the BEST output possible in your PDF files,
your best best is to print to Postscript and then have run that through
Distiller (either manually or automatically with Laserwriter 8.x - if
you're on a Mac).
>Most
>of the time I'm converting PageMaker files and so I've been using the
>Export to PDF function and then Distilling to get the PDF.
>
Which is fine, because that way you'll get the best looking output
from PM since it can take advantage of the PS output. One other advantage
of using PM's "Export to PDF" feature, rather than direct printing, is that
PM will add in "extras" to the PDF file such as live Hyperlinks and other
annotations.
>Some of our
>designers want to be able to make PDFs of their work so they can email
>their clients an electronic proof and it seems the PDFWriter might be
>easier and quicker for them.
>
I would say that for most proofs, you'd probably be fine with
PDFWriter. (but don't forget you still need to buy one copy per
workstation)
Leonard
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Ari Davidow (ari@ivritype.com)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:51:40 -0400
I haven't used PDFWriter in a while, but my experience on both
Mac and Windows, was that it do a very poor job of handlng graphics.
I would not use it in any case that included anything other than text.
But, even though I =thought= I tested this again with version 3.0,
I can't swear that I did, so if someone knows to th contrary, they're
probably right.
ari
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Mr Stux (stux@mactrix.com)
Fri, 9 Oct 98 01:06:19 +1000
Sure they're big but by gollly... it beats saving as text! or source...
I think in MacOS 8.5 Sherlock can also index PDF files... is this true?
or is it just being silly and indexing a whole pile of PS commands?
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LaPedis, Ron (ron.lapedis@compaq.com)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:10:54 -0700
Ron LaPedis
DISCLAIMER: All personal and professional opinions presented herein are my
own and do not, in any way, represent the opinion or policy of Compaq
Computers.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ari Davidow [SMTP:ari@ivritype.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 07:52
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: Re: [WinMac] PDFWriter vs. Distiller
>
> >My question then is when do I know which route to use to get to PDF?
> Most
> >of the time I'm converting PageMaker files and so I've been using the
> >Export to PDF function and then Distilling to get the PDF. Some of our
> >designers want to be able to make PDFs of their work so they can email
> >their clients an electronic proof and it seems the PDFWriter might be
> >easier and quicker for them.
>
> I haven't used PDFWriter in a while, but my experience on both
> Mac and Windows, was that it do a very poor job of handlng graphics.
> I would not use it in any case that included anything other than text.
>
> But, even though I =thought= I tested this again with version 3.0,
> I can't swear that I did, so if someone knows to th contrary, they're
> probably right.
>
> ari
>
> Ari Davidow
> ari@ivritype.com
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Parker, Douglas (douglas.parker@lmco.com)
Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:11:24 -0400
I have hundreds of Mac SW titles that I want to transfer to WIN95 or WINNT
wherever possible. Some companies will allow cross-platform swaps at an
upgrade price. Some (e.g. Quark) definitely won't allow cross-platform swaps
as upgrades, and I'm forced to purchase new licenses for the Win systems.
I still have to contact my primary SW source, Adobe, directly.
How have your cross-platform software upgrades gone?
I've set my Reply To: address to reply to the group and myself.
DP
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Thomas Roth (tomroth@wfubmc.edu)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:14:54 -0400
>From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@Adobe.COM>
>Ah, an easy question ;).
>
>PDFWriter is a Quickdraw/GDI-based printer driver, meaning that your
>graphics are limited to the features and capabilities of the OS. So
>if your output doesn't need all the bells/whistles of Postscript, then
>use PDFWriter.
>
>However, if you want the BEST output possible in your PDF files,
>your best best is to print to Postscript and then have run that through
>Distiller (either manually or automatically with Laserwriter 8.x - if
>you're on a Mac).
Since most of the PageMaker files have EPS graphics imported into them
sounds like I'd better stick with Distiller.
>>Most of the time I'm converting PageMaker files and so I've been
>>using the Export to PDF function and then Distilling to get the PDF.
>
>Which is fine, because that way you'll get the best looking output
>from PM since it can take advantage of the PS output. One other advantage
>of using PM's "Export to PDF" feature, rather than direct printing, is that
>PM will add in "extras" to the PDF file such as live Hyperlinks and other
>annotations.
I noticed that you can override Distiller's default settings so I figured
it must be adding extra information to the PS file.
I'm going to be attending GraphExpo in Chicago at the end of this month and
will be taking a couple of PDF seminars when I'm there. Maybe after that
I'll understand it all better.
>>Some of our designers want to be able to make PDFs of their work so they
>>can email their clients an electronic proof and it seems the PDFWriter
>>might be easier and quicker for them.
>
>I would say that for most proofs, you'd probably be fine with
>PDFWriter.
But since most of the PageMaker files they'll be working on will have EPS
graphics imported into them sounds like they'd better go with Distiller.
>(but don't forget you still need to buy one copy per workstation)
Oh I'm sure that an Adobe product on a Mac platform wouldn't let me run
more then one serial number without letting me know that! :) Besides, we
have a computer store right here on campus and so we can get the
educational pricing on most software.
Thanks!
______________________________________________________________________
Tom Roth Wake Forest University School of Medicine
tomroth@wfubmc.edu Dept of Biomedical Communications
Tel 336.716.4493 Medical Center Blvd
Fax 336.716.2808 Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1011
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Chris Morin (eemmbb@mixcom.com)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:21:31 -0500
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:45:36 -0400
As I mentioned before, since PDFWriter is a QD/GDI driver, all
bitmapped graphics will end up getting converted to native format
(PICT/WMF) by the application in order to send them to the driver AND THEN
PDFWriter needs to convert them BACK to something it can digest (JPEG, I
think).
In the case of vector graphics, they should come out pretty well
since PDFWriter converts to the QD/GDI command to the equivalent PS command
- but you do lose PS resolution.
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Darryl Lee (lee@darryl.com)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:26:49 -0700 (PDT)
i believe that the Santorini Server Manager gives you access to this
information. It used to come "free" with some book on managing
AppleShare servers. There's more info at:
http://www.santorinicd.com/
Hrm. Too bad that nobody has hacked MacPerl to give it access to the
Users/Groups info. (The NT version has this, so you can build your
own tools.)
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Curtis Wilcox (cwcx@uhura.cc.rochester.edu)
Thu, 08 Oct 1998 15:39:19 -0400
As long the text in the PDF is actually text not a graphical representation
of text (like a page scanned w/o OCR), you can already search the contents
of a PDF in the Mac's Find File by holding down the option key before
clicking the menu for search criteria (hold down Option adds 'contents'
'visibility' and a couple others). A contents search will check the
contents of every data fork for text to compare to the keywords you typed
in. Sherlock's indexing will just make the use of a contents search much
faster.
Windows users can do the same thing with files including PDFs by going to
the 'Advanced' tab in the Find window and typing in whatever in the
"Containing text:" field.
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Curtis Wilcox (cwcx@uhura.cc.rochester.edu)
Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:02:23 -0400
Netscape Communicator's Messenger Mailbox may be capable of doing this. In
the Directory section of preferences is says "When searching directories,
search for items using these directories in the following order:" then it
lists the Personal Address Book then all the public directory sites
(Four11, Bigfoot, etc.) If you added your ldap to the list and put it at
the top, perhaps it could work much like the Personal Address Book does. I
don't have an LDAP server to try it with (it sure won't work with the big
public ones).
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Curtis Wilcox (cwcx@uhura.cc.rochester.edu)
Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:56:19 -0400
Wow, First Class, I hadn't thought about that. I'm attending distance
learning classes which use First Class as the main communication tool. You
couldn't ask for anything better in an addressing system. However it has a
few drawbacks. Here are some humble opinions:
Proprietary
The whole thing is proprietary so you're pretty much stuck using either the
First Class client on each computer (with some exceptions like BulkRate) or
a command line interface ::shudder::. Its mail system is proprietary so
you're dealing with a gateway for all the mail. It usually works well but
it can be a source of problems, particularly sending attachments to the
internet. The address book is proprietary so you cann't use a different
client for that or synch it with other directory systems (like LDAP).
Live connections/supportable load
You can use First Class in a go online, upload mail, download mail, go
offline way but that's not really compatible with the "live addressbook"
you conceive of. That means up to 500 simultaneous connections to the First
Class server for extended periods of time. I'm not sure it can handle that
kind of load and I don't know that it can be clustered. If they measure
loads in kilobytes (of server RAM) per user online it's probably doable if
they measure it in megabytes, that's trouble.
Reliability
It's just not as stable as many SMTP/POP or IMAP options but if you don't
require 24/7 uptime, that may not be an issue. Some people complain about
the stability of this or that product but if you have from 6pm 'til 6am the
next day to work on it, as far as the user is concerned the system may
never be down.
On the plus side:
The Mac & Win software are very very similar.
You can do forms and all kinds of nice looking messaging internally (fonts,
colors, etc.).
The interface has some quirks but in general it's very natural for a GUI user.
It was/is a BBS so you can set up conference areas with message threading
for different groups, file downloading areas, and live text chatting (which
can really be a productive tool).
Actually there may be a way around using the First Class client software. I
heard there's a web interface in beta which would be really strange but
potentially useful especially if it doesn't require plugins or Java.
Again because if its BBS roots, for off-campus use you can set it up with a
modem pool and have people dial in directly to the server or use it over
TCP/IP through a PPP connection (naturally you'd use TCP/IP on campus).
Like IMAP everything is kept on the server side (primarily) so people can
log in from any computer and use all their own stuff.
I wouldn't be surprise if SoftArc has a calendaring component but I haven't
seen it.
You only pay by the number of simultaneous connections so if the go
online/go offline method works it could be pretty economical.
I think I'm in the SMTP/IMAP/LDAP camp. If you've got the expertise you can
piece it together on a UNIX system or buy it put together by Netscape.
Netscape has it's problems but so much of what they do follows (or even
leads) internet standards that it's much easier to go to someone else for
pieces or the whole thing if you switch later. Start planning now for how
you'll go from this system to the next one.
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Kyle Johnson (kyle.johnson@duke.edu)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:32:06 -0400
Chris,
There are two routes you can go. If you enable AFP services on the Netware
box then you can access the Netware server just like any other Mac server
through the chooser. However, you can't get authenticaed to the tree this
way.
If you want to have "more full" access to the Netware services, you'll want
to install Netware for Macintosh, which allows you to authenticate to the
tree and access printers, file servers, etc just as if you were a PC client
(ie there is no configuration necessary of the server). For info on the
IntraNetware client for MacOS, go to:
<http://www.novell.com/intranetware/products/clients/clientmac/index.html>
Here's the hitch though. I don't know if the current Netware for Mac
client will work with Netware5. Novell has sourced their mac client
development to Prosoft, and I don't think they have released a Netware5
client. The press release about this agreement (which inlucdes a link to
the prosoft site) is at:
<http://www.novell.com/press/archive/1998/07/pr98080.html>
Kyle
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Mr Stux (stux@mactrix.com)
Fri, 9 Oct 98 10:55:54 +1000
These days its come along way but still has many of the original
problems! But they mean more today :)
>Proprietary
BIG PROBLEM. Altho you can now get access to alot of nifty things using
the FCIS API it still is totally non standard... altho this has its good
points, because the standard is a lowest common denominator.
>
>Live connections/supportable load
Hmmmm....
You can cluster it... it supports a gateway mechanism... directory
sharing etc... you can have live links between servers with near instant
replication, you'ld be talking propogation delays of a couple of seconds
MAX
BUT FCIS can be expensive... well it used to be alot cheaper when they
had hobbiest licensing :(, don't see many FC BBi these days :(
>
>Reliability
>It's just not as stable as many SMTP/POP or IMAP options but if you don't
>require 24/7 uptime, that may not be an issue. Some people complain about
>the stability of this or that product but if you have from 6pm 'til 6am the
>next day to work on it, as far as the user is concerned the system may
>never be down.
I've been on FCs which have been up for years. FCIS can be very stable.
The trick is to have a server which is totally dedicated... If you split
your network into separate servers for each division you don't need the
latest powermac to handle and extremely large load... Its very impressive
in that regard
>
>On the plus side:
>The Mac & Win software are very very similar.
Latest ability is FCIS RAD (Rapid Application Development) think Visual
Basic for FCIS...
>You can do forms and all kinds of nice looking messaging internally (fonts,
>colors, etc.).
>The interface has some quirks but in general it's very natural for a GUI
>user.
>It was/is a BBS so you can set up conference areas with message threading
>for different groups, file downloading areas, and live text chatting (which
>can really be a productive tool).
>Actually there may be a way around using the First Class client software. I
>heard there's a web interface in beta which would be really strange but
>potentially useful especially if it doesn't require plugins or Java.
>Again because if its BBS roots, for off-campus use you can set it up with a
>modem pool and have people dial in directly to the server or use it over
>TCP/IP through a PPP connection (naturally you'd use TCP/IP on campus).
>Like IMAP everything is kept on the server side (primarily) so people can
>log in from any computer and use all their own stuff.
>I wouldn't be surprise if SoftArc has a calendaring component but I haven't
>seen it.
>You only pay by the number of simultaneous connections so if the go
>online/go offline method works it could be pretty economical.
Hmmmm, I think you also pay for each user that has a mailbox. Have to
look into this again, we never went beyong the FCIS Demo as it was just
tooo expensive :( (local BBS)
>
>I think I'm in the SMTP/IMAP/LDAP camp. If you've got the expertise you can
>piece it together on a UNIX system or buy it put together by Netscape.
>Netscape has it's problems but so much of what they do follows (or even
>leads) internet standards that it's much easier to go to someone else for
>pieces or the whole thing if you switch later. Start planning now for how
Like was said before... I would like to implement an LDAP system, but at
the moment I don't think its quite there yet. I'll just keep a replicated
address book for now. :)
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Phillip Corchary (corchary@apple.com)
Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:36:44 -0600
Well, client implementations vary. For instance, if you use MS Outlook
Express, it works very much like the full MS Exchange/Outlook in that you
simply type the names of your intended recipients, separated by commas and
click SEND ... then the client checks those names against your default LDAP
server. If the client finds multiple names that correspond, it give you a
list to pick from.
Most of the new email systems work in some fashion like this, not like the
old MS Mail and Quickmail where you get a list of users and you pick the
ones that you want....
>I have the same concerns about proprietary solutions such as Exchange that
>you mentioned, so if you have further comments that would propel me in the
>standards-based direction, let me know. Thanks for sharing your time.
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CHoogendyk@aol.com
Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:54:27 EDT
>Are there any LAN administrators out there who have any G3 macs on a
>NetWare 4.x or newer network? I want to put a G3 on our network (we are
>upgrading to NetWare 5.0) but just want to make sure it will work well. I
>plan to add VirualPC running NT workstation so I can run the NetWare admin.
>utilities. Any comments?
>Thanks.
>Chris Morin
That's funny. I (Chris Hoogendyk) am about to do the exact same thing. I saw
one of the replies, addressed to Chris, and I thought, "wait a minute, did I
post that? I thought I was just thinking about posting that."
My G3 is on order. I and the LAN administrator for the UMass Library in
Amherst. We have two Novell 4.10 servers, 3 DEC Alphas, 1 Sun, 1 VAX, and 2 NT
servers. The library as a whole is totally PC, and is just converting from
Windows 3.11 to Windows NT. I figured I could do a better job of administering
that mottly collection if I had a Mac.
We should stay in touch and trade war stories.
I will also be getting eXodus from White Pine to access the Unix servers
through X-Windows. I have BBEdit and all the graphics tools and will be
getting involved in our Web presence.
Chris Hoogendyk
Network Specialist
W.E.B. Du Bois Library
UMass, Amherst
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Beth Ernst (fastline@ntr.net)
Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:53:39 +0100
I realize the obvious solution would be to rewrite the software, that is
being done, but in the meantime we have deadlines to meet and need some
additional copies. What we are needing to do is find someone who has
some
old versions of Quark they are willing to sell. Maybe they have switched
to
Adobe Pagemaker and don't need Quark anymore. (Given the arrogance of
Quark, I wouldn't be surprised. They want more for the older version of
Quark then the 4.0!)
If anyone has a copy they are willing to sell or know of anywhere to
look
please let me know. Thanks!
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Belinda J. Wagner Ph.D. (bwagner@wfubmc.edu)
Fri, 9 Oct 98 11:19:21 -0500
>Just a follow-up. i was looking at my own "evaluation" Geocities
>Netopia Virtual Office, and it looks like you need a plug-in to upload
>files to a Geocities NVO account. And yup, that plug-in is Windows
>only. >:P
Thanks Darryl, for the additional info. I looked into these sites for
Windows clients, so the Mac side functionality had not come into my radar
range, yet. Good stuff to know.
Perhaps a little Evangelista advocacy is needed here??
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Research Assistant Professor fax: (336) 716-6642
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Wake Forest Univ. School of Medicine email: bwagner@wfubmc.edu
Medical Center Blvd.
Winston-Salem, NC 27157
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Sam Heldenbrand (SHeldenbrand@Eisenbrauns.com)
Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:44:13 -0500
sam
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> ----------
> From: Ethan C. Banks
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 1998 3:27 PM
> Subject: E-Mail System Research
>
> I am researching a new e-mail system for our mixed Macintosh and
> Windows
> user base.
>
> SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
> - Support 500 Mac & Windows clients retrieving/sending 20 messages
> daily
> - Centralized address book
>
> OPTIONAL REQUIREMENTS:
> - Forms, such as those provided by CESoft's QuickMail or Microsoft
> Exchange
> - Groupware functionality for calendar sharing, etc.
>
> We are trying to get away from CESoft's QuickMail LAN/Internet Mail
> Gateway
> package as our needs are beyond its capabilities. Comments on what
> you are
> doing in your cross-platform environment are greatly appreciated.
>
> ________________________________________________
> Ethan C. Banks - Network Engineer
> Pensacola Christian College & Related Ministries
>
>
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Stefan Curl (scurl@shaman-update.com)
Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:03:27 -0700
One idea we're considering is to mount the volume on a PC
and run a PC product there.
We are currently using Dr Solomon's products (Virex and
Anti-Virus Toolkit) for our virus checking.
Please respond directly to me - I'll repost a summary - to reduce bandwidth
Thanks,
Stefan Curl
Shaman Corporation
http://www.shamancorp.com
(415) 241-9952 x120
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Cesar Morales (camorales@popmail.ucsd.edu)
Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:13:09 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>Subject: FYI
>>>>
>>>>I just got this over my listserver. I called GTE and they say it is
>>>>true, so I thought you should know.
>>>>Some of you may have already seen this post; but I pass it on for those
>>>>who
>>>>have not received it.
>>>>
>>>>FOR YOU INFORMATION......SEE THE MESSAGE BELOW
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I received a telephone call today from an individual identifying
>>>>>> himself as an AT&T Service Technician who was conducting a test on
>>>>our
>>>>>> telephone lines. He stated that to complete the test I should touch
>>>>nine
>>>>>> (9),zero (0), the pound sign (#) and then hang up. Luckily, I was
>>>>suspicious
>>>>>> and refused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Upon contacting the telephone company, I was informed that by pushing
>>>>
>>>>>> 90#, you give the requesting individual full access to your telephone
>>>>
>>>>>> line, which allows them to place long distance telephone calls billed
>>>>to
>>>>your
>>>>>> home phone number. I was further informed that this scam has been
>>>>>> originating from many of the local jails/prisons. I have also
>>>>verified
>>>>>> this information with UCB telecomm, Pacific Bell, MCI, Bell Atlantic,
>>>>
>>>>>> GTE and NYNEX. Please beware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DO NOT press 90# for ANYONE. The GTE Security Department requested
>>>>that
>>>>I
>>>>>> share this information with EVERYONE I KNOW. PLEASE pass this on to
>>>>>> everyone YOU know. If you have mailing lists and/or newsletters from
>>>>>> organizations you are connected with, I encourage you to pass on this
>>>>
>>>>>> information to them, too.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Cesar Morales
Computing Chaman
UCSD/Music
619-822-1034
cesar@ucsd.edu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
"Sleep is for those who can't finish a project in one night"
-from a UCB computer lab bulletin board
"Bathrooms are for the weak"
-also from a UCB computer lab bulletin board
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can't"
-joke of the week
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Robert F. Crean (bobcrean@sover.net)
Sun, 09 Aug 1998 21:33:57 +0100
We have several Mac clients on a Windows NT 4.0 network (peer to peer). On many
occasions (about once every two days) the mac shares drop out of sight and we
need to reboot the server to bring them back. Anyone have any ideas? We are
running service pack 3 and *have* installed the hot fix to fix the jumping icons,
but this seems unrelated to that.
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William Rivet (wrivet@qouest.net)
Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:43:10 -0400
William Rivet
-----Original Message-----
From: Cesar Morales <camorales@popmail.ucsd.edu>
To: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu <winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu>
Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 9:13 PM
Subject: [WinMac] Fwd: offtopic WARNING: FYI
>
>FYI. I don't think this is a hoax
>
>
>>>>>Subject: FYI
>>>>>
>>>>>I just got this over my listserver. I called GTE and they say it is
>>>>>true, so I thought you should know.
>>>>>Some of you may have already seen this post; but I pass it on for those
>>>>>who
>>>>>have not received it.
>>>>>
>>>>>FOR YOU INFORMATION......SEE THE MESSAGE BELOW
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I received a telephone call today from an individual identifying
>>>>>>> himself as an AT&T Service Technician who was conducting a test on
>>>>>our
>>>>>>> telephone lines. He stated that to complete the test I should touch
>>>>>nine
>>>>>>> (9),zero (0), the pound sign (#) and then hang up. Luckily, I was
>>>>>suspicious
>>>>>>> and refused.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Upon contacting the telephone company, I was informed that by
pushing
>>>>>
>>>>>>> 90#, you give the requesting individual full access to your
telephone
>>>>>
>>>>>>> line, which allows them to place long distance telephone calls
billed
>>>>>to
>>>>>your
>>>>>>> home phone number. I was further informed that this scam has been
>>>>>>> originating from many of the local jails/prisons. I have also
>>>>>verified
>>>>>>> this information with UCB telecomm, Pacific Bell, MCI, Bell
Atlantic,
>>>>>
>>>>>>> GTE and NYNEX. Please beware.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DO NOT press 90# for ANYONE. The GTE Security Department requested
>>>>>that
>>>>>I
>>>>>>> share this information with EVERYONE I KNOW. PLEASE pass this on to
>>>>>>> everyone YOU know. If you have mailing lists and/or newsletters from
>>>>>>> organizations you are connected with, I encourage you to pass on
this
>>>>>
>>>>>>> information to them, too.
>>>>>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> Cesar Morales
> Computing Chaman
> UCSD/Music
> 619-822-1034
> cesar@ucsd.edu
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> "Sleep is for those who can't finish a project in one night"
> -from a UCB computer lab bulletin board
>
> "Bathrooms are for the weak"
> -also from a UCB computer lab bulletin board
>
> "There are three kinds of people, those who can count and those who
>can't"
> -joke of the week
>
>
>
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Matti Haveri (mhaveri@walli.uwasa.fi)
Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:24:04 +0200
This is on a PowerMacintosh 8600/200 (160 MB RAM & 161 MB VM, 1 MB L2
cache), System 8.1, 43560 K given to VPC = 32 MB to Windows 95.
Any similar experiences?
-- Matti Haveri <mhaveri@walli.uwasa.fi> <http://www.walli.uwasa.fi/~mhaveri/>
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:08:05 -0400
At 10:12 AM 9/30/98 -0600, Phil Corchary wrote:
>Points of comparison between AppleShare IP 6.0 and Windows NT Server 4.0
>This is an outline only.
>
>1) Easy and speed of setup, use and administration - AppleShare wins hands
>down. ASIP6 now also offers web-based admin, allowing you to admin all
>features of your server from a web browser.
False: NT's Express Setup is actually easier than navigating through MacOS
8.1's arcane installation process.
>
>2) Cost of hardware and software - AppleShare wins easily compared to the
>top-tier PC Server vendors, and the price-performance ratio is tremendously
>in favor of the AppleShare server
False:
A G3 Mac server in an 8600 package is more like a gagway minitower. There
are no Apple equivalents to a Proliant, NetServer, or AlphaServer.
>3) Performance - AppleShare IP 6.0 is more than twice as fast as NT 4.0 in
>copying files across a 100bT network from/to Macintosh clients. If you're
>looking for speedy file transfers with Mac clients, AppleShare IP is what
>you want.
What part of 600 mHz don't you understand?!
>
>4) Flexibility - AppleShare IP 6.0 will let you use AppleTalk or TCP/IP (AFP
>over IP) with you Macintosh clients. NT uses only AppleTalk. ASIP6 will also
>act as a server to any PC's that you have by providing native SMB services
>(the AppleShare server will appear in the Windows Network Neighborhood.)
Yes, and what about Macs that are not using AppleShare Chooser Extension
3.7 or higher? If the site has Quadra's, then MacOS 8 represents a 30%
speed hit over 7.6.1...
Also, what ever happened to packet routing? Apple Internet Router 3.0.1?!
Compare this to NT's **FREE** MPR (Multi-Protocol Router) Service (in
Option Pack).
Lastly, you can run NT/Server as a workstation OS with the Server services
in the background. If an app crashes, it simply gets flushed and doesn't
bring down the whole machine. Try running Photoshop simultaneously with ANY
version of AppleShare and watch what happens!
>
>Your ASIP6 server can also be your web server, FTP server, DNS server, Mail
>server (POP/SMTP/IMAP4) and your Print Spooler (and if you've ever tried
>spooling Postscript through WinNT, you know how unpredictable and
>problematic it can be!). All of this is included with
>the purchase of an AppleShare G3 server.
And Internet Information Server 4.0 (IIS4) is included for free in NT4/S...
>
>This means you can replace your current AppleShare 4.x server AND your NT
>server with a new, high performance Apple G3 Server with ASIP6, and get
>better performance AND easier administration for your Macs and PCs!
Since NT is Microsoft's premier product, it will have a steady, long term
lifespan.
--> And more importantly, what happens when Apple throws in the towel on
AppleShare Server, like they did with A/UX on the Workgroup Server 95's;
and AIX 4.1.4 on the Apple Network Servers? GET REAL!
Also, what ever happened to the lifetime toll-free tech support from
Apple's Business Systems Division, Greg Jewett? Your group *DID* a VERY
good job, before it was pretty much dissolved.
>
>For more information on AppleShare IP, visit
>http://www.apple.com/appleshare.
>
Steve Jobs' hype & hot air, ŕ la iMac...
IN ADDITION, HERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE SADLY LACKING IN MACOS 8.1 /
APPLESHARE IP6:
1) Disk repair & recovery utilities: Until Norton Utilities 4.0 came out,
if you had a problem with HFS+, you were SCREWED. Compare this with the
built-in repair utilities for NTFS;
2) Much more flexible backup & archiving: In addition to having a built-in
tape backup utility, UltraBac is a mainframe-quality backup & disaster
recovery utility that is also available for OpenVMS;
3) Scalability (clustering with Convoy);
4) Automatic server load balancing & failover (Octopus & DoubleTake);
5) Commonality of major utilities with OpenVMS;
6) True 64 bit performance (Alpha (AXP) version only);
7) Availability on TWO architectures: DEC (Compaq) Alpha as well as intel.
And 600 mHz Alpha's are shipping **NOW**
8) Rock-solid stability: As long as you stick to the Windows NT Hardware
Compatibility List (HCL), then NT's stability will far exceed anything
Apple can produce;
9) Stability with flexibility: For example (from above), you can run
NT/Server as a workstation OS with the Server services in the background.
If an app crashes, it simply gets flushed and doesn't bring down the whole
machine with a Cherry Bomb. Try running Photoshop simultaneously with ANY
version of AppleShare and watch what happens!
This is also a tremendous money-saver in that in smaller shops you don't
need a dedicated machine working as a server.
>>Date: Sun, 27 Sep 98 20:52:13 -0400
>>From: Dan Goldblatt <danielg@njbiz.com>
>>Subject: Choice of AppleShare IP 6.0 vs. NT
>>MIME-version: 1.0
>>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>>We are weekly newspaper running some 20 Macs from LCIIIs to G3 using an
>>AppleShare 4.something server and 5 Win95 machines with an NT4.0 server.
>>
>>I know I want to run a more powerful machine for my fileserver than the
>>aged Apple WGS 7250 we currently have. I'm trying to decide if I should
>>move up to AppleShare IP 6.0 on a 604 or G3 Mac or just move all my
>>fileserving to the NT server.
>>
>>Can folks help with me the points of comparison and consideration that I
>>should by thinking about or point me to some good sources?
>>
>>Thanks. Dan G.
>>
>>
>>**** **** ****
>>Dan Goldblatt
>>Health/Technology Editor
>>BUSINESS NEWS New Jersey
>
>
>Phillip Corchary, Sr. Systems Engineer
>Apple Computer, Inc., Denver CO
>corchary@apple.com / 303-202-9883
Yours truly,
Daniel L. Schwartz,
Electrical Engineer.
Dan's Macintosh Consulting
Suite 1306
1840 Frontage Road
Cherry Hill, NJ 08034-2205
609-795-8965
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ProfSci@aol.com
Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:42:16 EDT
Al Sills
In a message dated 10/11/98 10:13:19 AM, expresso@snip.net writes:
<<
Here's a point-by-point rebuttal why I don't recommend AppleShare IP6; and
instead recommend NT/Server 4.0 for mixed platform shops:
At 10:12 AM 9/30/98 -0600, Phil Corchary wrote:
>Points of comparison between AppleShare IP 6.0 and Windows NT Server 4.0
>This is an outline only.
>
>1) Easy and speed of setup, use and administration - AppleShare wins hands
>down. ASIP6 now also offers web-based admin, allowing you to admin all
>features of your server from a web browser.
False: NT's Express Setup is actually easier than navigating through MacOS
8.1's arcane installation process.
>
>2) Cost of hardware and software - AppleShare wins easily compared to the
>top-tier PC Server vendors, and the price-performance ratio is tremendously
>in favor of the AppleShare server
False:
A G3 Mac server in an 8600 package is more like a gagway minitower. There
are no Apple equivalents to a Proliant, NetServer, or AlphaServer.
>3) Performance - AppleShare IP 6.0 is more than twice as fast as NT 4.0 in
>copying files across a 100bT network from/to Macintosh clients. If you're
>looking for speedy file transfers with Mac clients, AppleShare IP is what
>you want.
What part of 600 mHz don't you understand?!
>
>4) Flexibility - AppleShare IP 6.0 will let you use AppleTalk or TCP/IP (AFP
>over IP) with you Macintosh clients. NT uses only AppleTalk. ASIP6 will also
>act as a server to any PC's that you have by providing native SMB services
>(the AppleShare server will appear in the Windows Network Neighborhood.)
Yes, and what about Macs that are not using AppleShare Chooser Extension
3.7 or higher? If the site has Quadra's, then MacOS 8 represents a 30%
speed hit over 7.6.1...
Also, what ever happened to packet routing? Apple Internet Router 3.0.1?!
Compare this to NT's **FREE** MPR (Multi-Protocol Router) Service (in
Option Pack).
Lastly, you can run NT/Server as a workstation OS with the Server services
in the background. If an app crashes, it simply gets flushed and doesn't
bring down the whole machine. Try running Photoshop simultaneously with ANY
version of AppleShare and watch what happens!
>
>Your ASIP6 server can also be your web server, FTP server, DNS server, Mail
>server (POP/SMTP/IMAP4) and your Print Spooler (and if you've ever tried
>spooling Postscript through WinNT, you know how unpredictable and
>problematic it can be!). All of this is included with
>the purchase of an AppleShare G3 server.
And Internet Information Server 4.0 (IIS4) is included for free in NT4/S...
>
>This means you can replace your current AppleShare 4.x server AND your NT
>server with a new, high performance Apple G3 Server with ASIP6, and get
>better performance AND easier administration for your Macs and PCs!
Since NT is Microsoft's premier product, it will have a steady, long term
lifespan.
--> And more importantly, what happens when Apple throws in the towel on
AppleShare Server, like they did with A/UX on the Workgroup Server 95's;
and AIX 4.1.4 on the Apple Network Servers? GET REAL!
Also, what ever happened to the lifetime toll-free tech support from
Apple's Business Systems Division, Greg Jewett? Your group *DID* a VERY
good job, before it was pretty much dissolved.
>
>For more information on AppleShare IP, visit
>http://www.apple.com/appleshare.
>
Steve Jobs' hype & hot air, ŕ la iMac...
IN ADDITION, HERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE SADLY LACKING IN MACOS 8.1 /
APPLESHARE IP6:
1) Disk repair & recovery utilities: Until Norton Utilities 4.0 came out,
if you had a problem with HFS+, you were SCREWED. Compare this with the
built-in repair utilities for NTFS;
2) Much more flexible backup & archiving: In addition to having a built-in
tape backup utility, UltraBac is a mainframe-quality backup & disaster
recovery utility that is also available for OpenVMS;
3) Scalability (clustering with Convoy);
4) Automatic server load balancing & failover (Octopus & DoubleTake);
5) Commonality of major utilities with OpenVMS;
6) True 64 bit performance (Alpha (AXP) version only);
7) Availability on TWO architectures: DEC (Compaq) Alpha as well as intel.
And 600 mHz Alpha's are shipping **NOW**
8) Rock-solid stability: As long as you stick to the Windows NT Hardware
Compatibility List (HCL), then NT's stability will far exceed anything
Apple can produce;
9) Stability with flexibility: For example (from above), you can run
NT/Server as a workstation OS with the Server services in the background.
If an app crashes, it simply gets flushed and doesn't bring down the whole
machine with a Cherry Bomb. Try running Photoshop simultaneously with ANY
version of AppleShare and watch what happens!
This is also a tremendous money-saver in that in smaller shops you don't
need a dedicated machine working as a server.
>>Date: Sun, 27 Sep 98 20:52:13 -0400
>>From: Dan Goldblatt <danielg@njbiz.com>
>>Subject: Choice of AppleShare IP 6.0 vs. NT
>>MIME-version: 1.0
>>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>>We are weekly newspaper running some 20 Macs from LCIIIs to G3 using an
>>AppleShare 4.something server and 5 Win95 machines with an NT4.0 server.
>>
>>I know I want to run a more powerful machine for my fileserver than the
>>aged Apple WGS 7250 we currently have. I'm trying to decide if I should
>>move up to AppleShare IP 6.0 on a 604 or G3 Mac or just move all my
>>fileserving to the NT server.
>>
>>Can folks help with me the points of comparison and consideration that I
>>should by thinking about or point me to some good sources?
>>
>>Thanks. Dan G.
>>
>>
>>**** **** ****
>>Dan Goldblatt
>>Health/Technology Editor
>>BUSINESS NEWS New Jersey
>
>
>Phillip Corchary, Sr. Systems Engineer
>Apple Computer, Inc., Denver CO
>corchary@apple.com / 303-202-9883
Yours truly,
Daniel L. Schwartz,
Electrical Engineer.
Dan's Macintosh Consulting
Suite 1306
1840 Frontage Road
Cherry Hill, NJ 08034-2205
609-795-8965
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Peter Gunn (pdg1@cornell.edu)
Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:13:41 -0400
For AT&T's word on the story, see
http://www.att.com/features/0398/90pound.html
For other commentary, see
http://korova.com/virus/hoax980212.htm
I also recommend the following site (and a little common sense)
any time you feel tempted to forward a message to anyone you know:
Peter Gunn
Ithaca, New York
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Marc Bizer (mlbizer@mail.utexas.edu)
Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:59:39 -0500
I continually get complaints about the length of quoted text in
messages, to wit:
>Also, even though people posting to the list
>were asked to limit the quoted text, it didn't look like they did - some
>even argued that it is necessary to include everything in order to be
>able to follow certain threads; I don't understand how some people need
>to see all the 'thread' when they've already received any previous
>messages on the topic of interest (in most cases).
Could everyone please be careful to limit the length of quotes?
Thanks,
Marc
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thomas kase (thomas@accessio.com)
Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:53:58 -0400
I do not appreciate the tone of some recent posts regarding comparisons
between AppleShare IP 6.0 and NTS with Mac services.
Specifically, Dan Schwartz' simplistic and rude post struck me as lacking
nuance and in general being quite unhelpful to anyone trying to assess the
pros and cons with either platform on a rational basis.
For ourselves we have a smaller network with a dozen NT boxes, a couple
of NT servers and three PowerMac graphics stations.
Because of NT's shaky Mac Service functionality I am thinking about a
G3 server and I would recommend anyone with a majority of Macs on the
network to do the same.
NT has its strengths but also a number of weaknesses that should not be
glossed over.
My G3 PowerBook should arrive in a week - wouldn't dare buy one that
runs NT. No one knows how NT5's power managment will turn out - and
when...
Just a few comments.
Thanks for the time.
Thomas Kase
GM
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:44:29 -0400
No, I don't have a distorted view of the technology, or more importantly
how *real* business' use it.
Quite to the contrary: Last year, my business was about 90% Mac and about
5% each NT/intel and NT/Alpha. This year, it's a 50-50 split between Mac
and NT; and the NT percentage is climbing month by month. [In fact, it's
climbing so fast that I'm in the process of getting my MCSE.]
Essentially, my clients businesses consist of graphics, photography,
prepress, and ad agency shops: The core of the MacOS customer base.
The last straw for many of my customers was Apple's killing off the MacOS
clones: They just got fed up and started to switch to NT.
Yes, there will always be Macs in these shops, because there are some
things that NT can't handle well (such as exotic peripherals like as
scanners and some color printers). But for the majority of uses, NT has far
surpassed the MacOS in terms of stability.
Most of my customers started by throwing out their AppleShare 4.0.2 &
4.2.2 file server software (converting the boxes to workstations) and
bringing in NT/4 server(s). And guess what? The sustained file transfer
speeds to & from Mac workstations actually INCREASED. And the management
headaches decreased.
-------------
It's ironic how, for many years, Macs were underpowered; yet the biggest
sales point was that despite the lack of speed the Mac was easier to use,
and hence more productive with a lower overall cost... i.e at the end of
the day the user got more work done on a Mac than on a DOS/Win 3.1 box.
But, with the worsening stability of the MacOS as the hardware improved,
the proverbial shoe is now on the other foot: NT, especially on a DEC
Alpha, is easier to use, more powerful, and best of all *more stable.* And,
this applies to both the server as well as the workstation versions.
Let me give you an example: Right here at home, I'm running a dual PPro
200 mHz workstation with 512 MB of RAM and NT/Server 4.0 with Services for
Macintosh, simultaneously running IP and AppleTalk stacks. I also have
three Mac workstations connected up to it for other work, such as scanning.
I can easily run Photoshop manipulating an 84 MB file while maintaining
>700 kilobyte/second sustained transfer rates to & from the Macs over my
10Base-T home LAN. All of this on one machine.
--------------
Yes, AppleShare IP 6 might be OK when running on a dedicated box. But
there is better... And it costs less. It costs less to buy the hardware &
software package for an NT/Alpha Server than an equivalent PowerPC Mac with
A/S IP6; and less to run and maintain it.
In a small shop, an NT server can simultaneously act as a workstation...
In a larger network, the server costs less, does more, and works better &
faster.
Yours truly,
Daniel L. Schwartz,
Electrical Engineer.
Dan's Macintosh Consulting
Suite 1306
1840 Frontage Road
Cherry Hill, NJ 08034-2205
609-795-8965
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At 09:50 AM 10/11/98 -0600, Phillip Corchary wrote:
>>
>> Here's a point-by-point rebuttal why I don't recommend AppleShare IP6; and
>>instead recommend NT/Server 4.0 for mixed platform shops:
>
>Dan,
>
>Thanks for your email.
>
>I was preparing an lengthy, in depth reply, however as I read farther into
>your message I realized that you basically just have an ax to grind, as well
>as distorted view of how many people actually use technology. Therefore
>there's no point in my wasting time replying to you.
>
>I wish you much success and enjoyment with the products that you choose to
>use. Good Luck.
>
>
>philc
>==================================
>Phillip Corchary, Sr. Systems Engineer
>Apple Computer, Inc., Denver CO
>corchary@apple.com
>
>
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 01:02:45 -0400
You are confusing "Rhapsody," NeXTStep, and OS X...
NeXTStep was Steve Jobs' OS based on the Mach kernel (Carnegie Mellon) UNIX;
"Rhapsody" was supposed to be Apple's implementation of NeXTStep, with the
Yellow Box and Blue Box;
OS X is simply a cleaned up extension of MacOS 8... It has nothing to do
with any form of UNIX.
Just another form of Jobs' doubletalk... OS X is still the MacOS; and more
importantly lacking NT's, OpenVMS,' and UNIX' protected memory and
multitasking.
At 11:10 PM 10/11/98 EDT, ProfSci@aol.com wrote:
>
>In a message dated 10/11/98 6:18:34 PM, expresso@snip.net writes:
>
><<
>
> Rhapsody was killed off by Steve Jobs. Typical Steve Jobs: Pan off his
>
>struggling NeXT onto Apple for $400 million in December, 1996; and then
>
>kill off the product that Apple bought.
>
>>>
>
>The Rhapsody (Mac OS X) Server software is due out this month, as I
understand
>it.
>
>Al
>
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ZMac1@aol.com
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:26:54 EDT
Actually, Windows NT Server's support of Macintosh clients isn't
particularly fast, even with multiple, fast processors. I've seen lots of
test results, and AppleShare IP 6's AFP over AppleTalk is faster than
that of NT Services for Mac. In fact, test results presented at Seybold
SF showing that NT's AFP over AppleTalk on a dual-Pentium II server ran
slower than AppleShare IP 6 on a Mac, as well as slower than a UNIX box.
An NT consultant I talked to the other day said "NT has the slowest
AppleTalk stack on the planet."
(Robert Cowart, NT expert and enthusiast, and author of more NT books
than just about anyone, recommends not using the NT SFM print server at
all.)
Also, with NT Server, AFP over AppleTalk is your only option for Mac
clients. Just about every other server that supports Mac clients offers
AFP over IP, which is significantly faster. (TCP/IP streams; AppleTalk
does not.) This includes AppleShare IP 6, Xinet's KA-Share (Unix), Helios
EtherShare (UNIX), and several other UNIX products -- even Netatalk for
Linux and CAP for NetBSD support AFP over IP. I could list a dozen
servers that support AFP over IP.
As for the Mac client support of AFP over IP, version 3.7 or later comes
with AppleShare IP 6 and the UNIX servers, as well as with Mac OS 8.1 and
later.
I'm not saying NT is a poor server platform--it has many excellent
features. But it's support of Mac clients is not anything close to
state-of-the-art.
John Rizzo
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Mr Stux (stux@mactrix.com)
Mon, 12 Oct 98 18:04:11 +1000
Its like this.
We have a 20 mac network + 2 pcs.
We do not like PCs... :)
So... it came the time where Personal File Sharing could not hack it! The
mess was horrible.
In came a brand new G3. (got it REAL cheap)
Put the ASIP6 CD in.
Dbl Click on install.
Dbl Click on setup
we're running.
I think it took about 10 minutes.
Then I proceeded to start setting up users...
All the while I'm going GOSH this a great interface... I hope my boss
doesn't see this... He'll fire me and run it himself ;)
It worked straight out of the box.
We copied all the 20 or so Personal File Shared folders onto the
server... and started creating the great ETP hierarchy ;)
(we actually spent a bit of time thinking about this ;) )
Now when I do copies over the LAN we basically saturate it... Its fun.
And ASIP is great.
Its builtin emailserver is a bonus, and it keeps users in sync with mail
and works great. It just works.
The Print Server... I decided to play with this... unfortunately we used
an old version of ClarisDraw, which didn't like the TCP Printer Queue
interface.. :(
I have now got the ClarisDraw upgrade and am going to try again.
ASIP also came with DNS servers... its got a web server built in, ftp
server.
In short I can't think of a better solution for a Mac based business with
a couple of PCs.
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ProfSci@aol.com
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 05:49:46 EDT
Al
In a message dated 10/12/98 1:12:32 AM, expresso@snip.net writes:
<<
Dear Al:
You are confusing "Rhapsody," NeXTStep, and OS X...
NeXTStep was Steve Jobs' OS based on the Mach kernel (Carnegie Mellon) UNIX;
"Rhapsody" was supposed to be Apple's implementation of NeXTStep, with the
Yellow Box and Blue Box;
OS X is simply a cleaned up extension of MacOS 8... It has nothing to do
with any form of UNIX.
Just another form of Jobs' doubletalk... OS X is still the MacOS; and more
importantly lacking NT's, OpenVMS,' and UNIX' protected memory and
multitasking.
At 11:10 PM 10/11/98 EDT, ProfSci@aol.com wrote:
>
>In a message dated 10/11/98 6:18:34 PM, expresso@snip.net writes:
>
><<
>
> Rhapsody was killed off by Steve Jobs. Typical Steve Jobs: Pan off his
>
>struggling NeXT onto Apple for $400 million in December, 1996; and then
>
>kill off the product that Apple bought.
>
>>>
>
>The Rhapsody (Mac OS X) Server software is due out this month, as I
understand
>it.
>
>Al
>
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Peter Gunn (pdg1@cornell.edu)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:14:43 -0400
Sorry folks, that should have read
"...any time you feel tempted to forward a message to EVERYone you know..."
Apologies.
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James Stahl (jstahl@stifirestop.com)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:09:08 -0400
Drive is 5.2 GIGS. Award Bios installed supports this size. Win 95 is
version B.
Also the boot disk provided by the manufacturer seems to set the CD ROM
as rthe Z drive. This doesn't go away after installing Win 95 from the
CD. Each time a CD is loaded, one must manually point the computer to
the D drive.
Last but not least... Reinstalled WEB & ISP software (AT&T Worldnet).
Used it for 20 minutes and it worked fine. Suddenly froze and after
re-booting, it indicates that it can't find the address and that a file
is missing. Won't run setup either.
Looking for a Win 95 expert out there!
Jim Stahl
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Christopher Giles, Systems Manager (filenes@cybercom.net)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:51:40 -0400
Christopher Giles, Systems Manager
Filene's Advertising Department
Beth Ernst wrote:
> I need some assistance from anyone in the Graphic Design area. Our
> company has had a software program written especially for us to work
> with Quark Xpress. The problem is the software was developed for Quark
> version 3.32r2. We have added more employees and need more versions of
> Quark, unfortunately the program does not work with 4.0 so we cannot
> purchase new Quarks.
>
> I realize the obvious solution would be to rewrite the software, that is
> being done, but in the meantime we have deadlines to meet and need some
> additional copies. What we are needing to do is find someone who has
> some
> old versions of Quark they are willing to sell. Maybe they have switched
> to
> Adobe Pagemaker and don't need Quark anymore. (Given the arrogance of
> Quark, I wouldn't be surprised. They want more for the older version of
> Quark then the 4.0!)
>
> If anyone has a copy they are willing to sell or know of anywhere to
> look
> please let me know. Thanks!
> --
> Beth Ernst
> Fastline Publications
> bernst@fastlinepub.com
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jeff thorstad (thorstadj@macconnect.com)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:28:19 -0500
>Correct me if i'm wrong, but, the "rhapsody server software"
>or the Mac OS X server software (due out soon), does include the unix kernal
>and is a totally redesigned Mac OS, not just a gradual growth from 8.1 or
>8.5.
>
>Al
>
>In a message dated 10/12/98 1:12:32 AM, expresso@snip.net writes:
>
><<
> Dear Al:
>
> You are confusing "Rhapsody," NeXTStep, and OS X...
>
> NeXTStep was Steve Jobs' OS based on the Mach kernel (Carnegie Mellon) UNIX;
>
> "Rhapsody" was supposed to be Apple's implementation of NeXTStep, with the
>Yellow Box and Blue Box;
>
> OS X is simply a cleaned up extension of MacOS 8... It has nothing to do
>with any form of UNIX.
>
> Just another form of Jobs' doubletalk... OS X is still the MacOS; and more
>importantly lacking NT's, OpenVMS,' and UNIX' protected memory and
>multitasking.
Jeff T
thorstadj@macconnect.com
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Curtis Wilcox (cwcx@uhura.cc.rochester.edu)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:56:18 -0400
I'm not going to explain all the ways this is wrong, everyone interested
please read this article:
<http://macworld.zdnet.com/pages/august.98/Feature.4406.html>
The magic word in MacOS X is 'Carbon,' the name for the cleaned up, updated
Mac Toolbox. Unlike with Rhapsody, applications won't have to be written
from scratch to operate, just updated to take advantage of the OS's
improvements. If an app runs under MacOS 8, it'll run under MacOS X.
Carbon-updated apps will run under MacOS 8 (will probably require something
like a 'Carbon compatibility' extension for MacOS 8). Mac OS X will also
have Rhapsody's "Yellow Box" but I don't think I could explain it well.
Things Mac OS X will have: Protected Memory, Preemptive Multitasking,
Virtual Memory (w/ no more need to increase RAM allotment from Get Info
window), Multithreading and Multiprocessing, Mach Kernel.
Rhapsody 1.0 (w/ full "blue box" Mac OS emulation) is still suppposed to be
released this fall but that may be basically the end of it.
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Mr Stux (stux@mactrix.com)
Tue, 13 Oct 98 00:31:57 +1000
Remember Rhapsody the technology is TEN years OLD!!!! and has been
running on Intel architechtue for quite a few years!
I can see how it would be feasible to release 1.0 and never update it
again! BUT their is a superb driver model kit... and these could be
updated...
Imagine that... an OS which NEVER gets updated because it just works and
works and works and works and works and works... you get my point...
But then again... it probably isn't so... But if it was... I could live
with it :)
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jeff thorstad (thorstadj@macconnect.com)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:56:36 -0500
Carbon essentially erases the need for all the "boxes" of Rhapsody. They
were confusing, to say the least. This is why the name changed to Mac OS
X, since it is quite a different look from a developer's angle. (That and
Rhapsody was really just a code name, bound to be changed to an actual
product name.)
Jeff T
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Tue, 13 Oct 98 01:16:41 +1000
PS MacOS 8.5 Really does make a GREAT improvement to not only OT but
QuickDraw, the entire macos experience, application launches and even RC5
;)
Anyone interested in AppleShare IP should check out that review... It
happens to basically sum up my experiences :)
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Omar Chávez (OmarChavez@fliteline.usa.com)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:12:22 -0400
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:11:43 -0400
Is the *real* reason for your wanting to buy more copies of QX 3.32 that
your printers don't accept QX4 files? :)
HINT: Take a closer look at PageMaker 6.52. In the days when Aldus & Quark
competed head to head, both companies tried to curry favor from Adobe,
which developed and constantly enhances PostScript.® [Remember, both QX &
PM convert what you see on the screen (such as QuickDraw) to a series of
PostScript commands.]
Things changed about 3 years ago when Adobe swallowed up Aldus: Now Quark
is on the "outside looking in." If this story seems a bit familiar, you're
right: Just as M$ has wound Internet Explorer tightly into their OS'
leaving Netscape on the outside, so has Adobe done the same thing with
PageMaker & PostScript.
Just my 2 cents worth...
At 08:51 AM 10/12/98 -0400, Christopher wrote:
>Actually, I'm in a similar situation. We've added head count and would like
>to add copies of Quark XPress 3.32, but have had no cooperation from Quark.
>If there are any leftover copies out there, I'd be interested in some, too.
>Thanks.
>
>Christopher Giles, Systems Manager
>Filene's Advertising Department
>
>Beth Ernst wrote:
>
>> I need some assistance from anyone in the Graphic Design area. Our
>> company has had a software program written especially for us to work
>> with Quark Xpress. The problem is the software was developed for Quark
>> version 3.32r2. We have added more employees and need more versions of
>> Quark, unfortunately the program does not work with 4.0 so we cannot
>> purchase new Quarks.
>>
>> I realize the obvious solution would be to rewrite the software, that is
>> being done, but in the meantime we have deadlines to meet and need some
>> additional copies. What we are needing to do is find someone who has
>> some
>> old versions of Quark they are willing to sell. Maybe they have switched
>> to
>> Adobe Pagemaker and don't need Quark anymore. (Given the arrogance of
>> Quark, I wouldn't be surprised. They want more for the older version of
>> Quark then the 4.0!)
>>
>> If anyone has a copy they are willing to sell or know of anywhere to
>> look
>> please let me know. Thanks!
>> --
>> Beth Ernst
>> Fastline Publications
>> bernst@fastlinepub.com
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:15:08 -0400
At 09:56 AM 10/12/98 -0400, Curtis wrote:
>At 01:02 AM 10/12/98 -0400, Dan Schwartz wrote:
>>
>> Dear Al:
>>
>> You are confusing "Rhapsody," NeXTStep, and OS X...
>> NeXTStep was Steve Jobs' OS based on the Mach kernel (Carnegie Mellon)
UNIX;
>> "Rhapsody" was supposed to be Apple's implementation of NeXTStep, with the
>>Yellow Box and Blue Box;
>> OS X is simply a cleaned up extension of MacOS 8... It has nothing to do
>>with any form of UNIX.
>> Just another form of Jobs' doubletalk... OS X is still the MacOS; and more
>>importantly lacking NT's, OpenVMS,' and UNIX' protected memory and
>>multitasking.
>>At 11:10 PM 10/11/98 EDT, ProfSci@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>In a message dated 10/11/98 6:18:34 PM, expresso@snip.net writes:
>>>
>>> Rhapsody was killed off by Steve Jobs. Typical Steve Jobs: Pan off his
>>>struggling NeXT onto Apple for $400 million in December, 1996; and then
>>>kill off the product that Apple bought.
>>>
>>>The Rhapsody (Mac OS X) Server software is due out this month, as I
>>understand
>>>it.
>
>I'm not going to explain all the ways this is wrong, everyone interested
>please read this article:
><http://macworld.zdnet.com/pages/august.98/Feature.4406.html>
>
>The magic word in MacOS X is 'Carbon,' the name for the cleaned up, updated
>Mac Toolbox. Unlike with Rhapsody, applications won't have to be written
>from scratch to operate, just updated to take advantage of the OS's
>improvements. If an app runs under MacOS 8, it'll run under MacOS X.
>Carbon-updated apps will run under MacOS 8 (will probably require something
>like a 'Carbon compatibility' extension for MacOS 8). Mac OS X will also
>have Rhapsody's "Yellow Box" but I don't think I could explain it well.
>
>Things Mac OS X will have: Protected Memory, Preemptive Multitasking,
>Virtual Memory (w/ no more need to increase RAM allotment from Get Info
>window), Multithreading and Multiprocessing, Mach Kernel.
>
>Rhapsody 1.0 (w/ full "blue box" Mac OS emulation) is still suppposed to be
>released this fall but that may be basically the end of it.
>--
>Curtis Wilcox cwcx@cc.rochester.edu
>Desktop Systems Consultant 716/274-1160
>Eastman School of Music Pager: x12-3290
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:08:04 -0400
Four salient points:
1) You can buy very nice 533 mHz Alpha clones from DCG for well under $2,000.
<http://www.dcginc.com>. Also, Enorex, DeskStation, Microway, Carrera, and
Aspen make nice Alpha clones...
Please click on <http://www.alphant.com> for more info on the purchasing,
care, and feeding of Alpha's running NT. You'll be glad you did!
-> Now, where did you go, Power Computing, when we need you?!
2) If you are getting BSOD's (Blue Screen of Death) in NT, they can
*usually* be quickly solved by using the "Last Known Good Configuration."
In addition, I borrowed a trick from Conflict Catcher: I create a "Minimal
Services" Hardware Profile (startup configuration), including not starting
the Networking Services;
3) Along these same lines, get a copy of Kirk Erichsen's "Optimizing
Windows NT" [ISBN 0-7645-3110-7] The recovery & repair techniques on pages
743-757 is worth the (AMAZON.COM mail order) price of $39.95 alone!
4) I somewhat agree with the assessment about NT's Mac print spooler to be
somewhat troublesome. BUT:
A) If you are printing to a raster printer, then you DO need to be a bit
more careful in the spooler setup, since you are using a LaserWriter 8
driver to send a PostScript® file to the NT spooler to be RIP'ed;
B) This is one area where the MacOS excels: If you have PostScript
printers, just print to these machines directly. You don't need to spool
through NT (in most cases), since Print Monitor DOES do a very nice job. I
always give credit when credit is due, and MacOS printing has ALWAYS been
its strong suit.
[More comments inline]
At 11:12 AM 10/12/98 -0400, Omar Chávez wrote:
>
>> NT's Express Setup is actually easier than navigating through
>> MacOS
>> 8.1's arcane installation process.
>>
>> I disagree with that. For most people APIP is a lot easier to setup
>> than NT. Any Macintosh user with Intermediate knowledge of the OS is
>> able to install APIP, whereas to install NT you need at the very least
>> a PowerUser, more likely a Network Engineer (MCSE).
Surprisingly, no. I found the learning curve/changeover from AppleShare
4.0.2 & 4.2.2, and Apple Internet Router 3.0.1 to NT/S 3.51 (as well as
NT/S 4.0) to be surprisingly easy. Yes, M$ "knocked off" most of the MacOS
GUI... But the underlying kernel is much more robust than the MacOS 8.x. If
you have a single NIC *AND* everything inside is on the HCL, then you can
just about hit "Enter" for all the defaults... Except you need to pause
during the Networking installation to add Services for Macintosh. Reboot,
then apply SP3 & SFM hotfix, and all will be fine.
>>
>> What part of 600 mHz don't you understand?
>> And you tell me that an Alpha 600 is in the same price range as an
>> AWS9600? I really doubt it. I think that the original poster was
>> referring to Workgroup Servers, not Enterprise Servers. In workgroup
>> servers with a price point of less than $6,000.00 the AWS gives you
>> more bung for the buck IMHO.
^^^^
You mean "bang"... I hope! :)
Yes; but at $2000 a 533 mHz NT Server is still a better buy.
>>
>> Lastly, you can run NT/Server as a workstation OS with the Server
>> services
>> in the background. If an app crashes, it simply gets flushed and
>> doesn't
>> bring down the whole machine. Try running Photoshop simultaneously
>> with ANY
>> version of AppleShare and watch what happens
>> I would say that any network comprised of more than 10 nodes DEMANDS a
>> dedicated server.
It depends on what the server is doing. If it is being used as a simple
file server, then about 10 connected users is about right. BUT, it all
depends on what apps the clients are using; and what software the server
local user is running.
>>
>> Also, what ever happened to the lifetime toll-free tech support from
>> Apple's Business Systems Division
>> Apple still offers a much better deal in Tech support than Microsoft.
>>
>> My current network is NT, but I am seriously considering moving to
>> ASIP6. NT is stable and fast most of the time, but when you start to
>> get a "blue screen of death" you better start verifying your bank's
>> account, since its going to cost you dearly in terms of time and
>> money.
True to a point. But if you follow the HCL's, and the KISS principle with
NT, then BSOD's just don't occur. Shutting down extraneous services helps
enhance stability quite a bit. Also, having enough RAM and tweaking the
Registry a bit also helps stability as well as speed.
Let's try to work together to solve the problems you *are* having: More
likely than not it's just a 3rd party driver problem.
>>
>> Omar Chávez
>> Technical Services Director
>> *********************************************************
>> Flite Line Equipment Corp.
>> Corporate Headquarters
>> 1100 NW 163rd Drive
>> Miami, FL 33169 * USA
>> Tel (305) 626-0004 * Fax (305) 626-0566 * OmarChavez@fliteline.usa.com
>> --Los Angeles--Chicago--San Francisco--Washington DC--Honolulu--Miami-
>> *********************************************************
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LaPedis, Ron (ron.lapedis@compaq.com)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:33:19 -0700
Ron LaPedis
DISCLAIMER: All personal and professional opinions presented herein are my
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Jim Avgeris (jima@fscrater.com)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:35:55 +0100
Actually just the opposite is true. MacOS X will feature BSD 4.4 UNIX on
top of a heavily customized Mach microkernel, based on the 3.0 and 4.0
releases of Mach. It will also feature preemptive multitasking, memory
protection and advanced virtual memory.
It's scheduled to be available in the Fall of next year.
Jim Avgeris
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Facilities and Services Corporation
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Ben Fullerton (Ben.Fullerton@fmk.co.uk)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:25:07 +0100
Could I respectfully request that in future we leave all our platform
preferences at the door and try to be a little bit more constructive.
Thanks,
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Paul Frankenstein (frankens@wnet.org)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:52:21 -0400
But what's going to happen to the OpenStep/NextStep APIs? If I'm a Mac
developer working on porting a program, Carbon's the greatest thing since
sliced bread (and who did invent that, anyway?) But if I'm creating a
package from scratch, I'd rather work with OpenStep/NextStep.
Is that just going to go away or will there be continued support for that?
paul
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Curtis Wilcox (cwcx@uhura.cc.rochester.edu)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:41:40 -0400
Are those APIs supported in Rhapsody's Yellow Box? The Yellow Box will be
in MacOS X. In the MacWorld article I cited their speculation was that
existing Mac software would be "Carbonized" but new application development
would often occur in the Yellow Box. The drawback to Yellow Box apps is
that they'll only run under MacOS X or Rhapsody so people with pre-G3 Macs
would be SOL.
<ob.X-platform comment>
BTW, Yellow Box development is continuing for PowerPC and Intel platforms
which could lead to cross-platform compatible applications.
</ob.X-platform comment>
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:04:47 -0400
[cut]
>Are those APIs supported in Rhapsody's Yellow Box? The Yellow Box will be
>in MacOS X. In the MacWorld article I cited their speculation was that
>existing Mac software would be "Carbonized" but new application development
>would often occur in the Yellow Box. The drawback to Yellow Box apps is
>that they'll only run under MacOS X or Rhapsody so people with pre-G3 Macs
>would be SOL.
[cut]
Just another way Apple screws loyal users: Discontinuing support for
millions of 60x-series machines...
Thanks, Steve...
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Omar Chávez (OmarChavez@fliteline.usa.com)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:58:10 -0400
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David McKnight (dmcknight@mis.fleetwood.com)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:06:56 -0700
DAVID
David K. McKnight
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>Subject: Need Quark 3.32
>From: Beth Ernst <fastline@ntr.net>
>Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:53:39 +0100
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>I need some assistance from anyone in the Graphic Design area. Our
>company has had a software program written especially for us to work
>with Quark Xpress. The problem is the software was developed for Quark
>version 3.32r2. We have added more employees and need more versions of
>Quark, unfortunately the program does not work with 4.0 so we cannot
>purchase new Quarks.
>
>I realize the obvious solution would be to rewrite the software, that is
>being done, but in the meantime we have deadlines to meet and need some
>additional copies. What we are needing to do is find someone who has
>some
>old versions of Quark they are willing to sell. Maybe they have switched
>to
>Adobe Pagemaker and don't need Quark anymore. (Given the arrogance of
>Quark, I wouldn't be surprised. They want more for the older version of
>Quark then the 4.0!)
>
>If anyone has a copy they are willing to sell or know of anywhere to
>look
>please let me know. Thanks!
>--
>Beth Ernst
>Fastline Publications
>bernst@fastlinepub.com
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David McKnight (dmcknight@mis.fleetwood.com)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:01:48 -0700
"From Rhapsody, the OS that Apple began to develop after it purchased
Next, Mac OS X will get stability and speed improvements that simply
aren't possible with today's Mac OS...
"Don't let the name Mac OS X mislead you into thinking this is just
another operating system update. Mac OS X isn't like any version of
the Mac OS that's come before. It's a new OS -- but it provides a Mac
interface and compatibility with Mac applications. Even calling it new
is a little misleading -- at its core, it's essentially Rhapsody with
native Mac OS compatibility... features include preemptive
multitasking, protected memory, and a high-performance kernel."
Yes, it does use the Mach kernel. It is not "simply a cleaned up
extension" of OS 8.
My recommendation to people who post is to check their facts, and
provide a source for those facts (unless of course you are passing
along a personal experience). My recommendation to anyone who reads a
post is to make sure that it includes an authoritative source that you
can trust beyond he or she who posts. And remember, that personal
experiences are great, too -- but they can be based on following a
process improperly. Don't make important decisions based purely on one
or two personal experiences either.
Lists like this are great resources, but they can also easily
perpetuate inaccurate information.
DAVID
David K. McKnight
Advertising & Public Relations Manager
Fleetwood RV
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>Subject: Re: Re:Choice of AppleShare IP 6.0 vs. NT (WinMac #91)
> You are confusing "Rhapsody," NeXTStep, and OS X...
>
> NeXTStep was Steve Jobs' OS based on the Mach kernel (Carnegie Mellon) UNIX;
> "Rhapsody" was supposed to be Apple's implementation of NeXTStep, with the
> Yellow Box and Blue Box; OS X is simply a cleaned up extension of MacOS
> 8... It has nothing to do
> with any form of UNIX.
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:27:59 -0400
First off, thank you for the kind comments... It really made my afternoon!
I made a slight error in my original note: The book "Optimizing Windows
NT" [ISBN 0-7645-3110-7] was authored by Sean K. Daily... Kirk Erichsen
(whom I cited as the author) was a major co-author, though.
I'll reply to some of this publicly [inline for clarity]; and more will be
off the list in private correspondence.
At 12:58 PM 10/13/98 -0400, you wrote:
> Dear Mr. Schwartz,
>
> Let me first say -for the record- that I am absolutely impressed with
> your reply. It is uncommon to get a calm, balanced and objective
> response when it comes to comparative analysis (particularly in
> regards to Religion, Politics and Computer Platforms).
>
> I really appreciate that you're not only expressing your views and
> fundamenting your arguments with references, but also including URL's
> for easy verification and referral. Very thoughtfull of you, indeed.
>
> My next web-surfing session will undoubtedly include those Alpha
> Clones sites you mentioned. My concern would be quality of components
> and support from the vendors, since the prices you mention are
> certainly eye-opening.
Yes: buying a full-blown 533 mHz NT workstation for $1795 is mind-blowing.
Also, now that "barebones" 533 mHz machines can be had for $775 from DCG
<http://www.dcginc.com>; as well as Merced already 2 1/2 years late,
there's not much of an excuse for continuing down the 32 bit x86 path.
"Titanic" would have never made it to the Oscar Awards without help from a
bank of 200 Alpha's, either. [About half were running NT4 and the other
half *nix... All from Carrera.]
[more below]
> For instance, my HP Netservers are replaced within 24hours if they're
> unable to fix the hardware problem on-site (usually with a loaner that
> keeps my network running while my server is being repaired). Apple has
> the same kind of deal, as well as IBM and Compaq.
And the service will get even better from Compaq: The main reason for them
buying DIGITAL -- A 40 year player in the computer industry -- was to
acquire their service network.
> Have you had any experiences with any of those Alpha Clones vendors?
Yes: DCG is excellent as a dealer... And they are the low-cost Alpha
cloner (like Power Computing). By reputation, Aspen and Carrera are also
quite good, as is DEC themselves.
>
> As far as tweking the registry and using the "last known good
> configuration," as well as multiple reboots during installation, all
> those are perfect examples of why I would like to move away from NT.
> It's just too time consuming compared to Netware or AppleShare, and
> precisely those elements characteristic of Windows NT (whether 3.5 or
> 4.0) are what increases the TCO of such platform (IMO).
Yes, the multiple reboots are a bit of a pain when installing NT... And
don't forget another reboot after installing SP3.
However, when setting up multiple machines (like I'm doing right now with
three Compaq DeskPro 6000's for a customer ($799 MacWarehouse special)!),
you can set up one machine as a "reference," install and configure the OS,
then clone the drives and run a SID changer.
And guess what? I'll be cloning the SCSI drives on my trusty Quadra 650! :)
>
> What additional benefits are there in NT that could justify dedicating
> so much time and so much investment in hardware? I have been running
> NT 4.0 for almost a year and frankly, I am not impressed. Am I missing
> something?
Possibly: If you are getting BSOD's as you mentioned previously, then it
might be one of several things... And often these are also related to
performance bottlenecks.
1) Make sure your drivers are up to date: Go to each vendors site (such as
<http://www.adaptec.com>, <http://www.symbios.com>, <http://www.qlc.com>,
<http://www.diamondmm.com>, <http://www.matrox.com>,
<http://www.hp.com>,...) and download the latest driver packs; and also
look at the Release Notes & Read-Me's. Some of the manufacturers (notably
H-P and Diamond Multimedia) also have eMail notification when a new driver
is released -- A service I exploit.
[This advice is actually quite generic: I also keep tabs on key MacOS
software publishers for patches & updates from <http://www.connectix.com>,
<http://www.aladdinsys.com>, <http://www.adobe.com>, and
<http://www.quark.com>. The reason for this is that certain Extensions dig
down pretty deep into the MacOS, so that anytime the MacOS sneezes, ATM,
Stuffit Deluxe, and RAMDoubler need to be updated. In addition, I keep an
eye on Ric Ford's column at <http://www.macintouch.com>.]
2) Try to shut down extraneous Services: H-P's proprietary Services can be
a bit flaky, for example. Another example is to set certain Services to
"Manual" so that they only start when called upon. My philosophy for the
MacOS (as well as for NT) is to run with the minimum number of Extensions
(Services) possible -- Lean and Mean is my watchword;
3) Divide and Conquer: With hardware so inexpensive, it sometimes pays to
divide the load amongst several smaller machines. For example, set up a
spare desktop computer as your PDC, and then demote your other servers to
BDC's... Or even standalone status;
4) Don't be a N.E.R.D.: "No Emergency Repair Disk;"
5) Add the DWORD:
"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\FileSystem\NtfsDisableLastAcces
sUpdate" (no quotes) and set the DWORD value to 1. This will tremendously
speed up all disk access (as long as you don't need Security Auditing).
This is documented in both Sean Daily's "Optimizing Windows NT" book as
well as on this very WinMac site at <http://www.macwindows.com/servtips.html>;
6) Buy more RAM... It's cheaper than therapy! :)
> You are right in pointing out the superior underlying technology of NT
> as compared to the MacOS, but if all I wanted was a better kernel I
> would migrate to UNIX (Solaris, SCO or even Linux). By the way, are
> you familiar with that option?
Yes: There are four operating systems that run nicely on the Alpha
platform: Windows NT, OpenVMS, DIGITAL UNIX (64 bit), and Linux (64 bit).
In addition NT5 will be partially 64 bit for the Alpha ONLY.
I toyed around with Western Electric Unix on a PDP-11/45 in college almost
20 years ago; but if I had to go upwards from NT I would strongly consider
OpenVMS first. Some of the utilities for NT (such as Diskeeper) actually
originated in the OpenVMS arena and were then migrated to NT.
>
> Maybe you can provide me with an Alpha server with NT or Solaris at a
> good price point? Tech support by e-mail and fax is OK as long as is
> expedite. Perhaps you would like to help us change PC's for Macs in
> our remote offices in the future? (3 to 6 months) I see that you are a
> Mac consultat, at least that's what your signature says (though your
> posts seem to originate more from an NT consultant than a Macintosh
> one).
Actually, last year I started with NT, and my business was about 90% MacOS
and 10% Windows NT. This year, it's already over 50% NT and climbing. I
specialize in service to mixed platform (MacOS/NT) shops; and as a general
rule I avoid Windoze 95 like the plague!
[Balance responded to privately]
>
> Lastly, I would appreciate if you could give me any input on
> AppleShare IP 6.0 serving PC and Mac clients using a Faircom
> C-tree-based application in a network of 50 nodes.
I generally don't speculate too much: I'm not familiar with your
particular application. If you can fill me in privately, I'll research it
for you.
>
> Again, thank you so much for your time and knowledge.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Omar Chávez
> Technical Services Director
> *********************************************************
> Flite Line Equipment Corp.
> Corporate Headquarters
> 1100 NW 163rd Drive
> Miami, FL 33169 * USA
> Tel (305) 626-0004 * Fax (305) 626-0566 * OmarChavez@fliteline.usa.com
> --Los Angeles--Chicago--San Francisco--Washington DC--Honolulu--Miami-
> *********************************************************
>
>
> ----------
> From: Dan Schwartz
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 1998 2:08 PM
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Cc: OmarChavez@fliteline.usa.com
> Subject: Good NT Book; Re: Choice of AppleShare IP 6.0 vs. NT
>
>
> Dear Mr. Chávez:
>
> Four salient points:
>
> 1) You can buy very nice 533 mHz Alpha clones from DCG for well
> under $2,000.
> <http://www.dcginc.com>. Also, Enorex, DeskStation, Microway,
> Carrera, and
> Aspen make nice Alpha clones...
>
> Please click on <http://www.alphant.com> for more info on the
> purchasing,
> care, and feeding of Alpha's running NT. You'll be glad you did
>
> -> Now, where did you go, Power Computing, when we need you?
>
> 2) If you are getting BSOD's (Blue Screen of Death) in NT, they
> can
> *usually* be quickly solved by using the "Last Known Good
> Configuration."
> In addition, I borrowed a trick from Conflict Catcher: I create a
> "Minimal
> Services" Hardware Profile (startup configuration), including not
> starting
> the Networking Services;
>
> 3) Along these same lines, get a copy of Kirk Erichsen's
> "Optimizing
> Windows NT" [ISBN 0-7645-3110-7] The recovery & repair techniques on
> pages
> 743-757 is worth the (AMAZON.COM mail order) price of $39.95 alone
>
> 4) I somewhat agree with the assessment about NT's Mac print
> spooler to be
> somewhat troublesome. BUT:
> A) If you are printing to a raster printer, then you DO need to
> be a bit
> more careful in the spooler setup, since you are using a LaserWriter 8
> driver to send a PostScript® file to the NT spooler to be RIP'ed;
> B) This is one area where the MacOS excels: If you have
> PostScript
> printers, just print to these machines directly. You don't need to
> spool
> through NT (in most cases), since Print Monitor DOES do a very nice
> job. I
> always give credit when credit is due, and MacOS printing has ALWAYS
> been
> its strong suit.
>
> [More comments inline]
>
> At 11:12 AM 10/12/98 -0400, Omar Chávez wrote:
> >
> >> NT's Express Setup is actually easier than navigating through
> >> MacOS
> >> 8.1's arcane installation process.
> >>
> >> I disagree with that. For most people APIP is a lot easier to setup
> >> than NT. Any Macintosh user with Intermediate knowledge of the OS
> is
> >> able to install APIP, whereas to install NT you need at the very
> least
> >> a PowerUser, more likely a Network Engineer (MCSE).
>
> Surprisingly, no. I found the learning curve/changeover from
> AppleShare
> 4.0.2 & 4.2.2, and Apple Internet Router 3.0.1 to NT/S 3.51 (as well
> as
> NT/S 4.0) to be surprisingly easy. Yes, M$ "knocked off" most of the
> MacOS
> GUI... But the underlying kernel is much more robust than the MacOS
> 8.x. If
> you have a single NIC *AND* everything inside is on the HCL, then you
> can
> just about hit "Enter" for all the defaults... Except you need to
> pause
> during the Networking installation to add Services for Macintosh.
> Reboot,
> then apply SP3 & SFM hotfix, and all will be fine.
>
>
> >>
> >> What part of 600 mHz don't you understand?
> >> And you tell me that an Alpha 600 is in the same price range as an
> >> AWS9600? I really doubt it. I think that the original poster was
> >> referring to Workgroup Servers, not Enterprise Servers. In
> workgroup
> >> servers with a price point of less than $6,000.00 the AWS gives you
> >> more bung for the buck IMHO.
> ^^^^
> You mean "bang"... I hope :)
>
> Yes; but at $2000 a 533 mHz NT Server is still a better buy.
> >>
> >> Lastly, you can run NT/Server as a workstation OS with the Server
> >> services
> >> in the background. If an app crashes, it simply gets flushed and
> >> doesn't
> >> bring down the whole machine. Try running Photoshop simultaneously
> >> with ANY
> >> version of AppleShare and watch what happens
> >> I would say that any network comprised of more than 10 nodes
> DEMANDS a
> >> dedicated server.
>
> It depends on what the server is doing. If it is being used as a
> simple
> file server, then about 10 connected users is about right. BUT, it all
> depends on what apps the clients are using; and what software the
> server
> local user is running.
>
> >>
> >> Also, what ever happened to the lifetime toll-free tech support
> from
> >> Apple's Business Systems Division
> >> Apple still offers a much better deal in Tech support than
> Microsoft.
> >>
> >> My current network is NT, but I am seriously considering moving to
> >> ASIP6. NT is stable and fast most of the time, but when you start
> to
> >> get a "blue screen of death" you better start verifying your bank's
> >> account, since its going to cost you dearly in terms of time and
> >> money.
>
> True to a point. But if you follow the HCL's, and the KISS
> principle with
> NT, then BSOD's just don't occur. Shutting down extraneous services
> helps
> enhance stability quite a bit. Also, having enough RAM and tweaking
> the
> Registry a bit also helps stability as well as speed.
>
> Let's try to work together to solve the problems you *are*
> having: More
> likely than not it's just a 3rd party driver problem.
>
> >>
> >> Omar Chávez
> >> Technical Services Director
> >> *********************************************************
> >> Flite Line Equipment Corp.
> >> Corporate Headquarters
> >> 1100 NW 163rd Drive
> >> Miami, FL 33169 * USA
> >> Tel (305) 626-0004 * Fax (305) 626-0566 *
> OmarChavez@fliteline.usa.com
> >> --Los Angeles--Chicago--San Francisco--Washington
> DC--Honolulu--Miami-
> >> *********************************************************
Yours truly,
Daniel L. Schwartz,
Electrical Engineer.
Dan's Macintosh Consulting
Suite 1306
1840 Frontage Road
Cherry Hill, NJ 08034-2205
609-795-8965
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:43:20 -0400
I have a few comments about the page:
<http://www.macwindows.com/NTunsolv.html>. I'll put them inline for
clarity, indented.
---------------
July 13, 1998
Tom Ackenhusen of the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory told us of a
work around he uses for the problem:
"Every time we reboot our NT server, we go into the Windows File Manager on
the server and delete and recreate the Mac volume. Note that we don't
delete or touch the NT directory or contents in this process. We just use
the MacFile menu of File Manager to remove the Mac volume for the network
folder and then recreate it. Since you can't remove the volume when users
are connected, we often have to stop and restart SFM before doing this if
users have connected."
---------------
If there are thousands of files, this can take quite a while... Especially
if there is a software (driver level) RAID Level 5 array. But it WILL work,
nonetheless.
---------------
Sept. 17, 1998
Dagfinn Andersen
We have also experienced the alias problems when installing the latest
hotfix, but even worse: After a power failure the good old "files disappear
from mounted server volumes on Macs"-problem hit us hard. When this
happened earlier we were able to rescue our files by either redefine the
Mac volume or moving folders around. But not this time. We even copied the
files to another NT server (with the same hotfix) using different tools in
Windows NT (scopy/File manager) but the files where still missing for our
Macs.
To get back in business we installed the SFM-version prior to the hotfix....
We running NT on Digital Alpha hardware.
---------------
Dagfinn Andersen definitely needs to be using a(n) U.P.S. with his Alpha
server, along with properly configuring the UPS Control Panel (UPS Service).
Also, when he copied the files via XCOPY (which he called "scopy"), not
all of the NTFS streams may have made it across. This is guaranteed to
corrupt fragile Resource forks. [This can also be an issue with restoring
backups... I recommend UltraBac <http://www.ultrabac.com> since it properly
handles SFM volumes.]
---------------
Folders or drive volumes that won't close
DESCRIPTION: A folder or a drive volume on the NT Server is open on a Mac,
it can't be closed. Clicking on the close box has no effect.
[We can speculate that the problem is related to the fact that Apple's
official line is that the Mac doesn't support volumes over 4 GB, even
though it seems to work. Apple's official documents all advise people not
to use partitions over 4 GB.]
Gregory Olen wrote back to say that he thinks the problem may be due to Mac
users having the problem closing the window had the "calculate folder
sizes" option turned on in the View Options menu for that particular
folder. Other readers claim this is not the case:
Sept. 27 1998
Steve Mack
We experienced this. At the time, we were running a 200 MHz server with 100
MB or RAM. We replaced it with a Compaq Proliant 3000 server with 320 MB of
RAM and dual processors and even after a fresh OS install and a full data
restore the problem did not go away. Finally just for grins, I created a
new folder with a different name, copied the files over to it and trashed
the old folder and the problem immediately went away for good. I have no
idea why this worked. The original folder was titled "Personal Folders". We
have not had this problem with closing volumes. Just with closing a folder.
By the way, windows machines did not have a problem with this folder.
This happened on a 50 gig server. We always keep Calculate Folder sizes
turned off. We spent a small fortune on this one and Microsoft was unable
to help and when I told them our solution, they said it didn't make sense.
Eventually after about 5 - 8 minutes our window would finally close.
---------------
Here, the key word is "copied." When Steve Mack copied the files he also
defragmented them, speeding up disk access tremendously.
A secondary cause for this is that the disk is over about 75%-80% full,
causing the MFT (Master File Table) to become fragmented. In general, when
you look at the display screen in Diskeeper 3.0, you want the top couple of
rows (where the MFT is located) to be "clean." Generally, I turn ON the MFT
logging in Diskeeper so I can review MFT status in the Event Viewer.
---------------
Mac Viruses on large NT MacFile volumes
There seems to be no way to check for Macintosh viruses on Windows NT
Services for Macintosh volumes that are larger than 4 GB (possibly related
to the AFP 4 GB limit issue). Jeff Miller first brought this to our attention:
"Many of my clients are using Macs and NT 4.0 servers with SFM. I would
like to scan these SFM volumes for Mac viruses (Worm autostart and Graphic
Accelerator). Norton Anti-virus (Mac and PC), Virex, and the plethora of
shareware do not correctly scan large SFM volumes over a network and PC
programs do not scan for Mac viruses. Any suggestions?"
We suggested running Thursby Systems' DAVE, which bypasses the Apple Filing
Protocol. Several readers told us why running Thursby DAVE doesn't work.
Others told us that they are using it and that it works fine.
Oct. 9, 1998
Jeff Miller
"Some smaller volumes will allow NAV administrator to run, but it usually
locks up. Part of the problem I think is SFM volumes are still NTFS
volumes, not HFS so the Mac apps don't recognize the file structure
properly. (SFM does not change the volumes, simply interprets it for Mac.)
The problem could easily be solved if someone would include Mac virus
definitions with their PC software but as of yet no one does that I know of."
On October 11, Miller added:
"I and my consulting company [Technical Resource Systems] will continue to
work on the issue. I have also contacted Symantec and they are looking into
the issue from a Norton Anti-Virus Admin angle."
Oct. 10, 1998
Nate Caplin of Knight Ridder/Tribune Information Services
"Although I have not tried this yet (I could... I have DAVE and administer
SFM volumes over 4 GB), this would probably not work reliably because when
you access a Windows drive with DAVE, even though it may be an SFM volume,
your Mac cannot access the files' Mac resource forks, which can contain
viruses. Your Mac can't see the resource fork because NT Server ignores
them when feeding files to Windows clients, which is what DAVE makes your
Mac pretend to be. Furthermore, it's usually the finder type/creator codes
(which are part of the resource fork) that identify file types
(application, document, etc.) to Mac applications, including virus
checkers, no doubt."
"Here's a workaround... Just run virus scans on folders less than 2 GB or 4
GB, rather than an entire drive."
Oct. 12, 1998
Wolfgang Klee
"I have mounted with Dave 2.1 a NT server (110 GB, 15 GB free space, no
services for Macintosh installed). There seems to be no problem scanning my
data folders with SAM. SAM worked normal and ended with the standard
information about the number of scanned files."
Oct. 12, 1998
Teck Beng
"I have NTFS Volume setup as a Mac network volume. It is protected with
Norton Anti-Virus for NT 4.0, it doesn't detect the DB virus that I put
into one of the folders in the server. Using the scanner to scan through
the server doesn't mentioned anything about it. I can only conclude that
the definition (mine has being updated with 1007I32.exe) does not check for
Macintosh virus."
---------------
There are two tools I use in my anti-virus arsenal: WormFood 1.3,
available from <http://www.macintouch.com>, which WILL scan SFM volumes >4
gB; and Sophos SWEEP 3.12 <http://www.sophos.com>. SWEEP will indeed check
for Macintosh virus,' including the AutoStart 9805 worm. However, sweeping
for Macintosh virus' needs to be manually checked off as a Scanning
Preference... Default is OFF.
Yours truly,
Daniel L. Schwartz,
Electrical Engineer.
Dan's Macintosh Consulting
Suite 1306
1840 Frontage Road
Cherry Hill, NJ 08034-2205
609-795-8965
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Paul E. Jacoby (pejacoby@imation.com)
Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:16:18 -0500
No interconnection to the Windows NT domain security model
In other words, say you are a corporation based on Windows NT. Everyone
has a domain login, you use WINS, etc. You bring in an AppleShareIP 6.0
server. Your PC users can use SMB to connect to it. But how do you get
their ACCOUNT information onto the server?
You type it in by hand or use some of the tools to bulk-add user ID's.
But what about passwords? And when those NT domain passwords age-out and
have to be changed, your ASIP 6.0 server is completely out of sync. Now
what?
The missing link with ASIP 6.0 is it's lack of interconnect with NT
domains. Sure, it can broadcast to a WINS domain so Windows folks can see
the server. But that's about it.
I've mentioned to Apple on more than one occassion that this is a major
missing link, one that I see keeping ASIP out of some larger NT-based
corporations. I'm interested in other comments and impressions.
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:12:50 -0400
Please see my post correcting my error on OS X. It was sent to the WinMac
list Monday at 12:15PM EDT. Below is the full text, including headers.
As for Apple screwing over the millions of owners of 60x series machines,
I stand firmly behind that statement. The 44xx, 63xx, 64xx, and 65xx series
machines are still available NEW in the distribution channels!
I can accept that NuBus PowerPC machines would not be supported: I was
tipped off to this issue on the BeOS site at:
<http://www.be.com/support/qandas/powermac.html>, and:
<http://www.be.com/support/guides/beosreadylist_ppc.html>; but I cannot
and *will not* accept that the dozens of 604-based 7500's, 7600's, 8500's,
8600's, 9500's, and 9600's I have recommended and installed are soon going
to be commercially obsolete.
In re your argument about 486 support:
A) There are still 486 machines on the Microsoft HCL (Hardware
Compatibility List) <http://www.microsoft.com/hwtest/hcl/default.htm> for
NT4, such as the Compaq Prosignia VS;
B) The Mach kernel (as well as Linux) will run nicely on a 486, so CPU
"horsepower" is not an issue for OS/X;
C) The 486 CPU was replaced by the Pentium series over 4 years ago...
About the same time as the original PowerMacs shipped in March, 1994!
As I said before, I'm fed up with Steve Jobs' littering my customers with
machines and software where support is killed off. AIX and the Network
Server 500's & 700's are a classic example. And let's not forget A/UX on
the Workgroup Server 95's, either. Or Pixar Showplace and Typestry for
MacOS & Windows... Remember, Jobs owns Pixar, too.
Pissed off former MacOS evangelist,
Daniel L. Schwartz
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I stand corrected... OS X and the "Carbon" API was not clearly defined
when I read about it in MacWeek when it was announced.
At 09:56 AM 10/12/98 -0400, Curtis wrote:
>At 01:02 AM 10/12/98 -0400, Dan Schwartz wrote:
>>
>> Dear Al:
>>
>> You are confusing "Rhapsody," NeXTStep, and OS X...
>> NeXTStep was Steve Jobs' OS based on the Mach kernel (Carnegie Mellon)
UNIX;
>> "Rhapsody" was supposed to be Apple's implementation of NeXTStep, with the
>>Yellow Box and Blue Box;
>> OS X is simply a cleaned up extension of MacOS 8... It has nothing to do
>>with any form of UNIX.
>> Just another form of Jobs' doubletalk... OS X is still the MacOS; and more
>>importantly lacking NT's, OpenVMS,' and UNIX' protected memory and
>>multitasking.
>>At 11:10 PM 10/11/98 EDT, ProfSci@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>In a message dated 10/11/98 6:18:34 PM, expresso@snip.net writes:
>>>
>>> Rhapsody was killed off by Steve Jobs. Typical Steve Jobs: Pan off his
>>>struggling NeXT onto Apple for $400 million in December, 1996; and then
>>>kill off the product that Apple bought.
>>>
>>>The Rhapsody (Mac OS X) Server software is due out this month, as I
>>understand
>>>it.
>
>I'm not going to explain all the ways this is wrong, everyone interested
>please read this article:
><http://macworld.zdnet.com/pages/august.98/Feature.4406.html>
>
>The magic word in MacOS X is 'Carbon,' the name for the cleaned up, updated
>Mac Toolbox. Unlike with Rhapsody, applications won't have to be written
>from scratch to operate, just updated to take advantage of the OS's
>improvements. If an app runs under MacOS 8, it'll run under MacOS X.
>Carbon-updated apps will run under MacOS 8 (will probably require something
>like a 'Carbon compatibility' extension for MacOS 8). Mac OS X will also
>have Rhapsody's "Yellow Box" but I don't think I could explain it well.
>
>Things Mac OS X will have: Protected Memory, Preemptive Multitasking,
>Virtual Memory (w/ no more need to increase RAM allotment from Get Info
>window), Multithreading and Multiprocessing, Mach Kernel.
>
>Rhapsody 1.0 (w/ full "blue box" Mac OS emulation) is still suppposed to be
>released this fall but that may be basically the end of it.
>--
>Curtis Wilcox cwcx@cc.rochester.edu
>Desktop Systems Consultant 716/274-1160
>Eastman School of Music Pager: x12-3290
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At 09:39 AM 10/14/98 -0400, Al wrote:
>
>.
>
>Dan,
>
>You often have *very* good technical comments but also
>spew out the most misplaced Apple flames and complete
>misleading misunderstanding statements about upcoming
>technology that you obviously have missed.
>
>The nonsense you wrote about MacOS X not having a UNIX
>kernel is a good example of where you have missed the
>boat.
>
>An example of a rant of yours from today:
>"Just another way Apple screws loyal users:
>Discontinuing support for millions of 60x-series
>machines... Thanks, Steve..."
>
>Come on Dan! First, comments like this have nothing
>to do on a technical list and secondly, how about all
>those loyal 286 and 386 (as well as 486) users that
>have been left high and dry? This is nonsense.
>
>In short, I truly like it when you write on technical
>issues that you are knowledgeable about but I could
>care less about your rants and the misinformation.
>
>Thanks for your time.
>
>Thomas Kase
>GM/co-founder
> accessio.com inc., 33 south main street, #7, south norwalk, ct 06854
> phone: 203.866.4454 fax: 203.866.4546 ICQ #7993841
> email: thomas@accessio.com , web: http://www.accessio.com/
>\\\\ the bridge to Japan (TM) \\\\
>
>
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josh hope (hope_j@primesource.net)
Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:05:03 +0100
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David E. Stewart (dstewart@io.com)
Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:48:45 -0500 (CDT)
> Not exactly a cross platform issue... Hard drive was damaged on a
> networked Pentium. Replaced drive with a larger unit. Reset Bios to
> match drive parameters. Win 95 will not re-load. Goes through setup
> and scans and then gives an error message that the computer company felt
> was an indication that processor was damaged. I didn't agree and
> checked by reinstalling old hard drive. I formatted the old drive and
> reinstalled Win 95 with no problems. One person suggested that the new
> drive may require low level formatting. Any ideas?
>
> Drive is 5.2 GIGS. Award Bios installed supports this size. Win 95 is
> version B.
If I'm not mistaken your version of Win95 will not recognize a volume of
over 2GB. Most likely you need to run FDISK and set your primary DOS
partition to 2GB, with other partitions however you prefer (one 2GB and
one 1GB, or two 1.5GB). FAT32 is required to format volumes over 2GB as
one partition; your Win95 only supports FAT16. After you're done with
FDISK, you can use FORMAT.COM from your Win95 boot floppy to format your
volumes, or sometimes Win95 Setup will do it for you.
Also if you can set your BIOS to auto-detect the drive's parameters, I
would enable that, rather than manually inputting them.
> Also the boot disk provided by the manufacturer seems to set the CD ROM
> as rthe Z drive. This doesn't go away after installing Win 95 from the
> CD. Each time a CD is loaded, one must manually point the computer to
> the D drive.
Was this the manufacturer of the drive or the computer? If it came from
the HD vendor, uninstall anything that you installed off that disk. If
your BIOS supports 5GB volumes you shouldn't need it. If the disk came
from your computer vendor, I'd probably check the BIOS to see if the CD's
drive letter is set there.
Hope this helps...
--ds
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Paul Frankenstein (frankens@wnet.org)
Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:55:02 -0400
Last time I looked the only new machines in the sales channels were all
G3-based. Refurbished/remanufactured 44/63/64/65xx machines, however, are
still floating around out there (as are 86/9600s).
> I can accept that NuBus PowerPC machines would not be supported: I was
>tipped off to this issue on the BeOS site at:
> <http://www.be.com/support/qandas/powermac.html>, and:
> <http://www.be.com/support/guides/beosreadylist_ppc.html>; but I cannot
>and *will not* accept that the dozens of 604-based 7500's, 7600's, 8500's,
>8600's, 9500's, and 9600's I have recommended and installed are soon going
>to be commercially obsolete.
Ten to one OS X *will* run on a 86/9600; I'm willing to take the chance that
it'll run on my PowerCenter (7200 motherboard design).
In any event, by the time OS X actually ships (sometime before the end of
1999, probably sometime before NT 5), those 604-based machines will be
coming close to the end of their production life cycle, and will be due for
replacement.
paul
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Debbie Carraway (debbie_carraway@ncsu.edu)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:07:59 -0400
I've got a PowerMac 7200 that reports an "IP conflict with the machine
at...", which would be OK except that the hardware address corresponds to
the machine itself. It's running Open Transport 1.1.2 under Mac OS 7.6.1,
and it is getting its IP address from a NetWare 4 DHCP server (latest
version - I think it's revision P).
I tried downing the server, deleting/recreating it in the DHCP tables,
deleting the AppleShare/ASLM/TCP/IP preferences; the only thing that worked
was to give it a different IP address on the DHCP server. I'm kinda
baffled... has anyone else run into this?
TIA,
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Darryl Lee (lee@darryl.com)
Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:10:37 -0700 (PDT)
Not sure how this happens. _Possibly_ had to do with the fact that
the machine was connected to a switch? If you've got one, you might
try rebooting it.
--D
Debbie Carraway wrote:
> I've got a PowerMac 7200 that reports an "IP conflict with the machine
> at...", which would be OK except that the hardware address corresponds to
> the machine itself. It's running Open Transport 1.1.2 under Mac OS 7.6.1,
> and it is getting its IP address from a NetWare 4 DHCP server (latest
> version - I think it's revision P).
>
> I tried downing the server, deleting/recreating it in the DHCP tables,
> deleting the AppleShare/ASLM/TCP/IP preferences; the only thing that worked
> was to give it a different IP address on the DHCP server. I'm kinda
> baffled... has anyone else run into this?
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Mr Stux (stux@mactrix.com)
Thu, 15 Oct 98 04:44:25 +1000
Basically we have 2 main domains... abc.com and bbc.com ;) and we want to
be able to get email from both domains by connecting to the one server...
Of course everyone "john@abc.com" and all other users have the same first
part of their address @bbc.com... so john@bbc.com exists too :)
Any ideas? Or do I just have to set up a quick EIMS system for the 2nd
domain?
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Mr Stux (stux@mactrix.com)
Thu, 15 Oct 98 04:47:34 +1000
It is possible that they are only Promising G3 support at this time.. But
when we actually get there their will be... 604 support. Or 8600
support...
All it takes is one engineer on the project to decide he wants it to work
on his home mac ;)
Whatever... I don't like the chances of it running on My PowerComputing
PCP180 :(
But it might :)
Or X.1?
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John.McDonnell@gen.friendsfirst.ie
Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:26 +0100 (BST)
I know this is slightly off topic, but the list (digest version) is growing
increasingly difficult to read. With different mailers quoting old messages
differently (some at the start of the message, some at the end, some even after
the signature), people including entire posts in replies and no indication as to
where one message starts and another one ends. I also have the problem of some
messages appearing as text attachments with no wrapping.
Is there something that can be done about this?
john
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John W. McCarthy (jwmcmac@flash.net)
Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:45:02 -0500
How difficult would it be to have links on this html doc list so that
the Responses listed at the beginning of each digest can be
mouse-clicked in our email browser to jump to that Re: in the digest?
Must be a program that would easily do that. It seems that if this
digest was edited in Netscape, or perhaps in BB-edit, that the URL tags
for jumping to the Re:'s could be relatively easily "search and
replaced". Perhaps AppleScript could even do it in TeachText or SimpleText.
I'm not a programmer, but couldn't this be done.
The digests would become much easier to navigate and read and a real pleasure.
Any ideas? Any suggestions from you programmers out there?
Sorry if this is a stupid inquiry/suggestion.
God Bless you all for this venture, this digest.
I really like the Mac. There are so many IS people out there who
denigrate the Mac to the nth degree. They know not what they do . . .
that is the category they must be put in.
The PC is wonderful for those who have the time and wherewithal to learn
its many intricate details. The Mac is for the masses who need a simple
yet profound creative tool and can follow simple directions.
I agree with Mr. Dan Schwartz (?) who said that the KISS rule applies
(Keep It Simple Silly), but at the same time, if you do not want to KISS
with your system's configuration then you had better have a Mac because
KISS is built-in to the Mac to a profound degree and hopefully always
will be.
When I see techs ambivalently moving away from the Mac and embracing the
Wintel environments, it reminds me of a fly moving toward a fly trap or
a car approaching a cliff (Y2k) and as long as we all get caught
together everything will be ok. . . .
. . . but that's just me being melodramatic. I know that both
platforms can do the job and that there are others that can do better
than the both of them.
I also know that the Mac deserves better than it usually gets, usually.
It has many faults, could be much better (built in graphics acceleration
is long overdue), priced too high (most of the time), never puts its
best foot forward (no firewire on the imac).
But the Mac is a computer and OS of promise. It extends our hopes, our
dreams, our abilities and creativity's. It is the computer that has
inspired in its users the idea that we can do it all and that is why the
Mac has had such a devoted community of users.
We know it is not the machine or the OS of themselves, but it is the
idea that inspired and that drives the machine and OS and the community
which we admire and perhaps would say "Love".
The Mac idea is an admirable one. We hate to let it go for . . . what
? . . for a wintel ? . . . a generic idea that stifles the life out of
you . . . or seems to. No other computing system has this grand idea
wed to it, to be all things to all computing environments.
The Mac and Mac community has carried this torch, perhaps poorly at
times, but it has persevered in carrying it . . . against all odds . . .
and even to this moment.
The Mac won't die unless/until they abandon this idea or another takes
it up in the Macs place.
Some might say one reason Christianity has lasted till now is that it is
a wonderful idea and belief . . . Love and Mercy along with, but not
secondary to, a strict sense of Justice and moral character all joined
in a HOLY HOPE of Salvation for those who have this FAITH. We need such
ideas to function together with good will toward others. The Mac fits
right in. Mac people usually enjoy helping one another.
The Mac is not a religion but it fits right in with the religious way
people need to live.
Hey, the Mac even fits for a complete independent or atheist. Atheist
live a religiously unconstrained life. They religiously want to order
their own lives any way they see fit. No man is an island, but if he
wants to be, the Mac offers him an ordered environment in which he has
the freedom to try anything. Atheism and Religion are not that easy to
distinguish in all circumstances. They have many common traits.
In a way the Mac is only a computer . . . but in another way it is so
much more than that . . . and that is why the Mac/Wintel battle
resembles a religious war at times. However, true religious peoples
show Mercy and Love toward those they deem to be less fortunate and so
should we all.
And that is why this Win/Mac digest is a wonderful gift to both
platforms and should be readily commended by all.
Pat Kelly McCarthy
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Omar Chávez (OmarChavez@fliteline.usa.com)
Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:04:56 -0400
In fact, I am almost ready to bring in an AppleShare server for a
Mission-Critical application (our financial/accounting/inventory control
system) but am a bit concerned about password maintenance.
One thing to keep in mind though, is that the security model of NT is
being replaced from a multiple domain system (not very scalable and
difficult to manage at an enterprise level) to a global directory
service in NT 5.0.
In other words, if Apple or a third party developer figure out a way to
plug in AppleShare into an NT domain and leverage NT's SM, all that
effort would be wasted when NT 5 finally appears.
For sure, Apple is starting "to get it" by releasing ASIP 6.0 with
built-in support for Windows and a "pure" IP stack. Those technological
improvements coupled with Apple's current operational excellence and a
vastly improved PR campaign are making those G3 servers fly off the
shelves.
I'd love to hear from others about their opinions/experiences/knowledge
on this topic (ASIP/NT security).
Cheers,
Omar Chávez
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> ----------
> From: Paul E. Jacoby
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 12:16 PM
> Subject: [WinMac] AppleShare IP 6.0 vs. NT - domain security
> model?
>
>
>
> Interesting discussion here. I'd like to get impression on an item I
> see
> as the single biggest thing missing from ASIP 6.0 and it's ability to
> play
> in "real corporate space":
>
> No interconnection to the Windows NT domain security model
>
> In other words, say you are a corporation based on Windows NT.
> Everyone
> has a domain login, you use WINS, etc. You bring in an AppleShareIP
> 6.0
> server. Your PC users can use SMB to connect to it. But how do you
> get
> their ACCOUNT information onto the server?
>
> You type it in by hand or use some of the tools to bulk-add user
> ID's.
> But what about passwords? And when those NT domain passwords age-out
> and
> have to be changed, your ASIP 6.0 server is completely out of sync.
> Now
> what?
>
> The missing link with ASIP 6.0 is it's lack of interconnect with NT
> domains. Sure, it can broadcast to a WINS domain so Windows folks can
> see
> the server. But that's about it.
>
> I've mentioned to Apple on more than one occassion that this is a
> major
> missing link, one that I see keeping ASIP out of some larger NT-based
> corporations. I'm interested in other comments and impressions.
>
>
>
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Omar Chávez (OmarChavez@fliteline.usa.com)
Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:54:21 -0400
I am glad you have corrected your error in regards to Mac OS X
(which I can't wait to get my hands on, by the way ;-))
I also agree with you on the tremendous amount of goodwill that
Apple would get if it could deliver its best OS to the 604 line.
However, I disagree with your statement saying: "the dozens of 604-based
...[systems]... I have recommended and installed are soon going
> to be commercially obsolete." The Mac OS continues and will continue
> to be improved for at least another two years, so a 604 system will
> still be able to run Apple's latest OS well into the year 2000.
>
Lastly, please keep in mind that the purpose of this list is to exchange
information about integrating Macintosh and Windows systems. Excuse me
if I am harsh, but I feel that rants and emotionally-charged comments
are out of place.
Please keep on sharing your technical expertise and your opinions. I
assure you they are appreciated and sought after.
Omar Chávez
Technical Services Director
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> ----------
> From: Dan Schwartz
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Comments
>
>
> Dear Brian and Al; and everyone else:
>
> Please see my post correcting my error on OS X. It was sent to
> the WinMac
> list Monday at 12:15PM EDT. Below is the full text, including headers.
>
> As for Apple screwing over the millions of owners of 60x series
> machines,
> I stand firmly behind that statement. The 44xx, 63xx, 64xx, and 65xx
> series
> machines are still available NEW in the distribution channels
>
> I can accept that NuBus PowerPC machines would not be supported:
> I was
> tipped off to this issue on the BeOS site at:
> <http://www.be.com/support/qandas/powermac.html>, and:
> <http://www.be.com/support/guides/beosreadylist_ppc.html>;
> In re your argument about 486 support:
> A) There are still 486 machines on the Microsoft HCL (Hardware
> Compatibility List) <http://www.microsoft.com/hwtest/hcl/default.htm>
> for
> NT4, such as the Compaq Prosignia VS;
> B) The Mach kernel (as well as Linux) will run nicely on a 486,
> so CPU
> "horsepower" is not an issue for OS/X;
> C) The 486 CPU was replaced by the Pentium series over 4 years
> ago...
> About the same time as the original PowerMacs shipped in March, 1994
>
> As I said before, I'm fed up with Steve Jobs' littering my
> customers with
> machines and software where support is killed off. AIX and the Network
> Server 500's & 700's are a classic example. And let's not forget A/UX
> on
> the Workgroup Server 95's, either. Or Pixar Showplace and Typestry for
> MacOS & Windows... Remember, Jobs owns Pixar, too.
>
> Pissed off former MacOS evangelist,
> Daniel L. Schwartz
>
> ---------------
>
> I stand corrected... OS X and the "Carbon" API was not clearly
> defined
> when I read about it in MacWeek when it was announced.
>
> >At 01:02 AM 10/12/98 -0400, Dan Schwartz wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Al:
> >>
> >> You are confusing "Rhapsody," NeXTStep, and OS X...
> >> NeXTStep was Steve Jobs' OS based on the Mach kernel (Carnegie
> Mellon)
> UNIX;
> >> "Rhapsody" was supposed to be Apple's implementation of
> NeXTStep, with the
> >>Yellow Box and Blue Box;
> >> OS X is simply a cleaned up extension of MacOS 8... It has
> nothing to do
> >>with any form of UNIX.
> >> Just another form of Jobs' doubletalk... OS X is still the
> MacOS; and more
> >>importantly lacking NT's, OpenVMS,' and UNIX' protected memory and
> >>multitasking.
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Ari Davidow (ari@ivritype.com)
Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:24:45 -0400
I have a newbie question. I set up Macintosh Services on one
of our NT servers, and can log on using my usual login to the
NT system. That, however, only gets me to a filesystem called
"Microsoft UAM". I can't find the area on the NT when I use
the file command, and it is locked on the Mac side, so I can't
write to it, create subfolders, or whatever.
I can't find any documentation on this. Either I am ging to
fast or looking in the wrong part of the Resource Kit of NT docs.
Can someone point me in the right direction?
ari
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John D. Muccigrosso (jmucci@umich.edu)
Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:29:51 -0400
Now I get internet access just fine with DHCP assignment of my ip address.
I can also log on and off the NetWare network with no problems. However
there are some oddities:
1. All filenames are reduced to 8.3 namespace. We use Win95 as well
as 3.1
around here, so I know that the files really have long names; they
appear to be just truncated (i.e., no ~ or anything).
2. If I try to copy a file from a netware volume to my mac, it works
fine
if the file is a text file with an original 8.3 name. Otherwise I
get a
disk error and the copy doesn't complete. (Binary 8.3 files lock
up the
machine for a while, but they still end with a disk error.)
3. If I try to copy from my mac to the netware volume, I get two
kinds of
errors: -51 (refnum error) if the file has an 8.3 name and -50
(paramErr - error in user parameter list) if not.
My account works perfectly well on a win95 machine, and I have complete
permissions for all the volumes I'm trying to access from my mac.
Is there something missing on the server side, or is there something else
I can try?
Thanks.
John D. Muccigrosso
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Thomas Roth (tomroth@wfubmc.edu)
Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:55:38 -0400
Macs make great network clients and are far easier to configure but I know
what you're talking about. Most the network guys know nothing about Macs
and so we've had to learn to take care of ourselves.
>Now I get internet access just fine with DHCP assignment of my ip address.
>I can also log on and off the NetWare network with no problems. However
>there are some oddities:
>
>All filenames are reduced to 8.3 namespace. We use Win95 as well
>as 3.1 around here, so I know that the files really have long names
You need to make sure some things are also have the right Mac stuff loaded
on the Netware server. Things like AFP.nlm and MAC.nam just to mention a
few. With AppleTalk loaded on the server you wouldn't even need the
Netware Client stuff and you could just use the built-in Appletalk from the
Mac's Chooser to log into the server.
The Mac is limited to 31 characters for filename but on the Netware server
you'll need to have either the OS2.nam loaded or I think your server will
run LONG.nam for the long file name support of Win95 & NT.
______________________________________________________________________
Tom Roth Wake Forest University School of Medicine
tomroth@wfubmc.edu Dept of Biomedical Communications
Tel 336.716.4493 Medical Center Blvd
Fax 336.716.2808 Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1011
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T.J. O'Connor (toconnor@ex.thinkinc.com)
Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:57:05 -0400
I was wondering if anyone has had any luck mounting NT volumes on a Mac via
a PPP connection. If so what tools were being used? Any info would be great.
Thanks alot
t.
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Bruce Johnson (johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU)
Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:38:33 -0700
You can get a time-limited free trial from their web site
You gotta tweak the setup some, as it'll try to auto-connect on startup,
but it worked fine. I didn't do much more than play with it to get a eel
for it, as we're going to use that to connect the Macs in our building
to the NT servers
T.J. O'Connor wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone has had any luck mounting NT volumes on a Mac via
> a PPP connection. If so what tools were being used? Any info would be great.
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Parker, Douglas (douglas.parker@lmco.com)
Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:15:11 -0400
http://www.macwindows.com/servtips.html
lists a known problem with NT print queues and Mac printing, entitled
Printing to a PCL printer via Windows NT Services for
Macintosh
Supposedly, Mac print output sent to the NT queue is RIPped at 300dpi via an
in-line postscript RIP on every NT queue (read the web page for details).
The queue expects to receive output from a standard Apple LaserWriter. In
other words, regardless of the printer type, I have to cast all my
NT-networked printers (by cast, I mean to assign a PPD to the printer via
the Chooser Setup) as Apple LaserWriters in order to print. Thus, I lose
printer-specific options.
If I cast my HP4MV printer as an HP4MV using the HP4V/4MV postscript PPD, I
get the following (postscript?) error:
(\266\277\254\251\302\214\247) (Netscape:HotBot)
__________
%%[ Error: syntaxerror; OffendingCommand: --nostringval-- ]%%
%%[ Flushing: rest of job (to endof-file) will be ignored ]%%
What's this error? If you can provide the gory details, that would be great.
How has anyone else solved this or worked around it?
Thanks
Doug
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Thomas Roth (tomroth@wfubmc.edu)
Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:18:28 -0400
We've got a Sonic Systems QuickStream Pro that gives us PPP connection (it
routes Appletalk, IPX & IP protocols) to our department's network. I've
not tried mounting an NT volume but I have mounted Netware volumes. It's a
bit sluggish but workable. The IP works great.
______________________________________________________________________
Tom Roth Wake Forest University School of Medicine
tomroth@wfubmc.edu Dept of Biomedical Communications
Tel 336.716.4493 Medical Center Blvd
Fax 336.716.2808 Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1011
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Darryl Lee (lee@darryl.com)
Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:09:57 -0700 (PDT)
Not me! But i can answer this...
> How difficult would it be to have links on this html doc list so that
> the Responses listed at the beginning of each digest can be
> mouse-clicked in our email browser to jump to that Re: in the digest?
Yuck! Making the digest HTMLized would really really irritate people
that read their mail with non-HTMLized clients. (People whine when
one person sends a message that's got HTML. Imagine the uproar if the
whole digest came this way.)
> Must be a program that would easily do that. It seems that if this
> digest was edited in Netscape, or perhaps in BB-edit, that the URL tags
> for jumping to the Re:'s could be relatively easily "search and
> replaced". Perhaps AppleScript could even do it in TeachText or SimpleText.
>
> I'm not a programmer, but couldn't this be done.
>
> The digests would become much easier to navigate and read and a real pleasure.
Well, the digests _ARE_ MIME digests -- that is, a mail client that
_properly_ handles MIME digests will show you the digest as a
"folder" that you should be able to browse through and jump to a
specific message as needed.
Anybody else out there using Netscape 4.5b2 for Mac know how it deals
with digests.
> Any ideas? Any suggestions from you programmers out there?
>
> Sorry if this is a stupid inquiry/suggestion.
Not at all... And actually, if you're really into HTMLized mail, you
should check out the archives (plug plug) at:
http://www.darryl.com/winmac/
> God Bless you all for this venture, this digest.
[Ode to the Mac deleted]
--Darryl
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James Rupprecht (jimrupp@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu)
Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:51:08 -0500
There is a tech note which describes a bug in some of the 7200 system
boards whcih causes Ethernet problems. Also, it is possible that you have 2
machines witht he same MAC address.
hth
James Rupprecht
Systems Specialist
Applied English Center
University of Kansas
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by way of Dan Schwartz (John.McDonnell@gen.friendsfirst.ie)
Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:54:21 -0400
First, I redirected this message back to the ListSERV to get rid of the
">" issue.
I subscribe to several ListSERV's, and this is actually a common problem.
I handle it a bit differently, though: I turn OFF the DIGEST mode and bring
in individual messages -- About 100 per day in total. I have my eMail
clients -- Eudora Pro 3.0.5 (NT) and Eudora Pro 3.1.3 (MacOS) -- filter the
traffic into different mailboxes. It takes a couple of minutes to set it
up; but once you do you'll appreciate how easy it is to actually read --
And manage -- the flow of information. It's certainly easier than having to
wind my way through about a half-dozen crummy 80 column digests every day.
[I also use a monospaced font -- Courier or Monaco -- to read my mail, so
the formatting stays relatively sane.]
Just my 2 cents...
Cheers!
Dan
[ Begin Message from John.McDonnell@gen.friendsfirst.ie ]
I know this is slightly off topic, but the list (digest version) is growing
increasingly difficult to read. With different mailers quoting old messages
differently (some at the start of the message, some at the end, some even
after
the signature), people including entire posts in replies and no indication
as to
where one message starts and another one ends. I also have the problem of some
messages appearing as text attachments with no wrapping.
Is there something that can be done about this?
john
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:10:43 -0400
First, this only affected 7200/90's; not 7200/75's. Look at the serial
number on the machine: It will be of an alphanumeric format xx545xxxx. The
key numbers are the 3rd, 4th, and 5th characters: All machines that are 543
or lower are afflicted, as are many of the 544 series and even some 545
series.
Apple WAS replacing the logic boards at no charge when this was brought to
light: They reworked the boards by soldering in an additional clock
crystal... They tried a shortcut to use 1 crystal instead of 2 (although
the spot was originally there on the logic board); and it blew up in their
face.
I had one customer with 4 of these machines...
At 12:51 PM 10/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
>At 10:07 PM 10/13/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I've got a PowerMac 7200 that reports an "IP conflict with the machine
>>at...", which would be OK except that the hardware address corresponds to
>>the machine itself. It's running Open Transport 1.1.2 under Mac OS 7.6.1,
>>and it is getting its IP address from a NetWare 4 DHCP server (latest
>>version - I think it's revision P).
>>
>>I tried downing the server, deleting/recreating it in the DHCP tables,
>>deleting the AppleShare/ASLM/TCP/IP preferences; the only thing that worked
>>was to give it a different IP address on the DHCP server. I'm kinda
>>baffled... has anyone else run into this?
>>
>>TIA,
>>
>>--
>>Debbie Carraway
>>Computing Consultant II
>>CALS Administrative & Instructional Computing, NC State University
>>Phone: (919) 515-5890 Fax: (919) 515-8935
>>
>>
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>
>There is a tech note which describes a bug in some of the 7200 system
>boards whcih causes Ethernet problems. Also, it is possible that you have 2
>machines witht he same MAC address.
>
>hth
>
>
>James Rupprecht
>Systems Specialist
>Applied English Center
>University of Kansas
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Darryl Lee (lee@darryl.com)
Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:19:48 -0700 (PDT)
Well... FWIW, it happened to me with a 7100/80.
--Darryl
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Duojet3@aol.com
Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:38:46 EDT
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Ryan Sabir (Ryan@gomango.com.au)
Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:31:23 +1000
You need to do this seperately from the NT shared directories you have
set up.
Go into the File Manager, click on a folder you want to share, and then
choose 'Create Volume' from the 'MacFile' menu. you can then set user
permissions on this directory.
You will need to do this for every volume you want available to the
Macs.
hope this helps...
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> ----------
> From: Ari Davidow
> Reply To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Sent: Thursday, 15 October 1998 11:24 PM
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: [WinMac] Microsoft UAM?
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a newbie question. I set up Macintosh Services on one
> of our NT servers, and can log on using my usual login to the
> NT system. That, however, only gets me to a filesystem called
> "Microsoft UAM". I can't find the area on the NT when I use
> the file command, and it is locked on the Mac side, so I can't
> write to it, create subfolders, or whatever.
>
> I can't find any documentation on this. Either I am ging to
> fast or looking in the wrong part of the Resource Kit of NT docs.
> Can someone point me in the right direction?
>
> ari
>
> Ari Davidow
> ari@ivritype.com
> http://www.ivritype.com/
>
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Larry A. Wanget (larryw@iptn.co.id)
Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:57:38 +0800
Also, we had the impression that Macs and PCs follow different networking
concept. Macs are connected with the Macs grouped in zones ( I believe this
is the recommended way), while PCs are connected in a large-single zone.
Are these rules still apply ? Any body knows what are the consequences if
they are not followed in a mixed network (100+ devices).
Also, please keep the discussion to the WinMac integration matters.
Eventhough I am a Mac addict and subscribe to it, I feel this is not the
place for evangelizing either platform.
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[Mac having IP conflict with itself is a 7200 problem?]
Well... FWIW, it happened to me with a 7100/80.
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Tim Scoff (casper@nb.net)
Fri, 16 Oct 1998 03:59:47 -0400
On the NT server the Microsoft UAM directory is at the root level
of the C: drive. It is the only share created when you install the
Services for the Macintosh on NT. It is read only and no one can change it
from a Mac unless you use the Server Manager program to unlock it first.
All that it contains is a file that the Chooser can use to send
encrypted data when someone logs onto an NT server instead of sending a
plain text password.
Use the Server Manager to create any additional Mac shares that you
need. Just be forewarned that you can not "nest" Mac shares the way you
can normal shares. In other words if you have a d:\Users directory shared
you can't create a seperate share for d:\Users\Username. It takes a little
bit of planning when you implement the Mac shares because of this.
I hope this helps.
>Hi,
>
>I have a newbie question. I set up Macintosh Services on one
>of our NT servers, and can log on using my usual login to the
>NT system. That, however, only gets me to a filesystem called
>"Microsoft UAM". I can't find the area on the NT when I use
>the file command, and it is locked on the Mac side, so I can't
>write to it, create subfolders, or whatever.
>
>I can't find any documentation on this. Either I am ging to
>fast or looking in the wrong part of the Resource Kit of NT docs.
>Can someone point me in the right direction?
>
>ari
>
>Ari Davidow
>ari@ivritype.com
>http://www.ivritype.com/
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Ethan C. Banks (ebanks@pcci.edu)
Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:24:10 -0500
Larry, this is a protocol issue, not a platform issue. AppleTalk networks
provide logical groupings of Macs, LaserWriters, and other AppleTalk-savvy
devices into zones. Any machine that has a loaded AppleTalk stack can (in
fact will have to) be a member of an AppleTalk zone. My NT Server running
Services for Macintosh shows up in an AppleTalk zone.
In my experience, AppleTalk zones are a unique animal among network
protocols. There is nothing similar to AT zones in TCP/IP for instance.
Remember that an AppleTalk zone is merely a logical grouping that transcends
any AT routing you may be doing. You can seed any AppleTalk zone on any
segment you wish, and AT devices in different routed segments can appear in
the same logical zone in the Chooser.
There are no "consequences" if you have a mixed network of Macs & PCs where
the Macs are using AppleTalk and participating in zones and the PCs are
using TCP/IP or some other protocol. Nor is there a zone problem if you are
running COPSTalk, Services for Macintosh, or PC MacLAN on your Windows box.
In the Windows world, the Network Neighborhood model with workgroups and/or
domains does not operate in any way approximating what an AT zone is really
doing. The end results are similar, but arrived at in completely different
ways. Network Neighborhood is really just a server maintained list (which
may or may not be accurate) that you retrieve, whereas in the Chooser, your
Mac actually broadcasts via the AT protocol on the network for everyone in
the selected zone to respond. The Chooser only works over AppleTalk because
its functionality is protocol-based, whereas the Network Neighborhood list
will work over really any protocol that handles Microsoft's SMB (TCP/IP,
IPX, and NetBEUI all handle this).
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Ethan C. Banks (ebanks@pcci.edu)
Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:48:43 -0500
SUMMARY:
Three scenarios seemed to be possibilities for us: Microsoft Exchange,
Softarc FirstClass Intranet Server, or a standards-based open mail system.
My recommendation for our site was that we migrate our proprietary
QuickMail LAN users to a standards-based Internet mail system. The
reasons are outlined below. Some of the logic is particular to our
needs here, so my conclusions may not be appropriate for your site.
**********************
* Microsoft Exchange *
**********************
Summary: Exchange is Microsoft’s electronic messaging server providing many
standard Internet protocol services such as POP3, SMTP, LDAP, and NNTP.
However, Exchange requires the Outlook client to fully take advantage of its
features. The Outlook client for Macintosh is demanding of the hardware and
lacks many of the features that the Outlook client for Windows has.
* Pros *
- We already use Windows NT Server. Exchange integrates tightly into an
existing NT environment. NT user and group security relate directly to
Exchange mailboxes and public access folders.
- Exchange is powerful; an X.400 directory system is the underlying
structure. With this kind of directory, Exchange can grow
into the foreseeable future by allowing additional Exchange servers to be
added as necessary.
* Cons *
- Exchange’s groupware functionality is proprietary. To use all of its
features, you must use the Outlook client.
- The Macintosh client is weak compared to the Windows client. With the
Mac client, you have a basic mail client that can handle Microsoft rich
text, view public mail folders, and access the Global Address Book. You
cannot share scheduling information, nor are there the additional applets of
an integrated task list, journal, or notes.
- The Macintosh client is fat, with 8MB of RAM allotted to it, and about
4.5MB in use.
- Exchange’s complexity would require the training at least one
person on how to install, configure, and maintain the Exchange server.
- Licenses for Outlook are expensive for non-academic users.
- Exchange requires a gateway to get from an Exchange mailbox to the
Internet and vice-versa. The gateway is built-in.
- The hardware requirements of the Exchange server are high. In my opinion,
for Exchange to run well under a load, a dedicated server with at
least one substantial processor and a minimum of 128MB of RAM would be
needed.
**************************************
* SoftArc FirstClass Intranet Server *
**************************************
Summary: Softarc’s FirstClass Intranet Server is a messaging server that
also handles group project collaboration via document publication on
FirstClass’s built-in web server. The Windows & Macintosh clients are
identical. FirstClass is proprietary.
* Pros *
- The FirstClass client on both Windows and Macintosh appear to be
identical. This would improve Help Desk support of the program.
- The server can be administrated from either a Windows or Macintosh
computer.
- The hardware requirement is low. In my opinion, any reliable Pentium
class machine with 64MB of RAM would do the job on NT; the server can also
run on MacOS.
- The FirstClass client is technically free; you buy the server and then
license connections to the server.
- FirstClass supports simple e-mail forms and a central address book.
* Cons *
- The system is highly proprietary, even more so than Exchange. Although
you can access FirstClass from a POP3 client, to obtain the full
functionality, the end-user must use the FirstClass client.
- Connecting from FirstClass to the Internet and vice-versa requires a
gateway (built-in).
- I have not been able to obtain pricing on FirstClass, and reports from
Internet users indicate that a FirstClass is an expensive solution.
I did look on two nationwide resellers sites (CompUSA and
Amherst Computer Products) that are supposed to carry the SoftArc line, but
searching their sites turned up nothing on the products.
- In my opinion, the user interface is clunky and cluttered. From a Windows
standpoint, it does not feel like a standard Windows application. It
works quite a bit differently, with folders and messages handled in a way
that you get used to, but is somewhat non-intuitive. I would not will the
FirstClass client on anyone, especially users who would be coming from
Outlook or even QuickMail.
- The FirstClass system gives us little that we don’t already have, and
lacks groupware meetings/schedule integration. We already have an intranet
that the departments use to share information.
*********************************
* Standards-Based Internet Mail *
*********************************
Summary: A third option is to upgrade everyone currently on QuickMail LAN to
QuickMail Pro or another generic POP client. We would keep our
existing Internet e-mail server, EIMS, and eliminate the QMLAN server. Our
mail system would then be a standards-based mail system with no proprietary
strings attached.
* Pros *
- The EIMS server talks directly to Internet mail servers via SMTP, without
a gateway.
- QuickMail forms that are in use would be retained for QMPro users.
- Users are free to use any POP-3 e-mail client that they wish, such as
Outlook, Quickmail Pro, Claris E-Mailer, or Eudora without compromising on
functionality.
- CE Software, the QuickMail folks, offer an LDAP directory server that
plugs into EIMS. This could be used as an kind of centralized address book
to verify address validity, if not offer a comprehensive point-and-click
list.
- Staying with a standards-based approach maintains the flexibility
to choose the clients and servers that best meet the needs of the users on
any platform, without being locked into any one thing for an extended
period.
- No additional training is required for DP staff.
* Cons *
- There is no centralized address book with the Internet EIMS server at
present. The LDAP add-on would not be as straightforward to use as a normal
list of users, but may become that simple as LDAP interfaces mature. DP
would still need to send out periodic address book updates to support
QuickMail Pro and Outlook users. This works fine, but requires initiative
on the part of DP to maintain.
- There is no standards-based way to share calendaring and schedule
information yet. This is coming with the iCalendar standard.
ORIGINAL POST:
I am researching a new e-mail system for our mixed Macintosh and Windows
user base.
SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
- Support 500 Mac & Windows clients retrieving/sending 20 messages daily
- Centralized address book
OPTIONAL REQUIREMENTS:
- Forms, such as those provided by CESoft's QuickMail or Microsoft
Exchange
- Groupware functionality for calendar sharing, etc.
We are trying to get away from CESoft's QuickMail LAN/Internet Mail Gateway
package as our needs are beyond its capabilities. Comments on what you are
doing in your cross-platform environment are greatly appreciated.
________________________________________________
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Julian Jones (jonesj@hasbro.co.uk)
Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:11:03 +0100
I am out of the office from Friday 15th October until Wednesday the 28th October.
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Regards
Julian Jones
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Re: [WinMac] IP conflict with itself?
by "Larry A. Wanget" <larryw@iptn.co.id>
Re: [WinMac] Microsoft UAM?
by "Tim Scoff" <casper@nb.net>
Windows, Macs, & Zones
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SUMMARY: E-Mail System Research
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Chadwick S. Wachs (millbarge@uswest.net)
Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:21:40 -0600
Has anyone been successful at this with an Apple DOS card? I know the
Orange Micro cards do it out of the box. In hind sight, I would have bought
one of those but it is too late now.
Any help here would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Branden Beachy (brandenb@npcc.net)
Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:37:26 -0500
Branden Beachy
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Fairfield Jr. Sr. High School
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rdc (rdc@MINET.gov.MB.CA)
Sat, 17 Oct 1998 16:06:35 -0500
the 10T port on the macs but... They can't use the same protocols on
both side at the same time. IP only on one side at a time and so on.
Roger.
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rdc (rdc@MINET.gov.MB.CA)
Sat, 17 Oct 1998 16:06:34 -0500
All you really have to do is install services for Macintosh on the NT
server. Then setup the file sharing for the students and make them the
same shared folders the students have for the NT to share out. You also
have to realize that the file conversion might be an issue if the
students want to work on their PC files or visa versa
Roger...
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Branden Beachy (brandenb@npcc.net)
Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:12:57 -0500
> >Here is what I am wanting to do - We are using Appleshare IP 5 on our
> >mac server and use At Ease 5 to make it easy for students to log on and
> >force them to save to their folder on the server. We are getting a new
> >NT server and PC lab, and I would like to use it to serve the macs, and
> >I want the students to easily access their files on on either the macs
> >or the pc's. I can handle the pc side, but want I want to know is if I
> >can use the At Ease server to point the students to their folder on the
> >NT server. In other words, can I mount the mac share on the mac server,
> >and then use it as the share that the mac computers use for At Ease? Or
> >don't I even have to mount it on the mac server? What I figure is that
> >I would use the folders that At Ease creates as the folder that the pc's
> >have access to. Any ideas on this subject?
>
> All you really have to do is install services for Macintosh on the NT
> server. Then setup the file sharing for the students and make them the
> same shared folders the students have for the NT to share out. You also
> have to realize that the file conversion might be an issue if the
> students want to work on their PC files or visa versa
>
> Roger...
>
I don't think you quite understand what I want to do - I want to keep At Ease
on the Macs so that the students "automatically" go to their folder - I don't
want them to have to go to the chooser and do it manually - that is what At
Ease does. I just want to point it to their folder on the NT server (which I
of course will have installed services for Macintosh on).
As far as file conversion, most of them will be using ClarisWorks on both
platforms, so that is not an issue.
Branden Beachy
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Fairfield Jr. Sr. High School
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Romeyn Prescott (prescor@potsdam.edu)
Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:01:48 -0400
The most recent cards could indeed share protocols out the same port. Only
the older cards suffered this limitation.
...ROMeyn
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Julian Jones (jonesj@hasbro.co.uk)
Sun, 18 Oct 1998 01:18:28 +0100
I am out of the office from Friday 15th October until Wednesday the 28th October.
Please speak to Marcus Paddison x2612 or Lori Foster x2065 if your enquiry is urgent.
Regards
Julian Jones
>>> "winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu" 10/18/98 01:00 >>>
WinMac Digest #110 - Saturday, October 17, 1998
WinMac Digest #109 - 10/16/98 -Reply
by "Julian Jones" <jonesj@hasbro.co.uk>
DOS Cards in a G3
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At Ease and NT
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Julian Jones (jonesj@hasbro.co.uk)
Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:21:24 +0100
I am out of the office from Friday 15th October until Wednesday the 28th October.
Please speak to Marcus Paddison x2612 or Lori Foster x2065 if your enquiry is urgent.
Regards
Julian Jones
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WinMac Digest #111 - Sunday, October 18, 1998
Re: [WinMac] DOS Cards in a G3
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rdc (rdc@MINET.gov.MB.CA)
Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:06:37 -0500
You can still do what I said but instead your going to have to have a
configuration for each student on each machine in the At Ease then. We
found this very cumberson becuase at the end of each session we would
have the change the student accounts on all the machines. If you setup
one shared folder and set At Easse to use it as the file server then each
user has a locked space for themselves on that volume. If you look at it
from an admin level acces it is just a plan set of folders that At Ease
controls. No compression or encryption. This is a nice thing for
because then you can access all of the kids work without having to log in
as them. The one problem you might have is the fact that you can't limit
file space. NT does not allow you to limit the filespace alocated to thee
user and neither does At Ease.
Hope this helps
Roger...
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HFHIWork@aol.com
Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:18:07 EDT
Deb Aziz, Technical Research Specialist for Habitat for Humanity
International Ph: 1-800-Habitat (422-4828) x2353
email: HFHIWork@aol.com
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Beth Gemeny (bethg@hhn.com)
Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:26:24 -0700
We use an Exchange server for that exact reason, and it works well. If you
install the client on a laptop, just be sure that the personal folders it is
using is on the hard drive and not the server, that way a user can look at
their calendar without being logged into the Exchange server. You will need
to be aware that the client for Mac will NOT read both internet and Exchange
mail types... your Mac clients will need two mail programs if you use
Internet mail.
FYI,
Beth:0)
____________________________________________
Beth Gemeny
Lead Systems Administrator
Health Hero Network, Inc.
____________________________________________
"...For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the
truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that
is afraid of its people." - John F. Kennedy, Feb 26, 1962.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
> [mailto:winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of HFHIWork@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 3:18 PM
> To: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
> Subject: [WinMac] MS exchange server?
>
>
> Hi all. The company I work for is looking to use MS Outlook
> as their PC
> calendar program. Now we don't have alot of PC experience,
> b/c we have just
> within the past year started to get more PCs. What I want to
> know is, what is
> the MS Exchange server like? Hard to maintain? Quirky? Must
> it have it's own
> machine or can it share a machine with another function (ie,
> use the same
> machine as the print server for the Exchange server)? Pros?
> Cons? Please let
> me know. Thanks
>
> Deb Aziz, Technical Research Specialist for Habitat for Humanity
> International Ph: 1-800-Habitat (422-4828) x2353
> email: HFHIWork@aol.com
> "Use your computer skills to make the world a better place!
> Volunteer with
> Habitat for Humanity down in Americus, Ga. and use your
> computer skills to
> help eliminate poverty housing! For more information look up
> our web page at
> www.habitat.org"
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Tim Scoff (casper@nb.net)
Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:42:28 -0400
>Hi;
>
>We use an Exchange server for that exact reason, and it works well. If you
>install the client on a laptop, just be sure that the personal folders it is
>using is on the hard drive and not the server, that way a user can look at
>their calendar without being logged into the Exchange server. You will need
>to be aware that the client for Mac will NOT read both internet and Exchange
>mail types... your Mac clients will need two mail programs if you use
>Internet mail.
>
>FYI,
>
>Beth:0)
>____________________________________________
>
>Beth Gemeny
>Lead Systems Administrator
>Health Hero Network, Inc.
>____________________________________________
>"...For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the
>truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that
>is afraid of its people." - John F. Kennedy, Feb 26, 1962.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
>> [mailto:winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of HFHIWork@aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 3:18 PM
>> To: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
>> Subject: [WinMac] MS exchange server?
>>
>>
>> Hi all. The company I work for is looking to use MS Outlook
>> as their PC
>> calendar program. Now we don't have alot of PC experience,
>> b/c we have just
>> within the past year started to get more PCs. What I want to
>> know is, what is
>> the MS Exchange server like? Hard to maintain? Quirky? Must
>> it have it's own
>> machine or can it share a machine with another function (ie,
>> use the same
>> machine as the print server for the Exchange server)? Pros?
>> Cons? Please let
>> me know. Thanks
>>
>> Deb Aziz, Technical Research Specialist for Habitat for Humanity
>> International Ph: 1-800-Habitat (422-4828) x2353
>> email: HFHIWork@aol.com
>> "Use your computer skills to make the world a better place!
>> Volunteer with
>> Habitat for Humanity down in Americus, Ga. and use your
>> computer skills to
>> help eliminate poverty housing! For more information look up
>> our web page at
>> www.habitat.org"
>>
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Beth Gemeny (bethg@hhn.com)
Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:54:53 -0700
Can anyone confirm this?
Thanks,
Beth:0)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
> [mailto:winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Tim Scoff
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 3:42 PM
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: RE: [WinMac] MS exchange server?
>
>
> I think that if you buy the full version of Outlook for the
> Mac (comes with
> Office 98) you also get the full internet mail functionality.
>
> >Hi;
> >
> >We use an Exchange server for that exact reason, and it
> works well. If you
> >install the client on a laptop, just be sure that the
> personal folders it is
> >using is on the hard drive and not the server, that way a
> user can look at
> >their calendar without being logged into the Exchange
> server. You will need
> >to be aware that the client for Mac will NOT read both
> internet and Exchange
> >mail types... your Mac clients will need two mail programs if you use
> >Internet mail.
> >
> >FYI,
> >
> >Beth:0)
> >____________________________________________
> >
> >Beth Gemeny
> >Lead Systems Administrator
> >Health Hero Network, Inc.
> >____________________________________________
> >"...For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the
> >truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that
> >is afraid of its people." - John F. Kennedy, Feb 26, 1962.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
> >> [mailto:winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of HFHIWork@aol.com
> >> Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 3:18 PM
> >> To: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
> >> Subject: [WinMac] MS exchange server?
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi all. The company I work for is looking to use MS Outlook
> >> as their PC
> >> calendar program. Now we don't have alot of PC experience,
> >> b/c we have just
> >> within the past year started to get more PCs. What I want to
> >> know is, what is
> >> the MS Exchange server like? Hard to maintain? Quirky? Must
> >> it have it's own
> >> machine or can it share a machine with another function (ie,
> >> use the same
> >> machine as the print server for the Exchange server)? Pros?
> >> Cons? Please let
> >> me know. Thanks
> >>
> >> Deb Aziz, Technical Research Specialist for Habitat for Humanity
> >> International Ph: 1-800-Habitat (422-4828) x2353
> >> email: HFHIWork@aol.com
> >> "Use your computer skills to make the world a better place!
> >> Volunteer with
> >> Habitat for Humanity down in Americus, Ga. and use your
> >> computer skills to
> >> help eliminate poverty housing! For more information look up
> >> our web page at
> >> www.habitat.org"
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Dean Suhr (deansuhr@easystreet.com)
Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:39:33 -0700
Dean
<ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/exchange/exchange-public/fixes/Eng/Exchg5.5
/Sp1/Mac/SP1_55MA.hqx>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/98 15:42, Tim Scoff wrote:
>I think that if you buy the full version of Outlook for the Mac (comes with
>Office 98) you also get the full internet mail functionality.
>
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Beth Gemeny (bethg@hhn.com)
Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:52:49 -0700
:0)b
> -----Original Message-----
> From: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
> [mailto:winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Dean Suhr
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 4:40 PM
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: RE: [WinMac] MS exchange server?
>
>
> Try this - I downloaded my client here. (Watch for the line
> wrap - there
> should not be a return in the middle of the line.)
>
> Dean
>
<ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/exchange/exchange-public/fixes/Eng/Exchg5.5
/Sp1/Mac/SP1_55MA.hqx>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/98 15:42, Tim Scoff wrote:
>I think that if you buy the full version of Outlook for the Mac (comes with
>Office 98) you also get the full internet mail functionality.
>
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Nishimura, Scott (Scott.Nishimura@trw.com)
Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:13:24 -0700
Be aware that the Mac client uses Schedule+ format,
whereas the PC uses Outlook format (by default; you
could change it) for its calendar. The
upshot of this is that if you move between a Mac and PC,
you won't be able to see your calendar on the platform
that you didn't originally set up the calendar on.
As far as the Exchange vs Internet mail question, you
could also turn on IMAP on the server and use an IMAP
mail client (like Netscape Communicator or IE4).
Scott
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth Gemeny [mailto:bethg@hhn.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 4:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [WinMac] MS exchange server?
>
>
> Thanks, Dean, I'll let you all know how it works out.
>
> :0)b
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
> > [mailto:winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Dean Suhr
> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 4:40 PM
> > To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> > Subject: RE: [WinMac] MS exchange server?
> >
> >
> > Try this - I downloaded my client here. (Watch for the line
> > wrap - there
> > should not be a return in the middle of the line.)
> >
> > Dean
> >
> <ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/exchange/exchange-public/fixes
/Eng/Exchg5.5
/Sp1/Mac/SP1_55MA.hqx>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/98 15:42, Tim Scoff wrote:
>I think that if you buy the full version of Outlook for the Mac (comes with
>Office 98) you also get the full internet mail functionality.
>
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John Hanks (jbh@bioserver.vsb.usu.edu)
Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:29:01 -0600
We use exchange server for about 160 users and run it on a dual Pentium 150
machine with 160 MB RAM along with a webserver, SFM, a couple of print
queues and MSSQL (used very little). Performance has been fine so far (knock
on wood.)
The program that comes with Mac Office98 is Outlook Express, and can be
downloaded with Internet Explorer 4 for free. The Outlook client for Mac
that is shipped with exchange is a poor substitue for Outlook 98. It will
not handle internet mail directly, but you can read and send internet mail
through the exchange server. If people require access to more than one mail
account, one or more being internet mail, Outlook Express is a good
solution. You can use IMAP to access the exchange server and keep everything
in place in the users mailbox, and the web access feature of Exchange can
give users access to their calendar from a web browser. You should probably
pick one method or the other though (Outlook Express vs Outlook for Mac),
since as far as I know Outlook for Mac and Outlook for PC calendars don't
coexist well. At least I haven't figured out how to integrate them yet.
John Hanks
jbh@biology.usu.edu
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USU Dept. of Biology
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Julian Jones (jonesj@hasbro.co.uk)
Tue, 20 Oct 1998 02:09:06 +0100
I am out of the office from Friday 15th October until Wednesday the 28th October.
Please speak to Marcus Paddison x2612 or Lori Foster x2065 if your enquiry is urgent.
Regards
Julian Jones
>>> "winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu" 10/20/98 01:00 >>>
WinMac Digest #112 - Monday, October 19, 1998
WinMac Digest #111 - 10/18/98 -Reply
by "Julian Jones" <jonesj@hasbro.co.uk>
Re: [WinMac] At Ease and NT
by "rdc" <rdc@MINET.gov.MB.CA>
MS exchange server?
by <HFHIWork@aol.com>
RE: [WinMac] MS exchange server?
by "Beth Gemeny" <bethg@hhn.com>
RE: [WinMac] MS exchange server?
by "Tim Scoff" <casper@nb.net>
RE: [WinMac] MS exchange server?
by "Beth Gemeny" <bethg@hhn.com>
RE: [WinMac] MS exchange server?
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RE: [WinMac] MS exchange server?
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Daniel Danker (daniel@jn4d.com)
Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:53:00 -0700
Beth,
I cannot confirm the existence of such an all-encompassing Outlook
client, but I wonder about the current Outlook for Macintosh client,
which has proven absolutely useless to us at the office.
We've been using Outlook on the PCs to check e-mail, but also to share
several Office Contacts files, calendars, task lists, and notes
components. I haven't seen how to get any of these public folders to
show up as anything but useless mail items on the Mac. Is this
consistent with your experience?
We are all but weeding out the Macs from our lives, and I must say that
the change is a positive one. For once we will have fewer
cross-platform issues, but this is not a happy transition for much of
our staff. If I can find a compatible way of configuring our systems,
I'll be more than happy to keep the Macs on the network, so any help
counts!
- Daniel.
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Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:24:00 -0500
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Barry Lockard (barry@bgs.com)
Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:20:36 -0400
Apparently, few people know it exists, because it's on a "hidden" HFS
partition on the Exchange Server 5.5 CD (if you have the CD, pop it
into a Mac and you'll see it!). For some reason (I'll refrain from
cynical comments) Microsoft doesn't publicize its existence to any
reasonable degree. If you don't have the CD, but you own MS Exchange
or Office, you can order a client CD from Microsoft for free except that
you pay must pay for the shipping:
<http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/guide/outlook97.asp?A=2&B=1>
I hope this information is helpful.
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Chris Morin (eemmbb@mixcom.com)
Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:31:38 -0500
Hope this helps.
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Sam Heldenbrand (SHeldenbrand@Eisenbrauns.com)
Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:55:06 -0500
SGML encoding seems like a logical solution to this problem, and I'm
investigating the possibility developing an SGML application, but I'm
new at this. For one thing, I need to figure out whether its worth it
for us to develop this application in house, or to farm it out to an
SGML expert. Does anyone have any idea what the going rate is for (1)
creation of a relatively simple DTD and/or (2) if we had an SGML app in
place, what the going rate for SGML text markup might be if we were to
farm this out?
Adobe makes an extension to FrameMaker called Frame + SGML, and if we
were to proceed with the job in house we would certainly use it. I'm
just not sure if its worth ramping up for this in house. Any leads on
individuals/companies that do this for a living?
Any input would be much appreciated.
Sam
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:34:26 -0400
The FrameMaker file format (MIF) is completely cross-platform and
fully documented, so that you could simply put the Frame documents on the
CD. (probably worth including a copy of the MIF spec for future
generations ;).
>SGML encoding seems like a logical solution to this problem, and I'm
>investigating the possibility developing an SGML application, but I'm
>new at this.
SGML would be fine, or you might be better served with XML which is
a simpler more modern subset of SGML. You will also find that there are a
LOT more tools now, and coming, for doing XML than for SGML.
>For one thing, I need to figure out whether its worth it
>for us to develop this application in house, or to farm it out to an
>SGML expert. Does anyone have any idea what the going rate is for (1)
>creation of a relatively simple DTD and/or (2) if we had an SGML app in
>place, what the going rate for SGML text markup might be if we were to
>farm this out?
>
Frame + SGML comes with a large collection of DTD's for most common
document types, including the "standard" one used for publications. Even
if you can't use them as is, they would be a great starting point for you.
As for doing the markup - you don't need to, that's what Frame +
SGML does for you. You just write your document as normal, using style
sheets, and you just map the style sheets to markup styles, and Frame does
the rest. This is also true for the new version (5.5.6) of both Frame and
Frame + SGML, both of which now export XML.
Leonard
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Beth Gemeny (bethg@hhn.com)
Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:45:06 -0700
It seems to be just what you say, it's all little bits of mail. The
calendar however, works well, and I experience flakier calendar connections
from other PC's more often than from the Macs. I can always get schedule
information from our Mac clients.
Having Macs and PCs in cooperation on the same network, (ours served by
Windows NT) requires some patience and most of all the expectation that this
integration will not be seamless. I never expected that, I haven't been
disappointed ;0)
But we've been sharing printers and files all with the understanding that if
our end user has insisted on using a Macintosh, there would be some short
comings and work-arounds. We have also found a few applications that are
web-enabled....
It's not all that bad and we have about 6 Mac's in a company of 50+
computers, FYI.
-Beth:0)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
> [mailto:winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Daniel Danker
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 10:53 PM
> To: 'The Windows-MacOS cooperation list'
> Subject: RE: [WinMac] MS exchange server?
>
>
> > Please let me know where to buy it... after considerable
> research and
> > banging of one's head on that brick wall and even after
> > checking this list,
> > no such luck.
> >
> > Can anyone confirm this?
>
> Beth,
>
> I cannot confirm the existence of such an all-encompassing Outlook
> client, but I wonder about the current Outlook for Macintosh client,
> which has proven absolutely useless to us at the office.
>
> We've been using Outlook on the PCs to check e-mail, but also to share
> several Office Contacts files, calendars, task lists, and notes
> components. I haven't seen how to get any of these public folders to
> show up as anything but useless mail items on the Mac. Is this
> consistent with your experience?
>
> We are all but weeding out the Macs from our lives, and I
> must say that
> the change is a positive one. For once we will have fewer
> cross-platform issues, but this is not a happy transition for much of
> our staff. If I can find a compatible way of configuring our systems,
> I'll be more than happy to keep the Macs on the network, so any help
> counts!
>
> - Daniel.
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Daniel Danker (daniel@jn4d.com)
Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:01:10 -0700
My company started out on Macs and is now slowly migrating to PCs. A
total of 10 or so computers, and I think that makes it worse for the
cross-platform integration. We have 10 employees with 10 different
computing personalities. It's my job to keep them all happy. A Mac
person needed a calendar and contacts file to share across the office,
so I installed Exchange Server because I knew we were on our way to
migrating to PCs. I'm glad I installed it because it's just increased
productivity like mad on the PCs. The Macs, however, can't get any
usefulness out of it, so they're back to Outlook Express.
I've found that integrating the two platforms on a network is no easy
task. I've found that it can't ever be completely compatible. I've
found that the PCs are much more robust and that all my Mac users who
have switched to Windows have been glad they did. So right now my plan
of action, sad as it may be, is to migrate users instead of work the
network around their needs.
- Daniel.
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boy's mailing lists (lists@meandher.com)
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:53:35 -0400
is there a server setting for properly endcoding files for interoffice
communications?
i'm their macintosh consultant, so i don't touch the exchange server, but
if i have a direction to point the wondws guys in it would be great. they
claim this is a macintosh poulook client problem.
any help is appreciated.
thanks.
glenn
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John Hanks (jbh@bioserver.vsb.usu.edu)
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:25:20 -0600
Exchange Internet Mail Connector has options that allow you to set
attachment format on outgoing mail. I have found that MIME/Plain Text causes
the fewest problems for us, YMMV. If you are using an internet client on the
Macs (Outlook Express, Eudora, etc.) then this mail setting may apply to
your situation.
As far as I can tell, Exchange Client for Mac (Outlook, not Outlook Express)
doesn't have settings for how attachments are encoded because it doesn't
know about internet mail and stores attachments in whatever format exchange
mailboxes use.
John Hanks, Computer Specialist (whatever that means)
jbh@biology.usu.edu
USU Dept. of Biology
Logan, UT
-----Original Message-----
From: boy's mailing lists [mailto:lists@meandher.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 11:54 AM
To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
Subject: [WinMac] MS exchange server encoding?
i have a client using the Exchange server and outlook on both the windows
and macintoshes. we are having a problem sending files interoffice from
the macintosh to the windows side...they are getting encoded into format
windows cannot understand...even if we switch the encoding on the
macintosh client to something none maclike (like MIME).
is there a server setting for properly endcoding files for interoffice
communications?
i'm their macintosh consultant, so i don't touch the exchange server, but
if i have a direction to point the wondws guys in it would be great. they
claim this is a macintosh poulook client problem.
any help is appreciated.
thanks.
glenn
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PetersJB@crbesmtp.dt.navy.mil
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:03:43 -0400
Similar choices can be made on a per-user basis when creating Personal
Address Book entries. Again, look for the "Send Options" button. The
choices are somewhat different and more confusing (to me anyway).
This applies to Outlook (Mac), Exchange Server Edition, version 8.0.1960.2
Brooks Peters
NSWC, CarderockDiv
> ----------Original Message
> From: John Hanks
> Reply To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 3:25 PM
> To: 'The Windows-MacOS cooperation list'
> Subject: RE: [WinMac] MS exchange server encoding?
>
(snip)
> As far as I can tell, Exchange Client for Mac (Outlook, not Outlook
> Express)
> doesn't have settings for how attachments are encoded because it doesn't
> know about internet mail and stores attachments in whatever format
> exchange
> mailboxes use.
>
> John Hanks, Computer Specialist (whatever that means)
> jbh@biology.usu.edu
> USU Dept. of Biology
> Logan, UT
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John Hanks (jbh@bioserver.vsb.usu.edu)
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:18:08 -0600
John Hanks, Computer Specialist (whatever that means)
jbh@biology.usu.edu
USU Dept. of Biology
Logan, UT
> ----------
> From: PetersJB@crbesmtp.dt.navy.mil
> Reply To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 2:03 PM
> To: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
> Subject: RE: [WinMac] MS exchange server encoding?
>
> I have found that when composing a new message I can select the
> "Properties"
> command, wherein the "Send Options" button gets me to a dialog with
> choices
> for encoding options.
>
> Similar choices can be made on a per-user basis when creating Personal
> Address Book entries. Again, look for the "Send Options" button. The
> choices are somewhat different and more confusing (to me anyway).
>
> This applies to Outlook (Mac), Exchange Server Edition, version 8.0.1960.2
>
> Brooks Peters
> NSWC, CarderockDiv
>
>
>
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Nishimura, Scott (Scott.Nishimura@trw.com)
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:17:35 -0700
If the file is a MS file (ie Excel, Word, etc), it doesn't seem
to matter: the file makes it through OK (coincidence?)
If the file is not MS:
AND if the file does not have a resource fork when it starts
off on the mac, it also seems to go through OK.
BUT, if the file has a resource fork, look in
HKLM\Software\MS\Exchange\Client\Mac File Types
If the corresponding file type, creator code, and DOS-style
extension is there, the file will download OK. If the entry
is not there, the file will get downloaded in MacBinary
form (.bin). Our original problem was that Stuffit Expander
for Windows 1.0 didn't seem to handle MacBinary decoding
correctly; Aladdin Expander 2.0 does.
We ran into problems with ClarisDraw and Canvas because both
of these files could have resource forks when the originate
on the Mac (but not guaranteed).
Scott
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hanks [mailto:jbh@biology.usu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 12:25 PM
> Subject: RE: [WinMac] MS exchange server encoding?
>
>
> I am using Outlook (Exchange Client for Mac, Outlook 98 for
> PC) on both
> platforms and have sent several test files back and forth and have no
> problems. When the PC's access an attachment, do they save with a .bin
> extension? I did have this problem a while back, but
> installing Alladin
> Expander (free at http://www.aladdinsys.com/ and numerous
> shareware download
> sites) on the PCs solved it.
>
> Exchange Internet Mail Connector has options that allow you to set
> attachment format on outgoing mail. I have found that
> MIME/Plain Text causes
> the fewest problems for us, YMMV. If you are using an
> internet client on the
> Macs (Outlook Express, Eudora, etc.) then this mail setting
> may apply to
> your situation.
>
> As far as I can tell, Exchange Client for Mac (Outlook, not
> Outlook Express)
> doesn't have settings for how attachments are encoded because
> it doesn't
> know about internet mail and stores attachments in whatever
> format exchange
> mailboxes use.
>
> John Hanks, Computer Specialist (whatever that means)
> jbh@biology.usu.edu
> USU Dept. of Biology
> Logan, UT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: boy's mailing lists [mailto:lists@meandher.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 11:54 AM
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: [WinMac] MS exchange server encoding?
>
>
>
> i have a client using the Exchange server and outlook on both
> the windows
> and macintoshes. we are having a problem sending files
> interoffice from
> the macintosh to the windows side...they are getting encoded
> into format
> windows cannot understand...even if we switch the encoding on the
> macintosh client to something none maclike (like MIME).
>
> is there a server setting for properly endcoding files for
> interoffice
> communications?
> i'm their macintosh consultant, so i don't touch the exchange
> server, but
> if i have a direction to point the wondws guys in it would be
> great. they
> claim this is a macintosh poulook client problem.
>
> any help is appreciated.
> thanks.
>
> glenn
>
>
>
>
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:34:48 -0400
In the FWIW catagory...Expander for Windows 1.0 would have handled
it just fine, had you set the prefs for MacBinary handling properly.
Problem was most folks didn't do that, so the default pref changed for 2.0.
LDR
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weesh (weesh@mindspring.com)
Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:35:00 -0400
I have a couple Macs, one NT Server, and one Win98 node on this network.
The Mac I wanted DAVE on connects to the internet using an (ISDN) modem.
Do I have to set this Mac to use a "fake" static IP address for DAVE to
work properly? If so, will I have to set it back when I use PPP do
connect to the internet? If so, will the PC's loose their connection to
the Mac......
I'm already using SFM but I have occasional need to transfer files from
the Mac directly to the Win98 box.
Thanks for any enlightenment.
->Ken
- --
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Siren Enterprises
(770)813-0231
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:48:57 -0400
If your Mac isn't normally on the local IP network, you'll be MUCH
better served by using PC/MacLAN (from Miramar) which turns your PC into an
AppleShare server & client. That way it will be available to your Mac via
AppleShare (and AppleTalk) and you can keep the Mac's IP setup as is.
Leonard
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Dan Keldsen (djk@delphigroup.com)
22 Oct 98 09:31:02 -0400
I've gotten a number of complaints about folks receiving mail from us
(we're using QuickMail Pro Server, they're using MS Exchange Server) saying
that they can't get the enclosures to work AT ALL. No matter what type of
encoding we select on our side, they claim that the enclosure is useless on
their end, even if they have the brains to try using something like
Stuffit Expander (Windows or Mac) on their end and extract the "text mess" at
the end of the message.
I found a "fix" in Microsoft's online database, which suggested that this
problem should be fixed if the Exchange Service Pack 2 (or later) was
installed. Pointed this out to one of the sites having problems, and they
claim they are already up to date.
Anybody have any ideas as to what else can be done to try and fix this?
We can send and receive enclosures just fine to just about any other
server/client combo in the known world, and this is really becoming irritating,
as it seems entirely out of my control.
Help?
Dan Keldsen - djk@delphigroup.com
Director, I.S. - webmaster@delphigroup.com
The Delphi Group - http://www.delphigroup.com/
100 City Hall Plaza - ph: 617-247-1511
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Kenneth S. Redler (ken@comvision.com)
Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:48:59 -0400
> > Excuse the post if this doesnt happen correctly; its my first.
>
> We have several Mac clients on a Windows NT 4.0 network (peer to peer).
>On many
> occasions (about once every two days) the mac shares drop out of sight and we
> need to reboot the server to bring them back. Anyone have any ideas? We are
> running service pack 3 and *have* installed the hot fix to fix the
>jumping icons,
> but this seems unrelated to that.
We have been plagued with this problem for about a year, despite applying
every possible fix. It seems to be related to files being incompletely
written to disk on the NT Servers, perhaps as a result of a Mac crashing
while writing a file. Maybe. In any case, restarting the system doesn't
always solve the problem. Most of the time we have to set the system to run
a chkdsk on each drive on startup. Inevitably, chkdsk finds and fixes
various little disk problems, always related to the "Network Trash Folder."
After chkdsking, the system comes up fine, and Mac file sharing works again.
-- Ken
==========================================================================
Kenneth S. Redler Comvision
ksr@comvision.com Corporate Internet Solutions
Tel 800-326-5494 x12 Fax 212-687-2708 305 Madison Avenue Suite 1365
http://www.comvision.com New York NY 10017
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:23:12 -0400
They may be "extracing the text mess" incorrectly! Have them save
the ENTIRE Email message and drop that on Expander - Expander is smart, it
will find the file...
Leonard
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Cesar Morales (camorales@popmail.ucsd.edu)
Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:54:17 -0800
Our department has recently set up an NT server. Before this setup, one of
the techies in our department, has had as one of his personal use machines,
an NT Server box.
Our department NT server is the most important machine of both. His, is
really an unnofficial machine because he pretty much put it together
himself and was payed for by himself, I guess he felt like bringing in his
own machine in addition to the one given to him by the department.
To make a long story short, his machine is currently the Primary Domain
Controller, and when we set up our NT box it was setup as the Backup Domain
Controller. I do not yet understand very well what consequences this may
have in the near future for our clients, but I suspect we would want to
have the official NT Server as the PDC for the department.
By the way, we currently have been running NetWare 3.11 and have about 45
clients, 3 of which are PCs, and the rest are Macs.
I will gradually migrate all of these accounts to the NT server fairly soon
and I am not so sure that these accounts will need to be migrated to a PDC
machine only (to avoid unforeseen problems?).
Can you please shed some light on this issue?
Thank you very much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Cesar Morales
Computing Shaman
UCSD/Music
619-822-1034
cesar@ucsd.edu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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-also from a UCB computer lab bulletin board
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Pierce, Ian (PierceI@stripes.osd.mil)
Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:03:30 -0400
Domain Controller (PDC or BDC)
Member Server (i.e. server but not a Domain Controller)
and maybe one or two other choices.
The point is, there's nothing different in the OS of a PDC or BDC, they just
know that they are domain controllers. It would be impossible, however, to
promote a non-Domain Controller to Domain Controller status--you'd have to
reload the OS. Fortunately you're not in that position.
Ian
>-----Original Message-----
>
>
>Hello everyone,
>
>Our department has recently set up an NT server. Before this
>setup, one of
>the techies in our department, has had as one of his personal
>use machines,
>an NT Server box.
>
>Our department NT server is the most important machine of both. His, is
>really an unnofficial machine because he pretty much put it together
>himself and was payed for by himself, I guess he felt like
>bringing in his
>own machine in addition to the one given to him by the department.
>
>To make a long story short, his machine is currently the Primary Domain
>Controller, and when we set up our NT box it was setup as the
>Backup Domain
>Controller. I do not yet understand very well what
>consequences this may
>have in the near future for our clients, but I suspect we would want to
>have the official NT Server as the PDC for the department.
>
>By the way, we currently have been running NetWare 3.11 and
>have about 45
>clients, 3 of which are PCs, and the rest are Macs.
>
>I will gradually migrate all of these accounts to the NT
>server fairly soon
>and I am not so sure that these accounts will need to be
>migrated to a PDC
>machine only (to avoid unforeseen problems?).
>
>Can you please shed some light on this issue?
>
>Thank you very much.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> Cesar Morales
> Computing Shaman
> UCSD/Music
> 619-822-1034
> cesar@ucsd.edu
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Peter Darby (pdarby@chinooksedge.ab.ca)
Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:26:04 -0600
We are a school district and have recently converted our entire administration from Mac to Windows. We currently use a POP3 email (Netscape Message server), and have Office 97 on all our desks.
1. What is the best way for us to do group calendaring (for about 12 people in one site)? Exchange looks like an obvious solution, but is this the best and simplest to administer?
2. We are trying to maintain our crossplatform access to email as 2/3 of our district desktops are Mac, is there a good web based email program out there? It would be nice for teachers and others to be able to go to any machine and log on without dealing with configuration issues (we had this in our old First Class days.
3. Is there a bug in Outlook 97 for Windows when accessing email? A couple of our office clients who have Compaq laptops occasionally get messages about being out of memory and basically lock up and won't access the mail. We solve this now by accessing the mail once with any other email client and then return to using Outlook, which performs fine for a few weeks. Is Outlook 98 for Windows much of an improvement over Outlook 97?
Thanks for the help
Peter
Peter Darby
Associate Superintendent (Technology)
Chinook's Edge School Division
Innisfail, Alberta, Canada
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Debbie Buxton (dbuxton@tscnet.com)
Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:52:13 +0000
Trying to figure out how to change the default e-mail program in Word97
(PC). I know how to do it on my Mac, but trying to help a PC person and
nothing is the same. Word defaults to Outlook Express when she does a send
and she wants it to go to Outlook which she also has installed. I know she
should just delete Outlook Express, but she wants to have it as a back up?
Anyway if anyone can help - TIA.
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Chris Morin (eemmbb@mixcom.com)
Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:50:20 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Darby [SMTP:pdarby@chinooksedge.ab.ca]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 3:26 PM
To: 'winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu'
Subject: [WinMac] email and calendars
I enjoy all the questions and comments. Time for me to stop lurking.
We are a school district and have recently converted our entire
administration from Mac to Windows. We currently use a POP3 email
(Netscape Message server), and have Office 97 on all our desks.
1. What is the best way for us to do group calendaring (for about 12 people
in one site)? Exchange looks like an obvious solution, but is this the
best and simplest to administer?
2. We are trying to maintain our crossplatform access to email as 2/3 of
our district desktops are Mac, is there a good web based email program out
there? It would be nice for teachers and others to be able to go to any
machine and log on without dealing with configuration issues (we had this
in our old First Class days.
3. Is there a bug in Outlook 97 for Windows when accessing email? A couple
of our office clients who have Compaq laptops occasionally get messages
about being out of memory and basically lock up and won't access the mail.
We solve this now by accessing the mail once with any other email client
and then return to using Outlook, which performs fine for a few weeks. Is
Outlook 98 for Windows much of an improvement over Outlook 97?
Thanks for the help
Peter
Peter Darby
Associate Superintendent (Technology)
Chinook's Edge School Division
Innisfail, Alberta, Canada
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Scott Carlson (scottcarlson@mindless.com)
Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:03:10 -0500
Win98 machine with a 10base2 connection
WinNT 4 server with 2 ethernet cards (10bT and 10b2)
2 MAC SE's with 10bT cards.
All computers are sharing and communicating. I have a proxy server on the
NT machine. But I need an e-mail and internet proxy connection from the
Macintosh SE's.
Any hints to configure? Anyone have software for web,FTP, e-mail that lets
you enter a proxy connection?
Anyone have something similar?
Any info is welcomed
Thanks
Scott
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Joan Surrell Sauri (joan.surrell@ima.udg.es)
Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:38:40 +0200
We have a small LAN with an NT 4 (SP3) server
and several Mac Clients. Yesteday I set up
some of our HP LaserJet printers to be used
from a PM 4400/200 in both direct connection
(printing files are sent from Mac to printers)
and NT-queued connection (printing files are
sent to NT server and it send to printers).
When I try to configure the printer driver
using NT queue, our Mac send a little query
to the NT queue and I select the right PPD
file.
It seems that the little query was not acceptable
by out NT server: whet it tries to proces the
job it becomes very overloaded til NT system manager
manually deletes it.
Does anyone have any suggestion?
More information:
- NT runs services for macintosh, not DAVE.
- PM4400 run Mac OS 7.5.3.
- LaserJet driver is 8.2.1
- NT queues are used by PC-NT clients withou trouble.
- all of the use ethernet.
Thanks in advance,
--Joan Surrell Universitat de Girona. Departament de Informatica i Matematica Aplicada. E-Mail: joan.surrell@ima.udg.es
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Pierce, Ian (PierceI@stripes.osd.mil)
Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:42:11 -0400
The bad news is that you cannot manipulate or connect to another computer
using just TCP/IP. The computers must also be on the same AppleTalk
network. In other words, you can't just put in the IP address of the mac
you want to see; you have to be able to get to that mac from your Chooser.
This is a bummer because while our NT LANs are connected by VPN, the Mac
users aren't capable of seeing the AppleTalk zones on our other LANs. Which
leads to a question: Is it possible to extend the AppleShare capabilities
of NT so that our AppleTalk zones "know about" the VPN links between our 3
LANs? We are using Microsoft's RRAS for the VPN, mainly because it's free.
Is this what the 'Enable Routing' checkbox in the Control Panel -> Network
-> Services for Macintosh -> Properties page would do? I'm a little afraid
to check this box, esp. since on our LAN here noone ever bothered to give
our AppleTalk zone a name.
Ian
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Craig Rash [mailto:cRash@pcci.edu]
>Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 9:45 AM
>To: Windows-MacOS cooperation list
>Subject: RE: [WinMac] Re: ANAT
>
>
> Reply to: RE: [WinMac] Re: ANAT
>Network assistant does support TCP/IP. I have never used it
>over a dial up connection. I imagine you would experience a
>signifigant decrease in performance, but with a reliable
>connection it should work.
>
>Craig Rash <cRash@pcci.edu>
>Tech Support Coordinator
>Pensacola Christian College <http://www.pcci.edu>
>
>
>Alex Dearden wrote:
>>>The other half of ANAT is called Network Assistant. This
>little tool is a >>great time saver. It allows remote
>control, remote administration, remote >>software install,
>screen sharing and many other features. We use this >>not
>only in our labs but also in our offices, especially on
>machines in >>other buildings that are hard to get to, on
>kiosks, even on "trouble" >>users' macs that are just down the hall.
>>
>>Does it allow administration over the internet (or at least a
>modem)? Or >do I have to use Apple Remote Access for that?
>>
>>Alex Dearden
>>pata@doglover.com
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Harris Meyers (HarrisM@npcconsult.com)
Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:50:10 -0700
Since you are already running Netscape servers, I
would recommend Netscape's Calendar server.
Netscape's calendar server work with the calendar
program in Communicator. I use Netscape messenger
as an IMAP mail client and, of course, tie the
whole thing together with LDAP.
Harris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Darby [mailto:pdarby@chinooksedge.ab.ca]
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 1:26 PM
> Subject: email and calendars
>
>
> I enjoy all the questions and comments. Time for me to stop lurking.
>
> We are a school district and have recently converted our entire
> administration from Mac to Windows. We currently use a POP3
> email (Netscape Message server), and have Office 97 on all our desks.
> 1. What is the best way for us to do group calendaring (for about
> 12 people in one site)? Exchange looks like an obvious solution,
> but is this the best and simplest to administer?
> 2. We are trying to maintain our crossplatform access to email as
> 2/3 of our district desktops are Mac, is there a good web based
> email program out there? It would be nice for teachers and
> others to be able to go to any machine and log on without dealing
> with configuration issues (we had this in our old First Class days.
> 3. Is there a bug in Outlook 97 for Windows when accessing email?
> A couple of our office clients who have Compaq laptops
> occasionally get messages about being out of memory and basically
> lock up and won't access the mail. We solve this now by
> accessing the mail once with any other email client and then
> return to using Outlook, which performs fine for a few weeks. Is
> Outlook 98 for Windows much of an improvement over Outlook 97?
>
> Thanks for the help
>
> Peter
>
>
> Peter Darby
> Associate Superintendent (Technology)
> Chinook's Edge School Division
> Innisfail, Alberta, Canada
>
>
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Leland R. Beaudrot (leland@arpsynod.org)
Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:39:44 -0400
> Subject: Prosoft Engineering NetWare Client 5.12 Preview Now Available!
> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 98 08:11:32 -0700
> From: Ken Freeman <kfreeman@prosofteng.com>
>
> Visit Prosoft Engineering's newly designed web site for updated
> information about product plans for NetWare for Mac OS, and download the
> Preview release of the NetWare Client 5.12 for Mac OS!
> (http://www.prosofteng.com/nw4mac/)
--
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Craig Rash (cRash@pcci.edu)
23 Oct 98 09:41:53 -0500
Craig Rash <cRash@pcci.edu>
Tech Support Coordinator
Pensacola Christian College <http://www.pcci.edu>
Pierce, Ian wrote:
>I was looking to purchase Network Assistant, to remote-control our macs. I
>spoke with Apple Educational sales, which is where you buy this product
>from. They told me that Network Assistant is part of Apple Network
>Administrator's Toolkit (ANAT) and it costs $399 for 10 licenses.
>
>The bad news is that you cannot manipulate or connect to another computer
>using just TCP/IP. The computers must also be on the same AppleTalk
>network. In other words, you can't just put in the IP address of the mac
>you want to see; you have to be able to get to that mac from your Chooser.
>
>This is a bummer because while our NT LANs are connected by VPN, the Mac
>users aren't capable of seeing the AppleTalk zones on our other LANs. Which
>leads to a question: Is it possible to extend the AppleShare capabilities
>of NT so that our AppleTalk zones "know about" the VPN links between our 3
>LANs? We are using Microsoft's RRAS for the VPN, mainly because it's free.
>Is this what the 'Enable Routing' checkbox in the Control Panel -> Network
>-> Services for Macintosh -> Properties page would do? I'm a little afraid
>to check this box, esp. since on our LAN here noone ever bothered to give
>our AppleTalk zone a name.
>
>Ian
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Craig Rash [mailto:cRash@pcci.edu]
>>Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 9:45 AM
>>To: Windows-MacOS cooperation list
>>Subject: RE: [WinMac] Re: ANAT
>>
>>
>> Reply to: RE: [WinMac] Re: ANAT
>>Network assistant does support TCP/IP. I have never used it >>over a dial up connection. I imagine you would experience a >>signifigant decrease in performance, but with a reliable >>connection it should work.
>>
>>Craig Rash <cRash@pcci.edu>
>>Tech Support Coordinator
>>Pensacola Christian College <http://www.pcci.edu>
>>
>>
>>Alex Dearden wrote:
>>>>The other half of ANAT is called Network Assistant. This >>little tool is a >>great time saver. It allows remote >>control, remote administration, remote >>software install, >>screen sharing and many other features. We use this >>not >>only in our labs but also in our offices, especially on >>machines in >>other buildings that are hard to get to, on >>kiosks, even on "trouble" >>users' macs that are just down the hall.
>>>
>>>Does it allow administration over the internet (or at least a >>modem)? Or >do I have to use Apple Remote Access for that?
>>>
>>>Alex Dearden
>>>pata@doglover.com
>
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Cesar Morales (camorales@popmail.ucsd.edu)
Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:23:19 -0800
have you tried Timbuktu Pro?
" Timbuktu Pro remote control and file transfer software offers users a
scaleable, multi-platform remote
takeover solution across a LAN, WAN, the Internet or dial-up connections.
It is the ideal tool for
workgroups, remote workers, and help desk administrators seeking to
remotely control other computers,
access corporate network resources, transfer files, collaborate, and more.
Timbuktu Pro is the only
software with compatibility between Windows 3.x, Windows 95, Windows 98,
Windows NT 3.51 &
4.0, and MacOS"
http://www.netopia.com/software/tb2/
Cesar
>I was looking to purchase Network Assistant, to remote-control our macs. I
>spoke with Apple Educational sales, which is where you buy this product
>from. They told me that Network Assistant is part of Apple Network
>Administrator's Toolkit (ANAT) and it costs $399 for 10 licenses.
>
>The bad news is that you cannot manipulate or connect to another computer
>using just TCP/IP. The computers must also be on the same AppleTalk
>network. In other words, you can't just put in the IP address of the mac
>you want to see; you have to be able to get to that mac from your Chooser.
>
>This is a bummer because while our NT LANs are connected by VPN, the Mac
>users aren't capable of seeing the AppleTalk zones on our other LANs. Which
>leads to a question: Is it possible to extend the AppleShare capabilities
>of NT so that our AppleTalk zones "know about" the VPN links between our 3
>LANs? We are using Microsoft's RRAS for the VPN, mainly because it's free.
>Is this what the 'Enable Routing' checkbox in the Control Panel -> Network
>-> Services for Macintosh -> Properties page would do? I'm a little afraid
>to check this box, esp. since on our LAN here noone ever bothered to give
>our AppleTalk zone a name.
>
>Ian
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Craig Rash [mailto:cRash@pcci.edu]
>>Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 9:45 AM
>>To: Windows-MacOS cooperation list
>>Subject: RE: [WinMac] Re: ANAT
>>
>>
>> Reply to: RE: [WinMac] Re: ANAT
>>Network assistant does support TCP/IP. I have never used it
>>over a dial up connection. I imagine you would experience a
>>signifigant decrease in performance, but with a reliable
>>connection it should work.
>>
>>Craig Rash <cRash@pcci.edu>
>>Tech Support Coordinator
>>Pensacola Christian College <http://www.pcci.edu>
>>
>>
>>Alex Dearden wrote:
>>>>The other half of ANAT is called Network Assistant. This
>>little tool is a >>great time saver. It allows remote
>>control, remote administration, remote >>software install,
>>screen sharing and many other features. We use this >>not
>>only in our labs but also in our offices, especially on
>>machines in >>other buildings that are hard to get to, on
>>kiosks, even on "trouble" >>users' macs that are just down the hall.
>>>
>>>Does it allow administration over the internet (or at least a
>>modem)? Or >do I have to use Apple Remote Access for that?
>>>
>>>Alex Dearden
>>>pata@doglover.com
>
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Cesar Morales
Computing Shaman
UCSD/Music
619-822-1034
cesar@ucsd.edu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Robert Taylor (robbert@ncal.verio.com)
Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:23:30 -0700
I have a 6500/225 and a P133 NEC Desktop.
6500 has no Ethernet nor does the NEC.
NEC does have a USB port.
System 8.1 and 8.5...and windoz98
Whats a "cheap" way to connect the two in a network to "transfer" many jpg
files.
AppleTalk? Phone connectors? Buy Ethernet cards for both? Software?
I have never connected a Mac and a PC.
Thanks
I also have a 6100 now that has a a "ethernet" connection. Use that instead?
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David McKnight (dmcknight@mis.fleetwood.com)
Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:06:50 -0700
When the Macs access the NT server and view a directory in List View,
the list appears to expand and contract in size as icons double-up
(one below the other), then revert back to normal. And while I did say
it was mostly an irritation, it does make it difficult when you want
to select one of these bobbing icons.
Has anyone had a similar experience? And what did you do to solve the
problem? This does not appear to occur when you are viewing the
directory in normal Icon View -- only List View. And sometimes it
appears to settle down once the window has been open for a little
while; other times not.
Thanks!
DAVID
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Darryl Lee (lee@darryl.com)
Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:25:44 -0700 (PDT)
It's in the FAQ:
http://www.darryl.com/winmacfaq/winmacfaq-4.html#ss4.6
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Darryl Lee (lee@darryl.com)
Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:35:31 -0700 (PDT)
And oh, that hotfix mentioned in the FAQ has probably been superceded
by NT Service Pack 4.
(http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/contents/updates/nt4svcpk4/default.asp)
Of couse that only was released Wednesday, so personally i'd sit
things out a little longer to hear what people have to say (good
or bad) about SP 4 and the included SFM (Services for Macintosh)
fixes.
Has anybody on here gotten SP 4 and installed it? Does the alias
problem that is a side effect of the installing the "jumping icon"
fix still occur?
(And can you believe this issue is the main reason i subscribed to
this mailing list way back in July?)
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Michael H. Martel (martelm@quark.vsc.edu)
Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:45:22 -0400
> Has anybody on here gotten SP 4 and installed it? Does the alias
> problem that is a side effect of the installing the "jumping icon"
> fix still occur?
I have the SP, and plan on putting it on my FTP site when I finish
rebuilding the NT server it killed. :-)
Yes the SFM patch in SP4 fixes the Dancing icon bug. However, I've only
been running it for 24hrs and not in production mode yet. Hell not even one
client using it for real work yet. That's because when I installed SP4 it
made my NT box so I couldnt' login. Actually I think it was an
incompatibility with DiskKeeper but the result is the same. Rebuild from
tapes.
I can keep people posted if they like.
Michael
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Pierce, Ian (PierceI@stripes.osd.mil)
Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:57:17 -0400
ian
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael H. Martel [mailto:martelm@quark.vsc.edu]
>Sent: Friday, October 23, 1998 2:45 PM
>To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
>Subject: Re: [WinMac] NT Server and Bobbing Icons in Mac List View
>
>
>--On Fri, Oct 23, 1998 10:35 AM -0700 Darryl Lee
><lee@darryl.com> wrote:
>
>> Has anybody on here gotten SP 4 and installed it? Does the alias
>> problem that is a side effect of the installing the "jumping icon"
>> fix still occur?
>
>I have the SP, and plan on putting it on my FTP site when I finish
>rebuilding the NT server it killed. :-)
>
>Yes the SFM patch in SP4 fixes the Dancing icon bug. However,
>I've only
>been running it for 24hrs and not in production mode yet. Hell
>not even one
>client using it for real work yet. That's because when I
>installed SP4 it
>made my NT box so I couldnt' login. Actually I think it was an
>incompatibility with DiskKeeper but the result is the same.
>Rebuild from
>tapes.
>
>I can keep people posted if they like.
>
>
>
>Michael
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Michael H. Martel (martelm@quark.vsc.edu)
Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:12:31 -0400
> Yes please keep us posted. I'm in a "too many users" infinite loop at
> microsoft right now.
I should have the alpha and intel versions online within the hour
> You can be the WinMac NT SP4 Guinea Pig. We all thank you.
hey someone has to do it! Now if only I could convince MS that I am a good
beta tester too ... ;-)
> How do I repair Windows NT after applying the latest service pack?
Low level all disks. Re-install. Drink lotsa caffine. :-)
Michael
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Paul E. Jacoby (pejacoby@imation.com)
Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:30:19 -0500
Check the ReadMe and detailed bug fix list for Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack
4. There are a number of patches related to SFM, and several of them sound
like they tie into your problem.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/contents/updates/nt4svcpk4/defau
lt.asp
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:27:36 -0400
At 10:35 AM 10/23/98 -0700, you wrote:
>> Dancing or Jumping Icon Bug.
>>
>> It's in the FAQ:
>>
>> http://www.darryl.com/winmacfaq/winmacfaq-4.html#ss4.6
>
>And oh, that hotfix mentioned in the FAQ has probably been superceded
>by NT Service Pack 4.
>(http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/contents/updates/nt4svcpk4/defa
ult.asp)
>
>Of couse that only was released Wednesday, so personally i'd sit
>things out a little longer to hear what people have to say (good
>or bad) about SP 4 and the included SFM (Services for Macintosh)
>fixes.
>
>Has anybody on here gotten SP 4 and installed it? Does the alias
>problem that is a side effect of the installing the "jumping icon"
>fix still occur?
>
>(And can you believe this issue is the main reason i subscribed to
>this mailing list way back in July?)
>
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:26:03 -0400
WARNING: Do this during off-hours, and be sure to synchronize domain
controllers. Otherwise, 95 and NT clients can have all sorts of login
problems with "Domain Controller not found" error messages.
Also, do NOT confuse an NT Domain with a *nix domain (like we all use with
the Internet). In fact, you can have a separate NT domain riding on the
same wires as a *nix domain! (I did this at a college when I wanted to
provide security amongst a bunch of students so they could trade files in
privacy!)
Cheers!
Dan
At 09:54 AM 10/22/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>
>Our department has recently set up an NT server. Before this setup, one of
>the techies in our department, has had as one of his personal use machines,
>an NT Server box.
>
>Our department NT server is the most important machine of both. His, is
>really an unnofficial machine because he pretty much put it together
>himself and was payed for by himself, I guess he felt like bringing in his
>own machine in addition to the one given to him by the department.
>
>To make a long story short, his machine is currently the Primary Domain
>Controller, and when we set up our NT box it was setup as the Backup Domain
>Controller. I do not yet understand very well what consequences this may
>have in the near future for our clients, but I suspect we would want to
>have the official NT Server as the PDC for the department.
>
>By the way, we currently have been running NetWare 3.11 and have about 45
>clients, 3 of which are PCs, and the rest are Macs.
>
>I will gradually migrate all of these accounts to the NT server fairly soon
>and I am not so sure that these accounts will need to be migrated to a PDC
>machine only (to avoid unforeseen problems?).
>
>Can you please shed some light on this issue?
>
>Thank you very much.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> Cesar Morales
> Computing Shaman
> UCSD/Music
> 619-822-1034
> cesar@ucsd.edu
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> "Sleep is for those who can't finish a project in one night"
> -from a UCB computer lab bulletin board
>
> "Bathrooms are for the weak"
> -also from a UCB computer lab bulletin board
>
> "My new best friend...Sherlock"
>
>
>
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:35:32 -0400
Cheers!
Daniel L. Schwartz,
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Dan's Macintosh Consulting
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======================================================================
Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 Workstation
and Windows NT 4.0 Server
Service Pack 4
======================================================================
(c) Copyright Microsoft Corporation, 1998
This document provides information about Microsoft Windows NT 4.0
Workstation and Windows NT 4.0 Server Service Pack 4 (SP4), as well as
answers to questions that you might have.
------------------------
HOW TO USE THIS DOCUMENT
------------------------
To view Readme.txt on the screen in Notepad, maximize the Notepad
window. For best viewing, click Edit, and then click Word Wrap.
To print Readme.txt, open it in Notepad or another word processor,
click the File menu, and then click Print. For best printing results,
click Edit, click Set Font, type 9 in the Size box, and then click OK.
For a current list of computer and hardware peripherals supported by
Windows NT 4.0, see the Windows NT Hardware Compatibility List
at http://www.microsoft.com/hwtest/hcl.
=========
CONTENTS
=========
1.0 INTRODUCTION
1.1 What's New in Service Pack 4
1.2 Downloading and Extracting the Service Pack
2.0 INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS FOR WINDOWS NT 4.0 SERVICE PACK 4
2.1 Before You Install the Service Pack
2.2 Installing the Service Pack
2.3 Service Pack Uninstall
2.4 Year 2000 Service Pack Installation
3.0 USER NOTES
3.1 Emergency Repair Disk
3.2 Adding New Components to the System
3.3 Installing Symbol Files from the CD
3.4 Hardware Compatibility with Windows NT 4.0
3.5 DIGITAL Alpha Notes
3.6 Running Windows NT Administrative Tools from Remote Server
3.7 CryptoAPI and Authenticode
3.8 Uninstalling Internet Explorer
3.9 Certificate Server Notes
3.10 Internet Information Server 4.0, Secure Sockets Layer and
Root CA Certificates
3.11 Message Queue Notes
3.12 Installing COM Internet Services
3.13 Event Log Service
3.14 Upgrading a Cluster to SP4
4.0 ADDITIONAL FIXES AND WORKAROUNDS
4.1 Installing Windows NT 4.0 on a Windows NT 5.0 Computer
4.2 Dual Booting Between Versions of Windows NT 4.0 and
Windows NT 5.0
4.3 NTFS Version 4 and NTFS Version 5 Support
4.4 Installing SP4 on a Windows NT Server Enterprise Edition
System
4.5 Internet Information Server 4.0
4.6 Security Configuration Manager
4.7 Updating Audio Drivers
4.8 Microsoft Proxy Server
5.0 APPLICATION NOTES
5.1 CheckIt Diagnostic Kit 4.0 by Touchstone
5.2 Norton CrashGuard 2.0 for Windows NT
5.3 Inoculan 4.0
5.4 Exceed
5.5 Terminal Server
5.6 Microsoft NetMeeting Y2K and Security Issues
5.7 Numega SoftIce
5.8 Microsoft BackOffice Small Business Server
5.9 Rational Visual Quantify Version 4
5.10 Microsoft IntelliPoint
6.0 LIST OF BUGS FIXED IN WINDOWS NT 4.0 SERVICE PACKS 1-4
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1.0 INTRODUCTION
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This release of Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 4 (SP4) is easy
to apply while Windows NT is running and updates all files that are
older than those included in this Windows NT Service Pack.
Service Pack releases are cumulative and contain all previous
Service Pack fixes and any new fixes created after Service Pack 3.
IMPORTANT: SP4 contains only 40-bit encryption.
This release isn't supported for installation on an existing North
American 128-bit installation of Windows NT 4.0. If you install SP4
on a computer with 128-bit encryption, system services might fail
to start.
IMPORTANT: It's recommended that you stop running any critical
services before you apply Windows NT 4.0 SP4. For more preinstallation
recommendations, see section 2.1, "Before You Install the Service Pack."
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1.1 What's New in Service Pack 4
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1.1.1 Active Accessibility Support
Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA) is a COM-based standard method
by which a utility program interacts with an application's user
interface (UI). Using MSAA applications can expose all UI elements
and objects with standard properties and methods. SP4 includes five
new application programming interfaces (APIs). These new APIs include:
* GetGUIThreadInfo
* GetAncestor
* RealChildWindowsFromPoint
* RealGetWindowClassA
* RealGetWindowClassW
1.1.2 DCOM/HTTP Tunneling
This update allows DCOM client/server communication to cross
firewalls over the HTTP protocol port. The new protocol "Tunneling
TCP" is used like other DCOM protocols. The new moniker type OBJREF
is passed in HTML to the client. The benefits of Tunneling TCP
include high performance, use of existing open ports in the firewall,
and control of client access for proxy administrators. For more
information, see http://www.microsoft.com/com.
For instructions on installing Tunneling TCP, see section 3.11,
"Installing COM Internet Services" under User Notes.
1.1.3 Euro Key Patch
The Euro Key Patch is an update to include the new European "euro"
currency symbol. The update supplies the core fonts (Arial, Courier
New, and Times New Roman) and the keyboard drivers.
1.1.4 InternetGroup Management Protocol (IGMP) v2
IGMPv2 allows a computer to inform the router that it's leaving a
group. This update enables the router to determine if there are no
more members in a group and then executes a command to stop forwarding
mcast packets on to the link. This update is useful when users are
frequently joining and leaving groups.
1.1.5 Microsoft File and Print Service for NetWare (FPNW) Support
for Client32
Microsoft File and Print Services for NetWare permits the Windows NT
4.0 Server to act as a NetWare 3.X Server and is able to process file
and print requests from NetWare clients without changing or updating
the NetWare client software. This Service Pack provides an update that
allows Windows NT 4.0 to support NetWare's Client32. This update
installs only on those computers that have the FPNW service already
installed.
1.1.6 Proquota.exe
The Proquota.exe is a utility that can be set up to monitor the size
of users' profiles. If an individual user's profile exceeds the
predetermined file limit, the user won't be able to log off of the
computer until the user reduces the size of the file.
1.1.7 Remote Winsock (DNS/Port 53)
Proxies or firewalls will often disable the Domain Name System (DNS)
port number 53 in order to deter external sites from querying the
internal DNS structure. As a result, inbound response packets sent
on port 53 can't be received. SP4 provides a solution to change
the Windows NT DNS server port number and configure it to use a
different port number when connecting outbound.
To enable this feature, a registry value "DWORD" is created. Locate
\services\dns\parameters\SendOnNonDnsPort and set to a non-zero value
to go off port 53. If the value is < 1024 the server can use any port
number. If the value is > 1024 the server will use the port number
specified.
1.1.8 Remote Procedure Calls (RPC) Enhancements for Visual Basic (VB)
RPC enhancements for VB have been provided in this release. In VB, a
"User Data Type (UDT)" is added allowing the TypeLib arrangement of
structures. These new user interfaces, IRecordInfo, provide UDT
information and a UDT field for the Access Database.
1.1.9 Routing Information Protocol (RIP) Listener
If you utilize RIP Listener on a computer running Windows NT 4.0,
you can use SP4 to update this component. If you want to install
RIP Listener after you apply SP4, use the following procedure.
>>>To install the RIP Listener:
1. Insert the SP4 CD into the disc drive, and change the folder to
\I386 (or \Alpha).
2. Copy Oemnsvir.wks to D:\<winntsystemroot>\system32\oemnsvir.inf.
3. Click Start, point to Settings, and click Control Panel. Double-
click Network, and on the Services tab, click Add.
4. In Network Service, select RIP for Internet Protocol, and then
click OK.
5. In the Windows NT Setup dialog box, type the path for the location
of the SP4 files and click OK.
1.1.10 Visual Studio-MICS
This Service Pack includes an update to Visual Studio called Visual
Studio Analyzer Events. Visual Studio Analyzer Events provides a
graphical representation of high-level behaviors and their solutions.
Use Visual Studio Analyzer Events to view graphically simple tables
of event logs, the system's performance, and Windows NT Performance
Monitor (NT PerfMon), as well as other system data.
1.1.11 Year 2000 (Y2K) Fixes
This Service Pack contains fixes for known Year 2000 issues for
Windows NT 4.0, including:
* The User Manager and User Manager for Domains recognize the year
2000 as a leap year.
* The Date/Time Control Panel applet can update the system clock.
* Find Files supports only numeric character recognition in the
decades field.
* Word document properties recognize both 1900 and 2000 as valid
centuries and support four-digit years.
* The Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) administrators
program supports displaying the years between 2000-2009 with a
minimum of two digits.
For more information, see section 2.4, "Year 2000 Service Pack
Installation."
1.1.12 Compaq Fiber Storage Driver
This driver and .Inf are located in the \Drvlib folder. When installed,
the Compaq fiber storage driver along with the .Inf provides support
for Compaq fiber storage devices. The certified devices are:
* Compaq Fiber Channel Host Controller/P for PCI.
* Compaq Fiber Channel Host Controller/E for EISA.
1.1.13 Internet Explorer 4.01 Service Pack 1
Internet Explorer 4.01 Service Pack 1 is located in SP4 in the
\Msie401 folder. Run Ie4setup.exe to install this version of Internet
Explorer on your computer.
1.1.14 Message Queue (MSMQ) for Windows 95 Client
This Service Pack also includes MSMQ Windows 95 Client fixes, located
in the \Support\Msmq.95 folder. Most problems that are mentioned in
section 3.10, "Message Queue (MSMQ) Notes," also apply to Windows 95.
In addition, the Windows 95 MSMQ update fixes a problem causing long
delays with MQOpenQueue() and MQIS operations on offline computers.
This MSMQ Windows 95 update doesn't have an uninstall option.
1.1.15 Option Pack Fixes
This Service Pack release includes Option Pack fixes and enhancements.
If you have the Internet Information Server version 4.0 Option Pack
installed, the Service Pack 4 update program will automatically update
the Option Pack components installed on your computer.
When beginning the installation of the Windows NT Option Pack 4.0 on
a server with Windows NT SP 4.0 and Internet Information Server 3.0,
the following message may appear:
"Setup detected that Windows NT 4.0 SP4 or greater is installed on your
machine. We haven't tested this product on SP4. Do you wish to proceed?"
The Windows NT Option Pack 4.0 is fully tested and supported to run on
servers with the Windows NT Service Pack 4.0. Click Yes to continue
Setup.
NOTE: It’s recommended that you reinstall SP4 after you install Windows
NT Option Pack 4.0. Otherwise, an MSMQ MQIS Controller installation
won’t work until the Windows NT Service Pack 4.0 is reinstalled.
1.1.15.1 Certificate Server
The Microsoft Certificate Server is a standards-based, highly
customizable server application for managing the creation,
issuance, and renewal of digital certificates. Certificate
Server generates certificates in standard X.509 format. These
certificates are used for a number of public-key security and
authentication applications including, but not limited to,
server and client authentication under the Secure Sockets
Layer (SSL) protocol and secure e-mail using Secure/Multipurpose
Internet Mail.
The update to Certificate Server includes:
* Teletex Encoding--Data encoded as teletex in a certificate
request will be encoded as teletex data in the certificate
issued. Formerly, this data would have been encoded as Unicode
in the certificate issued.
* Serial Number--Serial numbers are generated according to X.509
standards. These serial numbers are automatically generated,
unique, and always positive. This is to accommodate restrictive
mail clients.
* Backup/Restore--Specific backup requests are supported,
including backing up keys and certificates.
* An update to the default policy module so that mail certificates
issued are usable by Outlook 98.
* An update to Certificate Server to fix a problem with
certificates issued on February 29th of a leap year.
Previously, the validity period would have the NotBefore and
NotAfter dates set to the same date. With this update,
NotBefore and NotAfter are now set correctly in the context
of the CA validity for certificates issued on February 29th
of a leap year.
For information on how to use the keys and certificate backup/
restore utility, go to the Knowledge Base at http://support.
microsoft.com/support/ and search for KB article Q185195.
This release of Certificate Server doesn’t support certificate
hierarchies. However, a limited subset of the functions of
Certificate hierarchies work specifically with Exchange.
You can get additional information on this from a white paper
titled "Creating Certificate Hierarchies with Microsoft
Certificate Server Version 1.0." This is available as a self-
extracting .exe file (Hier3.exe) on the Microsoft Web site at
http://support.microsoft.com/support/downloads/LNP279.asp.
1.1.15.2 Index Server
Index Server is a content indexing engine that provides full
text retrieval for Web sites. Index Server requires that
Internet Information Server be installed.
1.1.15.3 Internet Information Server (IIS)
The following Internet Information Server version 4.0 Option
Pack components are installed on your computer:
1. Security Enhancements--Support for long file names for access
restrictions on a file or a folder.
2. Performance--Improvements on the logging and caching of
information. These improvements include, but aren't
limited to:
* IIS 4.0 performance on extension mapping.
* IIS 4.0 memory performance for mapping log files.
* IIS 4.0 performance in mapping unmapped data files if
memory configuration is low or stressed.
1.1.15.4 Message Queue (MSMQ) for Windows NT
This update to MSMQ includes:
* Performs cleanup of unused message file space every six hours
to reduce disk-space usage.
NOTE: This schedule may be configured via the
<MessageCleanupInterval> MSMQ registry key (in milliseconds).
* Clears all obsolete express message files when the MSMQ
service starts.
* Enforces case insensitivity with foreign language characters
in private queue names.
* Reduces occurrences of duplicate messages in persistent
delivery mode.
* Exhibits performance counters for remote queues after a
system recovery.
* Correctly shows per-session outgoing messages performance
counters.
* MSMQ MQIS servers refresh cached information every 12 hours.
* Fixes a problem causing transactional messages to be rejected
in some cases.
* Allows specifying external certificates via the MSMQ
ActiveX components interface.
* Transactional messages can be read from connector queues
after restarting the MSMQ connector application.
* MQSetQueueSecurity for private queue is supported.
* MQCreateQueue for private queues now works on Windows NT
Server 4.0 Option Pack installations on Microsoft Cluster
Server computers.
* Supports sending Microsoft PowerPoint and Microsoft Word
documents using ActiveX components.
* Fails when user attempts the renewal of internal certificates
when Primary Enterprise Controller (PEC)
is unreachable.
* Machine quota limitation correctly recomputed after restarting
the MSMQ service.
* MSMQ COM objects correctly process asynchronous message arrival
events in multithreaded applications.
* Improved detection and reporting of corrupted message packets
in message files that could have resulted in a hung MSMQ
service previously.
* Transactional messages sent offline are no longer
rejected with a bad message class: MQMSG_CLASS_NACK_BAD_DST_Q.
The symptom was that such messages were immediately routed
to the sender's exact dead letter queue.
* Supports sending messages to different computers that have
the same IP address. This can happen when a server attempts
to send messages to two different RAS clients
that happen to be assigned the same address one after the other.
* Recovers correctly when sending messages from a server to a
client whose address is no longer valid (e.g., a RAS client
that has timed-out). Previously, extra message traffic might
have been generated.
* Asynchronous messaging now functions correctly on Japanese
Windows 95 when using the MSMQ COM objects.
* Fixes a problem in the MSMQ COM objects when referencing the
response and admin queue properties of a message for queues
not explicitly refreshed from the MQIS.
* In Windows 95, calling MQOpenQueue with a DIRECT format no
longer blocks for a long time.
* If the Windows NT 4.0 licensing service isn't running, then
MSMQ per-seat licensing is no longer enforced.
* A specific call to MQLocateBegin no longer causes an exception
on the MQIS server. This could have occurred previously
when the Label restriction specified with an incorrect vt
argument (anything other than VT_LPWSTR).
* MSMQ applications can be run by users logged on to local machine
accounts. Note that this used to work anyway for shadowed
local accounts -- i.e., for accounts that had "identical" local
accounts (user name/password) on the server machine. The
default security for queues created by such users is that
everyone is granted full control (in particular, read and
delete permissions).
* A new MQIS update/restore utility is supplied that enables
administrators to seamlessly recover crashed MQIS servers.
See support\msmq.nt\MQISwizard.doc for more information.
1.1.15.5 Microsoft Transaction Server (MTS)
MTS is updated with a new Java Context class. If you're
building applications using Visual J++, you can use the new
Context class instead of IObjectContext. The Context class
allows you to do the following using Visual J++:
* Declare that the object's work is complete.
* Prevent a transaction from being processed, either temporarily
or permanently.
* Instantiate other MTS objects and include their work within
the scope of the current object's transaction.
* Determine whether a caller is in a particular role.
* Determine whether security is enabled.
* Determine whether the object is executing within a transaction.
See the Visual J++ section of the Programmer's Reference for
complete documentation of the new class.
1.1.15.6 SMTP, NNTP
Simple Mail Transport Protocol (SMTP), Network News Transport
Protocol (NNTP) enhancements are available in this Service Pack.
SMTP now supports the following services:
* Multiple virtual servers, or sites.
* ETRN command for dequeuing mail over dial-up connections.
>>>To enable this functionality:
1. Create a text file with the following text:
set obj = GetObject ( "IIS://localhost/smtpsvc" )
obj.Put "SmtpServiceVersion", 2
obj.SetInfo
NOTE: This is an Active Directory Service Interface (ADSI)
script that will update a value in the metabase.
2. Save this file as Enable.vbs.
3. From a command prompt, type the following and press ENTER:
cscript enable.vbs
For more information, go to the Knowledge Base at http://support.
microsoft.com/support/ and search for KB article Q183476.
You can also point to specific KB articles using the following
example:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q151/8/60.asp
1.1.16 Security Configuration Manager (SCM)
Security Configuration Manager (SCM) is an integrated security
system that gives administrators the ability to define and apply
security configurations for Windows NT Workstation and Windows NT
Server installations. SCM also has the capability to perform
inspections of the installed systems to locate any degradation in the
system's security. For further information on SCM, including
installation and usage instructions, refer to Readme.txt in the
\Mssce folder.
1.1.17 Web-based Enterprise Management (WBEM)
WBEM/WMI is Microsoft's implementation of Web-Based Enterprise
Management (WBEM), the new standard for representation of management
information as supported by the Desktop Management Task Force. It
surfaces important management data from Windows NT and makes it freely
available to any management tool through a number of well-defined
interfaces so that management of Windows NT becomes much easier
(included on CD-ROM only). For more information on WMI, see
http://www.microsoft.com/management/wbem.
WBEM consolidates and unifies the data provided by existing
management technologies. WBEM focuses on solving real enterprise
issues by tracking problem areas from the user/application level
through the systems and network layers to remote service/server
instances. For more information, see http://wbem.freerange.com/.
You can download the Web-Based Enterprise Management Software Developer's
Kit (SDK) at http://msdn.microsoft.com/developer/sdk/wbemsdk/default.htm.
1.1.18 Microsoft Windows NT Server NetShow Services
SP4 contains an updated version of NetShow Services located on this
CD in the \NetShow folder. NetShow Services enables Internet service
providers (ISPs) and organizations to deliver the highest-quality audio
and video at every bandwidth across the Internet or enterprise networks.
This release of NetShow Services features greatly enhanced audio and
video that delivers the best user experience. Simplified setup,
configuration, and administration of the NetShow server components and
tools give ISPs a reliable and cost-effective platform for hosting large
amounts of content.
Consult the NetShow Services information page (\NetShow\ntsp4-ns.htm)
for details on installing and configuring this product. Before
installing this product, you should also carefully review the NetShow
Services release notes at \NetShow\ns-readme.htm.
1.1.19 Microsoft Windows Media Player
Microsoft Windows Media Player replaces Microsoft ActiveMovie as well
as the Microsoft NetShow Player. Windows Media Player has all the
features found in both of the other multimedia players, plus many
more. It also upgrades existing Windows Media Player and ActiveMovie
support to provide convenient access to new Windows Media content.
Windows Media Player supports most local and streaming multimedia
file types including WAV, AVI, QuickTime, RealAudio 4.0 and RealVideo
4.0. The new player takes over the class IDs of the previous players.
After you install the new player, programs that used the old class
IDs will function as usual. Windows Media Player is located in the
\Mplayer2 folder on the compact disc.
1.1.20 Security Privilege Must Be Enabled to View Security Event Log
SP4 includes a bug fix in the Event Log service that requires that
the SE_SECURITY_NAME privilege, also known as the Security privilege,
be enabled in order to view and manage the security event log.
By default, Windows NT grants the privilege to administrators and
local System. In order to take effect however, the privilege must
also be enabled in the program accessing the security event log.
Prior to this change, members of the Administrators group and services
running as local System could open the security log for read or change
access without enabling the Security privilege. If the privilege was
removed from the Administrators group, members of the Administrators
group could still manage the security log. This change enforces the
security model that administrators need to be granted the privilege
to manage the security log; they won't be able to manage the log
simply because they are members of the Administrators group.
Administrators can always grant themselves the Security privilege to
manage the security log, however, although this event can be audited.
For more information, consult the Knowledge Base at http://support.
microsoft.com/support/ and search for KB article Q188855.
1.1.21 Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP)
This Service Pack includes several quality improvement fixes
to correct known Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) issues
reported for Microsoft DHCP Server, the DHCP Manager administration
tool, and for Microsoft DHCP-enabled clients running under earlier
released versions of Windows NT 4.0.
These fixes address specific problems fully described in the Q184693
"DHCP/WINS Release Notes for Windows NT 4.0 SP4 Update" article in
the Knowledge Base:
You can obtain the specific article from Microsoft Support Online at
http://support.microsoft.com/support.
1.1.22 Windows Internet Naming Service (WINS)
Windows NT Server includes the following new Windows Internet Naming
Service (WINS) and WINS Manager features:
* Manual removal of dynamic WINS database records.
* Multi-select operations for WINS database records.
* Burst mode handling for WINS servers.
1.1.23 Microsoft Routing and Remote Access Service (RRAS)
SP4 can now be installed on a Windows NT 4.0 system running Routing
and Remote Access Service (RRAS). SP4 will update your RRAS system to
RRAS Hotfix 3.0 components automatically. If you install RRAS after
installing SP4, you must reinstall SP4 to get the updated RRAS files to
ensure RRAS will work properly. For more information on RRAS Hotfix 3.0,
see http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q189/5/94.asp.
1.1.24 PPTP Performance and Security Update
SP4 now includes new performance and security updates to PPTP that
greatly increase data transfer speeds and enhance security. The PPTP
client and server system must both be running the updated files to get
the new benefits. For more information, see http://support.microsoft.com/
support/kb/articles/q189/5/95.asp
1.1.25 NTLMv2 Security
SP4 contains an enhancement to NTLM security protocols called
NTLMv2, which significantly improves both the authentication and
session security mechanisms of NTLM. For more information, see
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q147/7/06.asp.
1.1.26 Secure Channel Enhancements
SP4 contains an enhancement to the secure channel protocols
used by member workstations and servers to communicate with
their domain controllers and by domain controllers to communicate
with other domain controllers. In addition to authentication, you can
now encrypt and check the integrity of these communications. For more
information, see http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/
q183/8/59.asp
1.1.27 IP Helper API (IPHLPAPI)
The IP Helper API provides Windows network configuration and statistics
information to Win32 applications. The public API is available on
Windows NT 4.0 and above, and Windows 95 and above. SP4 updates the
API with a new .dll so that applications can communicate to a TCP/IP
stack.
1.1.28 Event Log Service
This Service Pack contains new features in the Event Log Service to
assist how administrators measure the reliability and availability
of Windows NT.
The SP4 Event Log Service records three new events in the system event
log that are useful in measuring operating system availability:
* Clean Shutdown Event (Event ID: 6006)
* Dirty Shutdown Event (Event ID: 6008)
* System Version Event (Event ID: 6009)
See section 3.12, "Event Log Service," for more information.
1.1.29 Domain Name Server (DNS) Service
This Service Pack includes several quality improvement fixes to correct
known Domain Name Server (DNS) issues reported for Microsoft DNS Server
and the DNS Manager administration tool. These fixes address specific
problems described in the Q184693 "DNS/DHCP/WINS Release Notes for
Windows NT 4.0 SP4 Update" article in the Knowledge Base. You can obtain
the specific article from Microsoft Support Online at http://support.
microsoft.com/support.
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1.2 Downloading and Extracting the Service Pack
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If you have downloaded this Service Pack from an FTP site or a Web
site, you should read the release notes completely before you extract
and install the Service Pack. For this release, these self-extracting
executables are also located at the root of the CD. They are
Sp4alpha.exe for Alpha processor type systems and sp4i386 for
Intel-based systems.
After downloading the Service Pack, you'll have a compressed
executable file on your hard drive. To extract this file and begin
the installation process, for example, type Sp4i386.exe at the
command prompt or double-click the file from Windows NT Explorer.
You can also extract the file into the current folder without
launching the installation program by using the command prompt
switch /x (for example, at the command prompt, type sp4i386 /x).
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2.0 INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS FOR WINDOWS NT 4.0 SERVICE PACK 4
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Carefully read the installation instructions before you install
Service Pack 4, as they may have changed from previous Service Packs.
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2.1 Before You Install the Service Pack
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Close all active debugging sessions before installing this Service
Pack, otherwise the Update program will be unable to replace system
files that are in use. If a file is in use when you install the
Service Pack, a dialog box will appear in which you can choose to
cancel the installation or skip the file copy. It's recommended you
choose to cancel the installation, and then uninstall SP4. To do this,
run Spuninst.exe or click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel,
double-click Add/Remove Programs, and then click Uninstall Service Pack
4. Close all active sessions on the system, and then run Update.exe
again to install the Service Pack.
Also, to maximize the ability to recover the system in the event of
installation failure, it's recommended that you do the following
before installing the Service Pack:
1. Update the system Emergency Repair Disk using the Rdisk.exe
command with the /s switch.
2. Perform a full backup of the system, including the system registry
files.
3. Disable any nonessential third-party drivers and services (that is,
drivers and services that aren't required to boot the system).
4. Contact the original equipment manufacturer (OEM) that provided
the driver or service for the updated versions of the file(s).
5. Restart the computer and check Event Viewer to ensure there are
no system problems that could interfere with the installation of SP4.
Users of NEC Versa 6050 or 6200 Series notebook computers, with
Windows NT version 4.0 preinstalled, should select "Yes" when SP4
Update.exe prompts you to replace the hal.dll file.
If your computer contains SystemSoft Card Wizard version 2.x or earlier,
you must obtain SystemSoft Card Wizard version 3.00.01 or greater before
installing Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 4. Otherwise, your operating
system will no longer function. Contact SystemSoft at
http://www.systemsoft.com for further details.
Advanced Power Management isn't supported by Windows NT 4.0. As a
result, it's recommended that you remove Advanced Power Management
features before installing this Service Pack.
Power Management Utilities may not work on Windows NT 4.0 Service
Pack 4. Contact the vendor of your Power Management Utilities
for an updated version to work with Windows NT 4.0 SP4.
Do not install SP4 without the Silicon Graphics companion software.
SP4 requires additional files to update your Silicon Graphics system.
For these necessary files, visit the Silicon Graphics Web site at
http://support.sgi.com/nt.
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2.2 Installing the Service Pack
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>>>To install the Service Pack from the CD
1. Insert the Service Pack CD into your CD-ROM drive.
2. If a Web page opens in your browser after you insert the CD,
click Windows NT Service Pack, and then click Install Service Pack.
3. When you're asked whether you want to open the file Spsetup.bat
or save it to disk, click Open and then follow the instructions
that appear on the screen.
NOTE: To use the uninstall feature of this Service Pack, you must
create an Uninstall folder during the initial installation.
4. If a Web page doesn't automatically open when you insert the CD,
open the Command Prompt window and change the folder to the drive
letter associated with the CD-ROM drive.
5. Change the folder to \I386\Update or \Alpha\Update (depending
upon whether you have an x86 or Alpha CPU), and type UPDATE.
6. Follow the instructions that appear on the screen.
If SP4 doesn't install after you click Install Service Pack 4 from the
CD, or your browser doesn't automatically display installation
instructions when you insert the CD into your CD-ROM drive, start the
Service Pack install process manually from the CD. For more information,
see "To install the Service Pack from the CD" mentioned earlier in this
section.
NOTE: To use the uninstall feature of this Service Pack, you must create
an Uninstall folder during the initial installation.
>>>To install the Service Pack from a network drive
1. Run the command to connect to the network drive that has the
Service Pack files.
2. Change the drive letter to that network drive.
3. Change the folder to \I386\Update or \Alpha\Update (depending
upon whether you have an x86 or Alpha CPU), and then type UPDATE.
4. Follow the instructions that appear on the screen.
NOTE: It's recommended that you choose to create an Uninstall folder
the first time you install the Service Pack.
>>>To install the Service Pack from the Internet
Using a Web browser (such as Internet Explorer
3.0 or later), visit http://support.microsoft.com/support/ntserver/
content/servicepacks/ or http://support.microsoft.com/support/downloads/.
Click the Install Service Pack 4 option to install SP4 on your computer.
This Web page automatically detects which files need to be updated and
then copies the appropriate files to a temporary folder on your computer.
It then installs only those files that are needed to update your
computer.
NOTE: If you use Web browsers other than Internet Explorer 3.0 or later,
you may be unable to install the Service Pack through this update method.
If you are unable to install the Service Pack using this option, download
the entire Service Pack from the Internet onto your computer and run
update.exe locally.
There are installation switches that can be used with Update.exe. The
following syntax help is available by typing update /?:
UPDATE [-u] [-f] [-n] [-o] [-z] [-q]
-u Unattended mode
-f Forces other apps to close at shutdown
-n Do not back up files for uninstall
-o Overwrite OEM files without prompting
-z Do not reboot when installation is complete
-q Quiet mode - no user interaction
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2.3 Service Pack Uninstall
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This Service Pack contains an uninstall feature that you can use to
restore your system to its previous state.
To enable the uninstall option, run Update.exe. A subfolder in your
Windows NT folder named Uninstall will be created. This requires at
least 80 megabytes (MB) of free space on the drive on which Windows
NT is installed. This is 40 MB for the uninstall folder and 40 MB for the
Service Pack updated system files.
To uninstall SP4, double-click the Add/Remove Programs control panel.
Select Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 4, and click Add/Remove. If this
option isn't available, run Spuninst.exe from the \%systemroot%\
$NtServicePackUninstall$\spuninst\ folder.
NOTE: If you install any applications or services that require SP4 or
have bug fixes contained in SP4, uninstalling SP4 could adversely affect
those applications.
If you want to uninstall SP4, the drive letter for the boot drive must
be the same as when you installed SP4. If you change the drive letter
for the boot drive, you can't uninstall SP4.
To uninstall Service Pack 2 and Service Pack 3, you had to run
Update.exe and then select "Uninstall a previously installed Service
Pack." This returned your system to its previous state. After your
system restarted, the Update.exe program replaced the files updated by
the Service Pack with most of the files from the previous installation
and returned most of your registry settings to what they were before
that Service Pack was installed.
NOTE: If you uninstall SP4 on a system that previously had Service
Pack 3 (without Internet Explorer 4.0) installed on it, cryptography
won't work correctly after the uninstall completes. To work around
this issue, reinstall Service Pack 3 after you have uninstalled SP4.
Uninstalling SP4 won't uninstall new versions of CryptoAPI and SChannel.
NOTE: If you plan to install a previous Service Pack after uninstalling
SP4, take note of the following important precaution. SP4 modifies the
Security Account Manager (SAM) database and the Security database such
that older versions of the Samsrv.dll, Samlib.dll, Lsasrv.dll,
Services.exe, Msv1_0.dll and Winlogon.exe files no longer recognize the
database structure. Therefore, the uninstall process doesn't restore
these files when uninstalling SP4. If you install a prior Service Pack
(for example, Service Pack 3) after uninstalling SP4, click "No" on the
"Confirm File Replace" dialog boxes that ask if you want to overwrite
Samsrv.dll and Winlogon.exe. If you overwrite the newer files with these
older versions, you'll be unable to log on to the system.
NOTE: If you're reinstalling SP4 after installing new software or
hardware, you must choose to create a new Uninstall folder. To retain
your ability to back out to a bootable configuration, copy the current
Uninstall folder to a safe location before running the SP4 installation
program.
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2.4 Year 2000 Service Pack Installation
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Windows NT Service Pack 4 contains fixes for known Year 2000 issues
in the Windows NT 4.0 operating system.
>>>To install the Year 2000 Service Pack from compact disc
Installing the Service Pack using Update.exe will update all necessary
files on your Windows NT 4.0 installation. It will also detect and
inform you if any additional Microsoft components that require updating
to resolve known Year 2000 issues in the Windows NT 4.0 operating system.
Follow the procedure below to update your computer to resolve known
Year 2000 issues.
Run the Y2ksetup.exe program located in the \I386\Update (for x86-based
computers) or \Alpha\Update (for Alpha-based computers) folders on the
Service Pack 4 compact disc. This program automatically updates
operating system components as detected to resolve known Year 2000 issues.
Note that this installation will require the system to be restarted one
or more times. There is no uninstall option available for Y2ksetup.exe.
>>>To install the Year 2000 Service Pack via the Web or FTP
Install the base Service Pack from one of the locations
below to your computer:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/ntserver/content/servicepacks/
http://support.microsoft.com/support/downloads/
The download program will automatically detect which files need to be
updated. Once prompted with the File Download dialog, select "Run this
program from its current location" to perform a patched installation.
This will also detect and inform you if any additional Microsoft
components require updating to resolve known Year 2000 issues on your
Windows NT 4.0 operating system. Follow the procedure below to resolve
known Year 2000 issues.
Download the Year 2000 Service Pack (y2ksp4i.exe or y2ksp4a.exe)
from one of the locations below to your computer:
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/winnt/winnt-public/fixes/
http://support.microsoft.com/support/ntserver/content/servicepacks/
http://support.microsoft.com/support/downloads/
Run the self-extracting executable to expand the package. Run
Y2ksetup.exe from \I386\Update (for x86-based computers) or
\Alpha\Update (for Alpha-based computers) folder at the target
location. This program automatically updates operating system
components as detected to resolve known Year 2000 issues.
Note that this installation will require the system to be restarted
one or more times. There is no uninstall option available for
Y2ksetup.exe.
>>>If you need to reinstall this Service Pack, run Update.exe
from the \I386\Update or \Alpha\Update folders. It isn't necessary
to uninstall the Service Pack previous to running Update.exe more
than once on the same system. Use \I386\Update\Y2ksetup.exe or
\Alpha\Update\Y2ksetup.exe to resolve known Year 2000 issues in
the Windows NT 4.0 operating system.
There are installation switches that can be used with Y2ksetup.exe.
The following switches are available:
Y2KSETUP [-q] [-d]
-q silent mode installation
-d display only (does not install, only displays those operating
system components on the computer that contain known Year 2000
issues)
2.4.2 Site Server Express 3.0
There are known Year 2000 issues in the following components of Site
Server Express 2.0:
* Content Analyzer
* Usage Analyst
Installing Site Server Express 3.0 directly from the Web or from the CD
doesn’t remove these components from your computer. You must install
Y2ksetup.exe to remove these components from your computer and install
Site Server Express 3.0, which contains an update for:
* Usage Analyst
* Posting Acceptor
An updated version of the Content Analyzer will be available for
download from the Windows NT Service Pack 4.0 Web site.
Known Site Server Express 3.0 setup issues:
* When Y2KSetup installs Internet Explorer 4.01 SP1 and Site Server
Express 3.0, two IIS virtual roots that are required by Posting
Acceptor aren't created. It's recommendeded that you reinstall
Site Server Express 3.0 by running Ssx.exe from the \Ssx folder
on the CD.
2.4.3 FrontPage Server Extension Year 2000 Issues
Releases of FrontPage 1.0, FrontPage 1.1 and FrontPage 97 are not Year
2000 compliant. Releases of FrontPage 98 resolve known Year 2000 issues.
If you have NTOP installed, you will have FrontPage 98 Server Extensions.
It's possible to have two or more versions of the FrontPage Server
Extenders on your computer at one time. The installation of a version
that isn't Year 2000 ready doesn't mean that you are actively running
that version.
>>>To determine which version of the FrontPage Server Extenders are
actively in use on computers with FrontPage 98 or earlier
* Run the FrontPage Server Administrator (Fpsrvwin.exe).
* Click on each of the Web servers or virtual servers listed in the
box in the upper left area, which have been configured with the
FrontPage Server Extenders.
* The version number of the FrontPage Server Extenders is displayed
to the right of the list. Version numbers where the first digit is
3 or greater resolve known Year 2000 issues (e.g. 3.0.2.1706).
If the first digit of the version number is a 1 or 2, then you should
download and install the latest version of the FrontPage Server Extenders.
Refer to http://www.microsoft.com/frontpage/ for details on the latest
available version is and how to download.
2.4.4 IBM PS/1 ValuePoint
There are known Year 2000 issues for Windows NT version 4.0 on 2.4.4
IBM PS/1 ValuePoint computers. To fix these known issues, you must
upgrade Ntdetect.com in order to resolve known Year 2000 issues in
older versions.
>From the \Ps1 folder on the CD, copy Ntdetect.com to the root of your
primary boot partition on your computer. You do not need to reboot.
For more information, go to the Knowledge Base at http://support.
microsoft.com/support/ and search for KB article Q194301.
For Year 2000 issues regarding Microsoft products or definitions
regarding Year 2000 compliance, as used herein, see our Web site at
http://www.microsoft.com/year2000.
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3.0 USER NOTES
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This section covers information that is specific to this Service
Pack release.
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3.1 Emergency Repair Disk
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If you use the Windows NT Emergency Repair Disk to repair your Windows
NT system, which requires you to supply the original Windows NT media at
some time after you install Service Pack 4, you'll need to reinstall
SP4 after the repair is completed. This is because the Emergency Repair
Disk repairs your system by restoring your original Windows NT 4.0
system files. After the repair is completed, follow the Installation
Instructions (Section 2.0) to reinstall SP4. For more information on
using the Windows NT Emergency Repair Disk utility, go to the Knowledge
Base at http://support.microsoft.com/support/ and search for KB article
Q146887.
NOTE: To use the Emergency Repair Disk utility, you must have the
updated version of Setupdd.sys. The updated version is contained in
SP4. To update your version of Setupdd.sys, copy Setupdd.sys from the
Service Pack to your Windows NT 4.0 Setup Disk 2 from the original product
media. This will replace the older version of Setupdd.sys with the
updated version. For more information, consult the Knowledge Base at
http://support.microsoft.com/support/ and search for KB article Q158423.
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3.2 Adding New Components to the System
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If you change or add new software or hardware components to your system
after you install SP4, you'll need to install the SP4 again. This is
because the files included on the original Windows NT 4.0 media may
not be the same as the files on the Service Pack CD. You can't install
new components, such as a new keyboard or printer driver, directly from
the Service Pack media. You must install new components from the original
product media and then reinstall the Service Pack.
For example, if you install the Simple Network Management Protocol
(SNMP) service after installing SP4, you'll need to reinstall the
Service Pack. If you fail to do so, you'll receive the error message
"Entrypoint SnmpSvcGetEnterpriseOID could not be located in Snmpapi.dll."
This is because some of the files in the SNMP service have been updated
in the SP4 and you have a version mismatch. Reinstalling the Service
Pack fixes the problem by copying the newer versions of the files to
your system.
NOTE: SNMP security provides the ability to set a permission level on
the SNMP agent computer. The permission level determines how the SNMP
agent computer will process requests from an SNMP community.
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3.3 Installing Symbol Files from the CD
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Each program file in Windows NT has a corresponding symbol file that
is used to find the cause of kernel STOP errors. The symbols for SP4
files are compressed in self-extracting executables named Sp4symi.exe
and Sp4syma.exe, for Intel and Alpha respectively. To install the symbol
files corresponding to the new binaries in SP4, run the executable and
when prompted, specify the path to the location of the previous version's
symbols (for example, c:\winnt\symbols\). This copies the SP4 .dbg files
over the existing versions of these files.
For more information about debugging in Windows NT, see Chapter 39,
"Windows NT Debugger," in the Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 Workstation
Resource Kit.
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3.4 Hardware Compatibility with Windows NT 4.0
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3.4.1 Video Drivers
Due to incompatibilities between the ATIRage drivers and Service Pack
setup, the files Ati.sys and Ati.dll haven't been included with SP4.
Any ATI drivers currently installed on your system will still function
normally.
If you install SP4 over SP3 on a computer that has a Number Nine
Visual Technologies Imagine 2 video card and drivers installed, you
may experience some loss of functionality in the video driver, such as
loss of any resolutions requiring 256 or more colors. If you uninstall
SP4 and revert to SP3, the Imagine 2 card may be unable to display 256
colors or higher. There is no known resolution for either of these two
issues because reinstalling the Imagine 2 video drivers doesn’t restore
the lost functionality. Number Nine is aware of this issue and is
working on a fix.
3.4.2 Dell Latitude Systems
If you're running Windows NT 4.0 on a Dell Latitude portable computer,
your Dell-supplied Softex Advanced Power Management and PC Card
Controller services (versions 2.0 and above) will continue to function
after you install SP4. Softex version 1.0 will stop functioning after
SP4 installation. To update your system for SP4, install version 2.19
or later of the Softex utilities, available from http://support.dell.com/
filelib/. Your computer will become unusable if you reinstall any version
of Softex prior to 2.19 after installing SP4.
3.4.3 Softex/Phoenix Utilities
If you're using any of the following Softex Incorporated or Phoenix
Technologies utilities, you may encounter problems running SP4:
* Softex PC Card Controller, or Phoenix CardExecutive for Windows NT
* Softex Power Management Controller, or Phoenix APM for Windows NT
* Softex Docking Controller, or Phoenix NoteDock for Windows NT
* Softex DeskPower Controller, or Phoenix DeskAPM for Windows NT
Follow these guidelines:
1) Obtain the version number of the utilities you're using.
2) You must be running version 2.19 or later of the Softex or Phoenix
utilities to avoid problems with SP4. Don’t install or reinstall
any version of Softex or Phoenix utilities earlier than 2.19 on
your system, or your system might not boot. For more information,
visit the Softex Incorporated Web site at http://www.softexinc.com
or Phoenix Technologies at http://www.phoenix.com.
3.4.4 255 SCSI Logical Unit Support
Windows NT 4.0 detects only the first 8 logical units on a SCSI device.
To work around this limitation, install SP4 and add the following key
in the registry:
\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\[Driver Service Key]
\Parameters\Device[N]
LargeLuns: REG_DWORD: 0x1
where [Driver Service Key] is your SCSI driver name and [N] is the SCSI
bus number.
3.4.5 IBM PS/1 ValuePoint
There are known Year 2000 issues for Windows NT version 4.0 on this
computer. It's necessary to upgrade Ntdetect.com in order to resolve
known Year 2000 issues in older versions.
>From the \Ps1 folder on the CD, copy Ntdetect.com to the root of your
primary boot partition on your computer. You do not need to reboot.
For more information, go to the Knowledge Base at http://support.
microsoft.com/support/ and search for KB article Q194301.
3.4.6 SystemSoft Card Wizard
If your computer contains SystemSoft Card Wizard version 3.x and you
have installed SP4, you may have lost socket services functionality.
To workaround this issue reinstall SystemSoft Card Wizard version 3.x
or higher after installing Service Pack 4. Or you can copy Pcmcia.sys
from the Service Pack 4 Uninstall folder, $ntservicepacekuninstall$,
to the \%systemroot%\System32\Drivers folder on your computer. Reboot
the computer.
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3.5 DIGITAL Alpha Notes
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3.5.1 Using Remotely Possible 32 with Matrox Millennium Display Adapter
If you use Remotely Possible 32 on an Alpha with a Matrox Millennium
display adapter, don't use the Matrox drivers. Otherwise, your computer
bluescreens after rebooting. You must use VGA-compatible display adapter
drivers to use Remotely Possible 32.
3.5.2 Lotus Notes 4.5
If you want to use Lotus Notes and Internet Explorer 4.01 on an Alpha
computer that runs Windows NT 4.0, you must follow this sequence when
installing SP4:
1. If you have Internet Explorer 4.01 on your computer, uninstall it.
2. Install SP4.
3. Install (or reinstall) Lotus Notes.
4. Install Internet Explorer 4.01 from the SP4 CD.
This problem will be fixed in a future release.
3.5.3 Alpha Fixes in SP4
These notes describe problems on Alpha systems that have been resolved
since the Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 3 release.
NOTE: Windows NT 4.0 SP4 ships with HAL Revision D. This revision is
also currently available from Compaq.
3.5.3.1 System Hangs on Alpha Systems with Only One Processor
Physically Present
The following Alpha systems, with only one processor physically
present, no longer hang when booted:
AlphaServer 4x00
AlphaServer 1200
AlphaStation 1200
DIGITAL Server 5000
DIGITAL Server 7000
3.5.3.2 Clock Interrupt Period Changed from 7.5 ms to 10 ms
In Windows NT 4.0 SP4, the effective clock interrupt period on the
following systems was changed from 7.5 ms to 10 ms:
AlphaServer 4x00
AlphaServer 1200
AlphaStation 1200
DIGITAL Server 5000
DIGITAL Server 7000
This change will provide parity with Intel systems and alleviate
performance anomalies caused by assumptions of 10 ms for the
resolution for timers (which is equal to the clock interrupt period).
3.5.3.3 Pyxis Error Registers
HAL Revision D, which ships with Windows NT 4.0 SP4, supports updated
Pyxis error registers, which provide more meaningful information during
hardware crashes.
3.5.3.4 Peer-to-Peer DMA Transfers
This Service Pack, together with the current AlphaBIOS firmware, now
allows peer-to-peer DMA transfers.
3.5.3.5 PCI Devices with 256 MB of Memory or Greater
The following Alpha platforms now support PCI devices with 256 MB of
memory or greater for memory-mapped I/O:
AlphaServer 1000 5/xxx
AlphaServer 1000A 5/xxx
AlphaServer 800 or Digital Server 3000
AlphaStation 600
AlphaStation 500
Alpha XL 3xx
3.5.3.6 Alpha Machines Sometimes Hang When Rebooting
The following systems no longer hang during an attempted reboot:
AlphaServer 4x00
AlphaServer 1200
AlphaStation 1200
DIGITAL Server 5000
DIGITAL Server 7000
3.5.3.7 I/O Performance Degradation or a Hung Machine Under Heavy I/O
Loads On Alpha machines with heavy I/O loads, certain device drivers
consumed too many DMA map registers. This sometimes caused poor I/O
performance or a hung machine. SP4 allows a greater number of DMA map
registers.
3.5.3.8 Crashes on Alpha systems with STOP Code 0x0A
Minor "correctable" hardware errors no longer generate crashes with
STOP code 0x0A on following machines:
AlphaServer 1000 5/xxx
AlphaServer 1000A 5/xxx
AlphaServer 800 or Digital Server 3000
AlphaStation 600
AlphaStation 500
AlphaStation 600A
Alpha XL 3xx
3.5.4 DIGITAL Ultimate Workstation 533
SP4 won't update the Hal.dll file on the system because Hal.dll is
marked as an OEM file. To work around this, you must manually copy
Halrawmp.dll from SP4 to your system. To do this, first locate the
Hal.dll file on the system (in the OSLOADER subfolder), and then copy
Halrawmp.dll from SP4 to this folder, renaming it Hal.dll.
3.5.5 Installation Fails on Alpha Machines with Windows NT Option Pack
1.0 Installed
Security Configuration Manager (SCM) doesn't install on Alpha machines
that have the Windows NT Option Pack 1.0 for Alpha installed. This is
because the Mfc42u.dll file installed by the Windows NT Option Pack
isn't compatible with SCM.
To work around this, replace Mfc42u.dll installed by Windows NT Option
Pack 1.0 for Alpha with Mfc42u.dll from the Windows NT4.0 CD or from
Visual C 6.0. This may cause problems with the applications in the
Windows NT Option Pack 1.0 for Alpha. This will be fixed in the next
release of Windows NT.
3.5.4 Microsoft Transaction Server and Distributed Transaction Coordinator
The file TestOracleXAConfig.exe isn't automatically installed on DEC
Alpha-based computers. If you are installing Windows NT 4.0 SP4 on an
Alpha-based computer and will be using Microsoft Transaction Server (MTS)
or the Distributed Transaction Coordinator (DTC) with an Oracle or XA-
compliant database, you must manually copy this file from the CD-ROM to
the %sysroot%\system32 folder on your hard drive. The symbol %sysroot%
represents the installation folder for Windows NT. For example, if your
installation folder is C:\Winnt, you would copy it to C:\Winnt\Wystem32.
TestOracleXAConfig.exe is located in the \Alpha folder on the Windows
NT 4.0 SP4 CD-ROM.
If you are installing Windows NT 4.0 SP4 on an Intel-based computer,
TestOracleXAConfig.exe is automatically installed during Setup.
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3.6 Running Windows NT Administrative Tools from Remote Server
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In order to run administrative tools from a remote server, you must
upgrade the remote server to Service Pack 4. If you attempt to run
administrative tools from a remote machine that hasn't also been
upgraded to Service Pack 4, they will fail to load or won't function
properly.
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3.7 CryptoAPI and Authenticode
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The Authenticode environment won't be set up correctly for existing
user accounts on upgrades from Windows NT 4.0 systems running Internet
Explorer 3.02. This doesn't affect new user accounts created on the
system. Also, upgrades from Windows NT 4.0 systems with Internet Explorer
4.0 or later aren't affected.
Each user needs to enter the following command line in a command prompt
window before they use Authenticode:
setreg 1 false 2 true 3 false 4 false 5 true 6 false 7 true 8 false 9
false 10 false
Setreg.exe isn't part of SP4; you can download it as part of the
CryptoAPI tools. You can install the latest CryptoAPI tools (Internet
Explorer 4.0 or later) from the Platform SDK on MSDN.
The CryptoAPI tools (also known as Authenticode Signing tools) that
were released for Internet Explorer 3.02 are no longer supported.
Tools released for Internet Explorer 4.0 will continue to work on
Service Pack 4.
If you install SP4 on a system with Internet Explorer 4.0 or later and
then uninstall Internet Explorer, newer CryptoAPI components will be
partially uninstalled. This problem doesn't affect the system if
Internet Explorer 4.0 was installed after SP4. Reinstall SP4 after
uninstalling Internet Explorer for full functionality.
To ensure proper CryptoAPI functionality, it’s recommended that you
install Internet Explorer 3.02 or later before you install SP4. The
following is a list of known problems when Internet Explorer 3.02 or
later is installed after SP4:
* Certain CryptoAP2 networking functions have a dependency on Wininet.dll
and may fail if Wininet.dll isn't on the system. To work around this,
install Internet Explorer 3.02 or later before installing SP4.
* Certificate revocation checking fails if you install Internet Explorer
4.0 after you install SP4. To fix this, reinstall SP4 after installing
Internet Explorer 4.0. This will be fixed in a future release of Internet
Explorer.
* Certain CryptoAPI-related file extensions (.Cer, .Crt, and .Der) aren't
registered correctly when Internet Explorer 4.0 is installed after SP4. To
restore the file extension registration, run the following command line:
Regsvr32.exe cryptext.dll
This will be fixed in a future release of Internet Explorer.
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3.8 Uninstalling Internet Explorer
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On a system that had Internet Explorer 4.0 or later installed and then
had SP4 applied, uninstalling Internet Explorer will partially uninstall
newer CryptoAPI components. Reinstall SP4 after uninstalling Internet
Explorer. This problem doesn't affect the system if Internet Explorer
was installed after SP4.
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3.9 Certificate Server Notes
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3.9.1 Known Problems and Limitations:
1. Be sure to consult the release notes for the Certificate Server
version 1.0 as shipped with the Windows NT Option Pack. Also
consult the QFE update release at ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/
iis/iis-public/fixes/usa/certserv.
2. Do not perform an initial installation of Certificate Server on
February 29th of a leap year. The validity period for the server
will be set incorrectly. To work around this, set the machine
time to the day before (February 28th), perform the installation,
and then reset the machine time back to February 29th. There
is no problem issuing certificates on February 29th, once the
certificate server is successfully installed (as noted above).
3. If you install Certificate Server on top of SP4, you may receive
a "Some system services could not start" error message upon
system startup. Click OK to continue, and check the Event Viewer
log for the specific error.
Event ID: 7000
Source: Service Control Manager
Description: The Certificate Authority service failed to start due
to the following error: The service did not respond to the start or
control request in a timely fashion.
Event ID: 7009
Source: Service Control Manager
Description: Timeout (120000 milliseconds) waiting for service to
connect.
There are no workarounds for this problem.
3.9.2 Virtual Directory Attributes for Certificate Server
IIS enforces the application attribute of virtual directories in such
a way that the Certificate Server's administration Web pages fail.
This failure appears in the form of database access errors that are
identified by an E78 access failure code. You will be unable to access
the Certificate Server log and queue from the administration Web pages.
To work around this problem, make sure that the application attribute
for the Certificate Administration (CertAdm) folder is applied.
>>>To apply the application attribute for CertAdm folder:
1. Click Start, point to Programs, point to Windows NT 4.0
Option Pack, point to Microsoft Internet Information Server, and
then click Internet Service Manager.
2. In MMC, open the left pane entries until the Default Web Site is
visible.
3. Double-click the Default Web Site. The right pane now contains the
first level of virtual directories for the Web server.
4. Right-click the CertAdm virtual directory.
5. Click Properties.
6. In the Application Settings section of the Virtual Directory tab,
click Create.
7. Click Apply, and then click OK.
3.9.3 Invalid Hash Algorithm Accepted on Installation
During Certificate Server installation, don't select HMAC as the hash
algorithm the Certificate Server should use when issuing certificates.
Although HMAC is among the selections on the optional Advanced Settings
page, this isn't a valid use of this algorithm. If HMAC is selected,
installation of the Certificate Server will fail.
For more information about Certificate Server, consult the Microsoft
Knowledge Base.
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3.10 Internet Information Server 4.0, Secure Sockets Layer and Root
Certifying Authority Certificates, and the IISCA.EXE Tool
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If you use Internet Information Server 4.0 (IIS) with secure sockets
layer (SSL) and you have installed a root certifying authority
certificate (other than those issued by well-known third parties, such
as Verisign, Thawte Consulting, or Microsoft), you may need to reinstall
the affected root certifying authority certificates after you install
SP4. You need to do this if you're using Microsoft Certificate Server
1.0, which shipped with the Windows NT Option Pack.
>>>To reinstall the root certifying authority certificate
1. Open Internet Explorer 4.0.
2. Browse to the root certifying authority certificate that you want
to add. For example, for Microsoft Certificate Server, go to
http://server/certsrv/CertEnroll/cacerts.htm and click the root
certifying authority certificate you want.
3. Select Open this file from its current location, and then click OK.
4. Click Install certificate.
5. After the Certificate Manager Import wizard has started, click Next.
6. Select Place all certificates into the following store.
7. Click Browse, and then click Show physical stores.
8. Expand Trusted Root Certification Authorities, select Local Computer,
and then click OK.
9. Click Next, and then click Finish.
10. Restart your Web server.
NOTE: There is no longer any need to use the IISCA.EXE tool.
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3.11 Message Queue Notes
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A new MSMQ registry entry helps you configure the MSMQ Service not to
attempt to contact the MQIS at startup (to avoid auto-dialing, for
example). To activate that mode, under the "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\
Microsoft\MSMQ\Parameters" registry key, add a value "DeferredInit", of
type DWORD and with a value of 0x1. Add this only if the initial MQIS
access causes unwanted dial-up, because this setting can delay applications
calling MQOpenQueue in offline situations.
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3.12 Installing COM Internet Services
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3.12.1 Installing COM Internet Services
COM Internet Services (CIS) provides facilities for making DCOM calls
over the Internet when other transports can't be used due to a firewall
on the server side or a proxy server on the client's network. There are
three configuration options for CIS:
1. Windows 95 or Windows 98 CIS Client Support
2. Windows NT 4.0 SP4 and Windows NT 5.0 CIS Client Support
3. Windows NT 4.0 SP4 and Windows NT 5.0 CIS Server Support
This topic explains how to install CIS on computers running Windows NT
4.0 SP4. If possible, you should start with client and server machines
that aren't separated by either proxy servers or firewalls. Once you
have verified that this configuration works correctly, you can add proxy
servers or firewalls to the configuration.
3.12.2 Windows NT 4.0 SP4 CIS Client Support
For Windows NT 4.0, CIS requires that SP4 be installed on your Windows
NT Workstation 4.0 or Windows NT Server 4.0 computer. To enable CIS,
you need to add the Tunneling TCP protocol to the DCOM protocol list.
You can modify the protocol list by running DCOMCNFG:
1. Select the Default Protocols tab.
2. Use the Add button to add Tunneling TCP/IP.
3. Reboot the system to have this change take effect.
If multiple protocols are configured, DCOM attempts to use them in the
order in which they appear in the DCOM protocol list.
3.12.3 Windows NT 4.0 SP4 CIS Server Support
For Windows NT 4.0, CIS requires that SP4 be installed on your Windows
NT Server 4.0 computer. CIS also requires that Internet Information
Server 4.0 (including the Internet Service Manager) be running. IIS
4.0 is part of the Windows NT 4.0 Option Pack.
1. Create an RPC subdirectory under your Inetpub directory. For example,
at the command prompt, type
md c:\inetpub\rpc
This directory will be referred to as %inetpub%\rpc in the following
instructions.
2. Copy Rpcproxy.dll from the Windows system directory to %inetpub%\rpc.
For example, at the command prompt, type
copy %windir%\system32\rpcproxy.dll c:\inetpub\rpc
3. Create a virtual root for the directory you created. To do this:
* Click Start, point to Programs, point to Windows NT 4.0 Option Pack,
then Microsoft Internet Information Server, and then click Internet
Server Manager.
* In the left pane of the MMC window, select Console Root/IIS/
<machine name>/Default Web Site.
* Right-click Default Web Site, click Create New, and then click
Virtual Directory.
* In the New Virtual Directory wizard, enter the following:
alias to be used to access virtual directory = rpc
physical path = %inetpub%\rpc
permissions = Execute Access
4. Don't close Internet Service Manager. Change the connection timeout
for the Default Web Site to 5 minutes. To do this:
* In the left pane of the MMC window, select Console Root/IIS/
<machine name>/Default Web Site.
* Right-click Default Web Site, and then click Properties.
* In the Default Web Site Properties dialog box, select the Web Site tab.
* Change the Connection Timeout to 300.
* Click OK. Do not close Internet Service Manager.
* Install the RPC Proxy ISAPI Filter. To do this, run the IIS 4.0
Internet Service Manager, select Console Root/IIS/<machine name>
in MMC, right-click the machine name, click Properties, select
Edit for the Master WWW Service Properties, select the ISAPI
Filters tab, select Add, and then type:
filter name = Rpcproxy
executable = %inetpub%\rpc\rpcproxy.dll
5. You can close Internet Service Manager now.
6. Enable CIS on the server. You do this by running DCOMCNFG. To do this:
* Click Start, and then click Run.
* In the Run dialog box, type dcomcnfg, and then click OK.
* In the left pane of the MMC window, select the Default Properties
tab.
* Make sure the check box labeled Enable COM Internet Services on this
computer is checked. Don't close DCOMCNFG.
7. Add the Tunneling TCP protocol to the protocol list. You can modify
the protocol list by running DCOMCNFG. To do this:
* Click Start, and then click Run.
* In the Run dialog box, type dcomcnfg, and then click OK.
* In the left pane of the MMC window, select the Default Protocols tab.
* Use the Add button to add Tunneling TCP/IP.
* Close DCOMCNFG.
8. Restart your computer to have these changes take effect.
3.12.4 Notes on Proxy Servers
If your client is located behind a proxy server, you need to ensure that:
* The proxy server is configured to enable the HTTP CONNECT verb for
port 80.
* Your client computer is correctly configured to use the proxy server
to access the World Wide Web. To configure your client to use the
proxy server, use the Internet control panel.
3.12.5 Notes on Firewalls
CIS requires that the firewall let through TCP/IP traffic on port 80.
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3.13 Event Log Service
-----------------------
This Service Pack contains new features in the Event Log Service to
assist how administrators measure the reliability and availability
of Windows NT.
The SP4 Event Log Service records three new events in the system event
log that are useful in measuring operating system availability.
* Clean Shutdown Event (Event ID: 6006)
The Event Log Service records a clean shutdown event whenever an
operating system shutdown is initiated. A clean shutdown can be
initiated through several mechanisms: direct user interaction using
the Shut Down screen; Shutdown/Restart using Ctrl+Alt+Delete; Shutdown/
Restart using the Start Menu; Shutdown/Restart using the Logon screen.
Clean shutdowns are also recorded if one of the following shutdown
events happens programmatically: InitiateSystemShutdown WIN32 API
(local), or InitiateSystemShutdown WIN32 API (remote).
* Dirty Shutdown Event (Event ID: 6008)
The Event Log Service records a dirty shutdown event whenever the
operating system is shut down via a mechanism other than a clean
shutdown. The most common cause is when the system is power-cycled,
i.e., Windows NT is stopped by powering off the system. The event
is recorded upon the subsequent system reboot. While Windows NT
Server is running, the system periodically writes a time stamp to
the registry, which always overwrites the "last alive" time stamp
from the previous interval. When the "last alive" time stamp is
written, it's also flushed to disk. A normal clean shutdown is also
flagged in the registry. If the clean shutdown flag isn't found on
disk when an SP4 system reboots, a dirty shutdown event is recorded.
The description part of the event contains the "last alive" time
stamp. The "last alive" time stamp is written to the registry at
a default interval of 5 minutes to HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\
CurrentVersion\Reliability\LastAliveStamp. Adding the registry DWORD
value TimeStampInterval can change the interval. This value is in
units of minutes. Setting it to zero prevents any "last alive"
time stamp logging, only the boot and normal shutdown stamps will be
written in that case.
* System Version Event (Event ID: 6009)
The Event Log Service records a system version event containing the
operating system version information whenever the system is booted.
This makes it easier to post-process Windows NT system event logs by
operating system version.
NOTE: Prior to SP4, the recording of operating system crashes in the
event log (Save Dump events) was optional. By default, crash events were
recorded but a system administrator could disable this behavior in the
System control panel by clearing "Write an event to the system log when
a STOP error occurs" on the Startup/Shutdown tab. In SP4, the recording
of crashes in the event log is mandatory for Windows NT Server and can't
be disabled by an administrator. There is no change for Windows NT
Workstation; an administrator can still choose either setting.
--------------------------------
3.14 Upgrading a Cluster to SP4
--------------------------------
3.14.1 Rolling Upgrade
You can eliminate the downtime of your cluster services and minimize
administrative complexity by performing a rolling upgrade of the
operating system. In a rolling upgrade, you sequentially upgrade the
operating system on each node, making sure that one node is always
available to handle client requests.
A rolling upgrade consists of four phases:
* Phase 1: Preliminary
Each node runs Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 3.
* Phase 2: Upgrade Node 1
Node 1 is paused, and Node 2 handles all cluster resource groups
while you upgrade the operating system of Node 1 to Windows NT 4.0
Service Pack 4.
* Phase 3: Upgrade Node 2
Node 1 rejoins the cluster. Node 2 is paused and Node 1 handles all
cluster resource groups while you upgrade the operating system on
Node 2 to Service Pack 4.
* Phase 4: Final
Node 2 rejoins the cluster.
The operation of Phase 3, when the two cluster nodes run different
service packs, is called a "mixed-version cluster." It's recommended
that you ensure that every resource on your cluster can operate in a
mixed-version environment. If version incompatibilities prevent a
cluster resource from operating in a mixed-version cluster, you won't
be able to successfully complete your rolling upgrade.
NOTE: You can't create new groups, resources, or resource types in
a mixed-version cluster.
>>>To perform a rolling upgrade
1. Pause the cluster service on Node 1 and move its resource groups
to Node 2.
2. Upgrade Node 1 from Service Pack 3 to Service Pack 4.
3. Perform validation tests on Node 1 to certify that the node is
fully functional.
4. In Cluster Administrator, click Resume Node.
5. Repeat steps 1 through 4 for Node 2 instead of Node 1.
3.14.2 Alternatives to a Rolling Upgrade
There are two alternatives to a rolling upgrade for upgrading Windows NT
on a cluster.
If you can't perform a rolling upgrade because your cluster manages a
resource that is incompatible with rolling upgrades, you should
consider taking the incompatible resource offline, performing a
rolling upgrade, then installing the new version of the resource.
If most of your cluster resources are incompatible with a rolling
upgrade, you should consider a clean install of Microsoft Cluster
Server. If you do this, you must reconfigure your cluster after the
installation.
>>>To perform a clean install of Microsoft Cluster Server
1. Following the procedure described in Cluster Administrator Help,
stop the cluster service on Node 1. On Node 1, uninstall Microsoft
Cluster Server.
2. Stop the Cluster Service on Node 2. On Node 2, uninstall Cluster
Server. At this point, the cluster that had been running on Node 1
and Node 2 no longer exists.
3. Reinstall Cluster Server on Node 1 using the Windows NT 4.0
Enterprise Edition Components CD, and then form a new cluster
using the name of the original cluster.
4. Reinstall SP4 and perform validation tests on Node 1.
SP4 upgrades the original SP3 clustering product to SP4.
5. Reinstall the Cluster Server on Node 2 using the Windows NT 4.0
Enterprise Edition Components CD, and then join the newly formed
cluster.
6. Reinstall Cluster Server, and then perform validation tests on Node 2.
7. Using Cluster Administrator, add cluster resources to your new cluster.
3.14.3 Known Clustering Issues
You won't be able to select or clear the Use network name for the
computer name check box on the Generic Service Parameters tab if you
change the value for the resource from its original setting. The service
uses the network name for the computer name, regardless of the check box
value. To fix the problem, open Regedt32 and edit the following key on
all the cluster nodes:
HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\<Service name>\Environment
This is a multiline string. Remove the line containing _CLUSTER_NETWORK_NAME_.
======================================
4.0 ADDITIONAL FIXES AND WORKAROUNDS
======================================
This section contains additional fixes and workarounds for this
Service Pack release.
-----------------------------------------------------------
4.1 Installing Windows NT 4.0 on a Windows NT 5.0 Computer
-----------------------------------------------------------
When installing Windows NT 4.0 on a computer that has Windows NT 5.0
Beta or later installed, Setup may continuously reboot at the boot
menu after the initial text mode phase of Windows NT 4.0 Setup.
The updated Winnt32.exe in the Support\Winnt32 folder allows you to
install Windows NT 4.0 on a computer already running Windows NT 5.0.
>>>To update the Winnt32.exe
1. Obtain the Winnt32.exe file from Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 4, and
copy the file to a folder on your hard disk, or double-click the file
on the Service Pack 4 CD-ROM. The Winnt32.exe file is located in the
Support\Winnt32 folder.
2. When you are prompted for the location of the Windows NT 4.0 files,
supply the path to the \I386 folder or \Alpha on the Windows NT 4.0
CD-ROM.
For more information, go to the Microsoft Knowledge Base at
http://support.microsoft.com/ and search for KB article Q185322.
>>>After Windows NT 4.0 is installed
1. Apply Service Pack 4.
2. Copy NTLDR and NTDETECT.COM from the Windows NT 5.0 CD to the root
of the system drive.
NOTE: To use this installation method, the partition you install to must
contain the FAT file system.
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4.2 Dual Booting Between Versions of Windows NT 4.0 and Windows NT 5.0
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
When installing a dual-boot system on your computer to access both
Windows NT 4.0 and Windows NT 5.0, each installation or instance of
Windows NT must have a unique computer name.
NOTE: This is required only if your dual-boot computer is on the same
Windows NT domain.
----------------------------------------------
4.3 NTFS Version 4 and NTFS Version 5 Support
----------------------------------------------
There are two recent versions of Windows NT File System (NTFS):
* version 4--supported by both Windows NT 3.51 and Windows NT 4.0
* version 5--supported by Windows NT 5.0
This Service Pack contains an updated version of NTFS.sys that can
also read NTFS 5 volumes.
NOTE: The following scenarios don't support dual-boot systems:
* Pre-Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 3 installations.
* Windows NT 3.51 or earlier installations.
These features of NTFS version 5 can't be accessed from SP4, even
with the updated NTFS.sys:
* Release points (also called mount points or junction points)
* Native Structured Storage (NSS) files
* Encrypting File System (EFS)
* Disk Quotas
Attempts by Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 4 users or applications to
access release points or NSS files created on NTFS version 5 drives
with a Windows NT 5.0 installation will fail, usually with an "access
denied" error.
Antivirus applications may report to the user (log file, popup dialog,
or both) when a file can't be accessed. These applications may report
failure to access NSS files with extensions the applications are set
to scan. Archiving programs cannot add NSS files to an archive, and
this might be reported as an error. Backup programs won't back up
NSS files or release points as expected. They may log the failures as
either "file in use" or "file not available." Some backup applications
fail when trying to verify folders that contain NSS files during the
backup process.
When mounting an NTFS 5.0 volume under Windows NT 4.0 SP4, NTFS 5.0
features are unavailable and chkdsk can't be performed against the
volume. However, most read/write operations function normally if they
don't make use of any NTFS 5.0 features. Also, since files can be read
and written on NTFS 5.0 volumes under Windows NT 4.0, Windows NT 5.0
may need to perform "clean-up" operations by running chkdsk on the
volume after it was mounted on Windows NT 4.0. These clean-up operations
ensure that the NTFS 5.0 data structures are consistent after an Windows
NT 4.0 mount operation.
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4.4 Installing SP4 on a Windows NT Server Enterprise Edition System
--------------------------------------------------------------------
If you upgrade from Windows NT Server 4.0 with SP4 to Windows NT Server
Enterprise Edition using the Winntup.exe upgrade, a popup occurs at
every reboot that prompts you to install Service Pack 3. If you try to
install SP3, you're notified that a newer service pack is installed.
To work around this, install SP4 again, which will resolve the problem.
The popup won’t appear if you install SP4 over Windows NT Server
Enterprise Edition, or if you upgrade from Windows NT Server using
Winnt32.exe.
------------------------------------
4.5 Internet Information Server 4.0
------------------------------------
4.5.1 Username/Password Length
The length limitation for Username/Password combinations when using
Internet Information Server 4.0 has been fixed in SP4. This previously
caused errors when using basic authentication on IIS 4.0.
4.5.2 Global.asa
To use the Global.asa file after applying SP4, ensure that the file is
in an application root folder. This is a change from the implementation
in the Windows NT Option Pack, in which Global.asa was mistakenly
processed from within a virtual directory.
The Global.asa file specifies event scripts and declares objects that
have session or application scope. In the Windows NT Option Pack, the
file Asp.dll processed Global.asa from the lowest defined virtual
directory. This has been changed in SP4. After SP4 is installed,
customers who are using Global.asa may need to make changes to IIS
for the file to work properly. For more information, see the
"Global.asa Reference" topic in the Windows NT Option Pack online
documentation.
To ensure that Global.asa is available to Asp.dll after applying SP4,
folders that contain Global.asa files should be marked as applications.
For more information, see the "Creating Applications" topic in the
Windows NT Option Pack online documentation.
Certain CryptoAPI-related file name extensions (.cer, .crt, and .der)
aren't registered correctly when Internet Explorer 4.0 is installed
after SP4. To restore the file name extension registration, run the
following command line:
Regsvr32.exe cryptext.dll
-----------------------------------
4.6 Security Configuration Manager
-----------------------------------
4.6.1 Error Messages Received When Logging on to a Secure Desktop
The first time a user logs on to a Compatible, Secure or Hi Secure
Windows NT system running Internet Explorer 4.0 or later, the following
error message appears:
INF Install Failure. Reason: Access is denied.
Corresponding Start Menu Items are missing.
To work around this error message, have potential users of the system
log on prior to securing the desktop.
4.6.2 Incorrect Analysis When Registry Key Doesn't Exist
If a registry value doesn't exist, analysis results for that registry
value may be inaccurate. To work around this, configure the registry
value to the appropriate setting. This problem will be fixed in the
next release of Windows NT.
4.6.3 Inherit Mode Not Available
Administrators can decide how SCM configures child objects after Access
Control Settings for file system and registry objects are defined. The
options are: Inherit, Overwrite, or Ignore. In Windows NT 4.0, the
Inherit option is grayed out and therefore, not available.
---------------------------
4.7 Updating Audio Drivers
---------------------------
If you aren’t receiving audio from a Crystal Semiconductor audio chip
or a Creative Labs Sound Blaster AWE32 Plug and Play Wavetable
Synthesizer, you may need to install the updated drivers for these
devices. For detailed information on updating these drivers, go to
the Microsoft Knowledge Base at http://support.microsoft.com/ and
search for KB article Q143155.
---------------------------
4.8 Microsoft Proxy Server
---------------------------
4.8.1 Web Administration Tool
After the SP4 is installed, the Web Administration Tool for Microsoft
Proxy Server 2.0 may stop working. This is because Internet Information
Server doesn’t have the correct application setting for the Proxy Server
Web administration tool, which requires script execute permission. This
problem may only occur with Windows NT Server 4.0, Service Pack 4, and
Windows NT 4.0 Option Pack. To correct the problem, follow the steps below:
1. Click Start, point to Programs, point to Windows NT 4.0 Option Pack,
point to Microsoft Internet Server, and then point to Internet Service
Manager.
2. Click Internet Information Server in the left pane.
3. Double-click your server name in the right pane.
4. Double-click MS Proxy Administration Web Site in the right pane.
5. In the right pane, right click PrxAdmin, and then click Properties.
6. Click the Virtual Directory tab.
7. In the Application Settings section, set the Permissions to "Script."
8. In the Application Settings section, click Create. If a Remove button
is displayed and there isn’t a Create button, no further action is
necessary (the system is already properly configured).
9. Click OK.
You may have to reboot your computer.
4.8.2 Microsoft Proxy Server 1.0 Client
Installing SP4 on a Windows NT 4.0 Workstation or Server with Microsoft
Proxy Server 1.0 client installed causes the WinSock Proxy Client
component to be disabled. As a result, applications that access the
Internet and depend on the Proxy client may not be able to access the
Internet. To correct the problem, reinstall the Proxy Server Client
component after you install SP4. It’s recommendedthat you uninstall the
Microsoft Proxy Client before installing SP4. After SP4 is installed,
the Proxy Client can be reinstalled.
======================
5.0 APPLICATION NOTES
======================
This section includes application notes for this Service Pack release.
---------------------------------------------
5.1 CheckIt Diagnostic Kit 4.0 by Touchstone
---------------------------------------------
The CheckIt Diagnostic Kit version 4.0 won't have full functionality
when installed on top of any version of Windows NT.
-----------------------------------------
5.2 Norton CrashGuard 2.0 for Windows NT
-----------------------------------------
Norton CrashGuard 2.0 for Windows NT requires that a user who has
administrative privileges install the product for the service to start
when a computer is rebooted.
-----------------
5.3 Inoculan 4.0
-----------------
The Inoculan version 4.0 Service Pack 2, with build number 373 or
higher, is fully compatible with SP4. The previous release of
Inoculan 4.0 Service Pack 1 with build 270 will cause Windows NT 4.0
bugcheck when you apply the SP4.
You can download the Inoculan SP2A build 375 (il0145i.zip) from
http://www.cai.com.
-----------
5.4 Exceed
-----------
If you use Exceed Inetd.exe to provide basic telnet services in Windows
NT 4.0, contact Hummingbird Software at http://www.hummingbird.com
for an update. The version that ships with Exceed 6.0.1 doesn't work
with SP4.
--------------------
5.5 Terminal Server
--------------------
SP4 isn't supported on Windows NT Terminal Server. There will be a
revision of SP4 made specifically for Terminal Server that will include
the information required to allow existing installed applications to run
in a multisession environment. Obtain this revision to install SP4 on a
Windows NT Terminal Server.
-------------------------------------------------
5.6 Microsoft NetMeeting Security and Y2K Issues
-------------------------------------------------
5.6.1 Security
NetMeeting 2.1 is vulnerable to maliciously-created speed-dial objects
that can cause NetMeeting to crash. After NetMeeting has crashed, the
computer's memory is exposed and may be intentionally corrupted. To work
around this, download the Speed Dial patch from http://www.microsoft.com/
netmeeting.
5.6.2 Y2K
When transferring a file with a system date greater than 2000, the
received file date is increased by 28 years. To work around this,
download NetMeeting version 2.1 (or later) at http://www.microsoft.com/
netmeeting.
--------------------
5.7 Numega SoftICE
--------------------
If you try installing SP4 and you aren't using the latest version of
SoftICE, version 3.24, a message appears stating that Windows has
detected a version of SoftICE that isn't supported.
You can register and download the latest version of SoftICE from
http://www.numega.com/support/updates.htm. Earlier revisions of the
SoftICE software cause system errors when installing SP4. SoftICE
version 3.24 is a no-charge update for registered version 3.2 customers.
If your version of SoftICE is prior to 3.2, contact the Numega sales
department at 1-800-4NUMEGA (or 1-603-578-8400) to purchase an upgrade.
-----------------------------------------------
5.8 Microsoft BackOffice Small Business Server
-----------------------------------------------
5.8.1 Windows NT 4.0 Year 2000 Issues
(a) You must be running Microsoft BackOffice Small Business Server (SBS)
version 4.0a.
If you have SBS 4.0, then installing SBS 4.0 Service Pack 1 updates your
server to SBS 4.0a.
>>>To check the version number
1. Click Start, and then point to Manage Server.
2. Click "About Microsoft Small Business Server" in the upper right hand
corner.
3. The version will be displayed if you have version 4.0a or greater.
4. If a version number isn’t displayed, then you have version 4.0.
See http://www.microsoft.com/backofficesmallbiz for instructions on how to
order SBS 4.0 Service Pack 1 or call 1-800-370-8758.
(b) Install Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 4 by running Update.exe
After you install SP4 and the server reboots, you may be prompted to
install additional components to resolve known Year 2000 issues for
Windows NT 4.0.
(c) For more information on known SBS 4.0 Year 2000 issues, consult
http://www.microsoft.com/backofficesmallbiz
5.8.2 Microsoft BackOffice Small Business Server version 4.0
* Upgrade to SBS 4.0a prior to installing Windows NT 4.0 SP4. You can do
this by installing SBS 4.0 Service Pack 1. See http://www.microsoft.com/
backofficesmallbiz for instructions on how to order SBS 4.0 Service
Pack 1 or call 1-800-370-8758.
* You must install SBS 4.0 Service Pack 1 before installing Internet
Explorer 4.0 or 4.01.
IMPORTANT: Don’t install IE 4.0 or IE 4.01 on SBS 4.0. This results in
the loss of functionality to the "Manage Server" administration console.
* If you install SBS 4.0 SP1 after installing Windows NT 4.0 SP4, you will
see a series of dialog boxes asking if you would like to replace newer
files with older files. Click "No to All" so that the newer SP4 files
remain on your computer.
5.8.3 Microsoft BackOffice Small Business Server version 4.0a
Install Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 4 by running Update.exe. After
Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 4 installation is complete, and the server
reboots, you may be prompted to install additional components to resolve
known Year 2000 issues in Windows NT 4.0.
5.8.4 Microsoft Proxy 1.0 on Small Business Server 4.0 and 4.0a
Installing Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 4 on an Small Business Server
4.0 (SBS) server disables the Winsock Proxy Client component. As a result,
some applications that access the Internet and depend on the proxy Dial-
On-Demand won't work on the SBS server. To correct the problem, reinstall
the Proxy Client component after you install Windows NT 4.0 SP4. To
reinstall the Proxy Client, click Start, point to Programs, point to
Startup, point to Microsoft Proxy Client, and then click Setup.
5.8.5 Windows NT Workstation 4.0 Client for Microsoft BackOffice Small
Business Server 4.0 and 4.0a
If you run Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 4 Update.exe on an SBS 4.0 or
4.0a Windows NT 4.0 Workstation client, you may be prompted with a
dialog box stating that SBS 4.0 has been detected on your computer.
Please refer to Section 2.4, "Year 2000 Service Pack Installation"
for instructions of this document and http:\\www.microsoft.com\
backofficesmallbiz for more information on known Year 2000 Windows
NT issues.
---------------------------------------
5.9 Rational Visual Quantify Version 4
---------------------------------------
If you install SP4 on a system with Rational Visual Quantify version 4
installed, you may get .dll error messages. To work around this, reinstall
Rational Visual Quantify after you install SP4.
----------------------------
5.10 Microsoft IntelliPoint
----------------------------
If you receive an access violation from IntelliPoint Productivity Tips,
Tips.exe, when starting Windows NT 4.0 SP4, we recommend that you install
the latest version of IntelliPoint software, available from the Microsoft
Web site at http://www.microsoft.com/products/hardware/mouse/.
============================================================
6.0 LIST OF BUGS FIXED IN WINDOWS NT 4.0 SERVICE PACKS 1-4
============================================================
All bug fixes contained in Service Packs 1-4 are documented as Knowledge
Base articles. You can query the Knowledge Base to find an article about
a specific bug by using the Qxxxxxx number that is assigned to the bug.
You can browse the Knowledge Base on the Microsoft Web site at
http://support.microsoft.com/support/.
For a list of all bug fixes in Windows NT 4.0 Service Packs 1-4,
see http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q150/7/34.asp.
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Sat, 24 Oct 1998 19:10:32 -0400
Why are you running 2 NIC's in your server?
At 10:03 PM 10/22/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi, I am having a difficult time with a intranet I have at home. I have :
>
>Win98 machine with a 10base2 connection
>WinNT 4 server with 2 ethernet cards (10bT and 10b2)
>2 MAC SE's with 10bT cards.
>
>All computers are sharing and communicating. I have a proxy server on the
>NT machine. But I need an e-mail and internet proxy connection from the
>Macintosh SE's.
>
>Any hints to configure? Anyone have software for web,FTP, e-mail that lets
>you enter a proxy connection?
>
>Anyone have something similar?
>
>Any info is welcomed
>
>Thanks
>
>Scott
>
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Sat, 24 Oct 1998 19:18:55 -0400
I recommend the Asante cards for four major reasons:
1) They are robust: They use the very reliable DEC 2114x chipset;
2) They are flexible, with drivers for not only the Mac and 95, but also
AlphaNT and x86NT;
3) They sit on the PCI bus, for minimal interrupt and CPU overhead;
4) They are inexpensive, at $39 apiece.
Cheers!
Dan
At 08:23 AM 10/23/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Connecting a 6500 and a NEC Pentium "cheap"??
>
>I have a 6500/225 and a P133 NEC Desktop.
>6500 has no Ethernet nor does the NEC.
>NEC does have a USB port.
>
>System 8.1 and 8.5...and windoz98
>
>Whats a "cheap" way to connect the two in a network to "transfer" many jpg
>files.
>
>AppleTalk? Phone connectors? Buy Ethernet cards for both? Software?
>
>I have never connected a Mac and a PC.
>
>Thanks
>
>I also have a 6100 now that has a a "ethernet" connection. Use that instead?
>
>
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Sat, 24 Oct 1998 19:23:03 -0400
Please keep me informed as to this issue with Diskeeper. Also, please tell
me your hardware configuration.
What does Executive Software say about this?
Anyone else have this problem?
Thanks!
Dan
At 02:45 PM 10/23/98 -0400, Michael H. Martel wrote:
>--On Fri, Oct 23, 1998 10:35 AM -0700 Darryl Lee <lee@darryl.com> wrote:
>
>> Has anybody on here gotten SP 4 and installed it? Does the alias
>> problem that is a side effect of the installing the "jumping icon"
>> fix still occur?
>
>I have the SP, and plan on putting it on my FTP site when I finish
>rebuilding the NT server it killed. :-)
>
>Yes the SFM patch in SP4 fixes the Dancing icon bug. However, I've only
>been running it for 24hrs and not in production mode yet. Hell not even one
>client using it for real work yet. That's because when I installed SP4 it
>made my NT box so I couldnt' login. Actually I think it was an
>incompatibility with DiskKeeper but the result is the same. Rebuild from
>tapes.
>
>I can keep people posted if they like.
>
>
>
>Michael
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rdc (rdc@MINET.gov.MB.CA)
Sun, 25 Oct 1998 00:46:03 -0500
It's not Diskkeeper at all. I'm running VPC win NT and it blew that up.
I tried installing virgin copies of server and Workstation and both blew
up. I found an article on Microsoft site saying something about ethernet
cards and the way they aare configured but I even tried setting NT up
without networking with no luck. The machine installed the SP no problem
and then restarts and then tries to get you to login. It has an error
saying that the netlogon service is not running on the machine. The
really funny thing is that the ablility to start a service from another
NT server is the Netlogon service. This is the service that allows any
machine or person to logon to the machine.
Anyone got any work arounds
Roger...
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Ryan Sabir (Ryan@gomango.com.au)
Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:31:45 +1100
I'v e just been playing around with the evalution copy of DAVE and have
a few questions..
Basically, what does DAVE give me that SFM doesn't?
Has anyone set up a network with DAVE that allows a user to sit at any
Mac machine in the workgroup and be treated like they were sitting at
their own, as it does in WinNT. i.e. correct email account opens up,
correct server volumes mounted, desktop settings loaded.... I imagine it
could be done with the help of AppleScript, or would DAVE take care of
all this?
I did a few experimental network copies using to an AppleShare volume,
then to a DAVE mounted volume, and the DAVE volume was slower, this is
contrary to what I read so it made me wonder... what are the actual
speed gains in a "DAVE'd" network when using in a real working
environment.
Does using DAVE eliminate the Dancing Icons bug (which then became the
mis-directed aliases bug) that has been plaguing MAC/NT administrators
for all eternity?
Thanks in advance for any advice
seeya!!!
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:13:40 -0400
I would say the main thing is IP support! SFM works over
AppleTalk, so your limited to working on a LAN/WAN that has AT set up.
DAVE (and the Windows "sharing" protocol) is based on top of TCP/IP, so you
can use it over any "standard" Internet/Intranet situation.
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Steven R. Dow (dow@indiana.edu)
Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:22:51 -0500 (EST)
On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Leonard Rosenthol wrote:
> At 2:31 PM +1100 10/26/98, Ryan Sabir wrote:
> >Basically, what does DAVE give me that SFM doesn't?
> >
>
> I would say the main thing is IP support! SFM works over
> AppleTalk, so your limited to working on a LAN/WAN that has AT set up.
> DAVE (and the Windows "sharing" protocol) is based on top of TCP/IP, so you
> can use it over any "standard" Internet/Intranet situation.
>
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Michael H. Martel (martelm@quark.vsc.edu)
Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:33:00 -0500
>
> Michael:
>
> Please keep me informed as to this issue with Diskeeper. Also, please
> tell me your hardware configuration.
Compaq Presario w/136mb's 5gb disks.
> What does Executive Software say about this?
They don't respond to my email yet. what good is that support contract if
they ignore me ? ;-) I'm going to try installing it again in a few minutes.
>> SP4 it made my NT box so I couldnt' login. Actually I think it was an
>> incompatibility with DiskKeeper but the result is the same. Rebuild from
>> tapes.
I said this because when I tried installing DiskKeeper after the rebuild,
it complained about not being able to start the service and a number of
other things.
Michael
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Chris Morin (eemmbb@mixcom.com)
Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:39:05 -0600
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Bruce Johnson (johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU)
Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:56:19 -0700
I think your problem is the stuff you did on PConsole. Get rid of it
all, and use JetAdmin to find and configure the unconfigured jetdirect.
It will create the Queue on the server and acts as it's own server under
Novell. Even though the jetdirect is an external one, (I'm assuming such
from your reference to LPT1:) it does not use the LPT port. From
Pconsole's point of view, using LPT1 for a connection means just that a
computer with a printer connected to it's parallel port. If that's
anything but Novell server, the computer needs to run (IiRC, it's been a
long time) RPRINTER so that Netware sees it as a print server.
JetDirects bypass all of this stuff as they act as their own server.
I've never had to touch pconsole in setting up some 15 or so printers on
jetdirects, everything is handled through jetadmin. You just have to be
logged onto the network as someone with Admin privledges.
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:29:19 -0500
Several things about Diskeeper you need to keep in the back of your mind:
1) If you use the Server version, be sure the network is started &
running... Diskeeper uses the Computer Browser Service to locate other
machines on the LAN (& Domain) so it can control it;
2) Try Norton Speed Disk instead: You can get a free copy on the
"Optimizing Windows NT" book's enclosed CD. Speed Disk will also run as a
service; but it lacks the boot time directory consolidation of Diskeeper;
3) Both Diskeeper and Speed Disk use the same defragmenting API that is
built into NT4.
At 09:33 AM 10/26/98 -0500, Michael wrote:
>--On Sat, Oct 24, 1998 7:23 PM -0400 Dan Schwartz <expresso@snip.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Michael:
>>
>> Please keep me informed as to this issue with Diskeeper. Also, please
>> tell me your hardware configuration.
>
>Compaq Presario w/136mb's 5gb disks.
>
>> What does Executive Software say about this?
>
>They don't respond to my email yet. what good is that support contract if
>they ignore me ? ;-) I'm going to try installing it again in a few minutes.
>
>
>>> SP4 it made my NT box so I couldnt' login. Actually I think it was an
>>> incompatibility with DiskKeeper but the result is the same. Rebuild from
>>> tapes.
>
>I said this because when I tried installing DiskKeeper after the rebuild,
>it complained about not being able to start the service and a number of
>other things.
>
>
>
>Michael
>
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Parker, Douglas (douglas.parker@lmco.com)
Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:38:46 -0500
Got any good URLs to investigate?
Doug
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CHoogendyk@aol.com
Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:24:13 EST
>I just bought an HP JetDirect print server and an HP 890 inkjet printer
>to add to my 3.12 network. I created a queue called HP_NORTH and a server
>called HP_NORTH. I defined the printer in PCONSLE as connected to LPT1
>on the server HP_NORTH. I ran the HP JetDirect Admin utility and it could
>not find the JetDirect server on the network. I know the "jack" into which
>the server is plugged works because we authenticated to the server with a
>workstation from that jack. I even tried having a different print server
>handle the HP_NORTH queue, but to no avail. Jobs will show upin the queue
>but never get sent to the printer because the server HP_NORTH will not
>authenticate (if that is the correct term).
I don't mean to be rude, but that sounds like a pure Novell question. I don't
see anything cross platform in it. I mention that only because it seems you
would have better resources to turn to than this list.
My Novell server is 4.10, and I use NWAdmin to set things up. It's a bit
different. However, I know that when I first started learning it, we had some
Novell "Consultants" in, and they had trouble setting up a print Q for us.
Since I have learned how, I found that it is very picky about the precise
order in which things are done. I bookmarked a chapter in "The Complete Guide
to Netware 4.10" (or something like that -- one of those 3 inch thick books).
Even after having set up quite a few, I go to that reference for the step by
step. Works every time. Guessing from memory for now, I create the Q, the PS
and then the P objects. Then I link the PS and P, then the Q and PS (again
guessing from memory). I print a configuration page from the printer so that I
have it's hardware address. Then in Jet Admin, I look for unconfigured devices
on the network, check the hardware address and configure it. I name it
precisely the same name as the PS object in Netware. Make sure that under
options in Jet Admin, the default network protocol is Netware, not TCP/IP --
otherwise you won't see the options you need. When the screen comes up to
connect the device to a Novell Q, you can enter the specifications for the Q.
Then you are ready to go to the PC workstation and configure the printer for
use.
You can trust my description for the general idea, but I would get a reference
for exact steps with respect to your own version of Novell. (3.12 does not
have NDS??). Part of my point is to say that the installation is very finicky.
If you do a step out of order, you may not be able to get it right without
deleting everything and starting over again. Ultimately I deleted all the work
that our paid consultants did. Works better now, and the structure is cleaner.
I've gotten Windows 3.11, Windows 95, NT and Mac all to work with the Novell
server. Pretty wierd combinations sometimes.
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Paul E. Jacoby (pejacoby@imation.com)
Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:59:25 -0600
As a side note, using DAVE 2.1 I can see all of the shares, as can any
Windows machine.
I can't find any documentation on limits in the Macintosh Chooser on the
number of volumes it can "see" on a single server. Nor can I find anything
in Microsoft's KB about limits with Services for Macintosh. There is one
entry titled g<
http://support.microsoft.com/support/ntserver/serviceware/10140031.ASP>
What's the best option here -- reduce the number of shares on the NT
server?
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:28:32 -0500
If you mean a SCSI changer, just be careful that your SCSI controller has
LUN (Logical Unit Number) support... This is how you can mount up to 7 CD's
simultaneously.
If you want a CD tower, throw one together yourself. Granite Digital
<http://www.scsipro.com> makes an 8 bay and 15 bay tower; then just choose
the CD decks you want.
Or, you can use a single CD deck and mondo hard drive for a "pseudo" CD
jukebox; then pick a(n) NOS.
Cheers!
Dan
At 05:38 PM 10/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
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>What's a good cross-platform CD jukebox solution?
>
>Got any good URLs to investigate?
>
>Doug
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Curtis Wilcox (cwcx@uhura.cc.rochester.edu)
Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:29:47 -0500
Yes, I think that kb article explains exactly what's going on your
situation. DAVE can see them all because it's using NetBIOS. Here's the
full article:
Macintosh clients stop responding with more than 50 volumes due to limitation
Cause:
The AppleShare 4.x server supports up to 50 volumes with 27 character names
or less. The Macintosh finder was designed to expect no more characters
than this. When the finder looks for a server share, it allocates memory
for a string that is 50x27 characters long. When the finder encounters a
server whose shares have a total string length greater than 50x27, the
server may stop responding.
Solution:
On a Windows NT server, you can successfully create and mount a few hundred
visible Macintosh volumes by giving the volumes very short names, such as
A1, A2, B1, B2, and so on. You can increase the number of volumes you can
create by minimizing the string length of the volume names.
>What's the best option here -- reduce the number of shares on the NT
>server?
I think that's your only option. If what you're trying to is have personal
folders, why not put them all in a few (or even just one) folder which is
shared and control access to them by file permissions rather than share
permissions. For the Macs they'll only have one volume to mount and inside
that volume all the folders will be locked except the one their login
permits them to use. The only drawback to the one-share method is Win95
clients can't map a drive directly to their folder (WinNT clients can using
the SUBST command), they would have to find their folder inside the shared
folder. The Macs can create an alias which will take them directly to their
folder and the Windows clients could create shortcuts to do the same
assuming the same individuals need to connect from the same computer every
time. If this is to allow 'roaming', I wonder if you could put a Mac alias
or PC shortcut on a floppy and have it work on another computer (of the
same platform type of course).
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Alex Dearden (pata@tampabay.rr.com)
Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:08:52 -0400
>
>I can't find any documentation on limits in the Macintosh Chooser on the
>number of volumes it can "see" on a single server. Nor can I find anything
>in Microsoft's KB about limits with Services for Macintosh. There is one
>entry titled g<
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Harris, Matt (HARRISMA@Mattel.com)
Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:04:20 -0800
Curtis did overlook one possibility - if you really want all of the
shares available to PC users as mapped drives, turn off the 1200 SFM shares
and set only one SFM share to the directory which contains all of your
individual shares. I am surprised the SFM overhead is not killing your
server performance as it is. Even if it worked, that is not the easiest
configuration to manage. Be kind to the guy that set that up when you ask
to change it - there is a ton of work represented by those 1200 shares
getting set up (and just as much work to turn of the shares). Good luck.
>What's the best option here -- reduce the number of
shares on the NT
>server?
I think that's your only option. If what you're
trying to is have personal
folders, why not put them all in a few (or even just
one) folder which is
shared and control access to them by file
permissions rather than share
permissions. For the Macs they'll only have one
volume to mount and inside
that volume all the folders will be locked except
the one their login
permits them to use. The only drawback to the
one-share method is Win95
clients can't map a drive directly to their folder
(WinNT clients can using
the SUBST command), they would have to find their
folder inside the shared
folder. The Macs can create an alias which will take
them directly to their
folder and the Windows clients could create
shortcuts to do the same
assuming the same individuals need to connect from
the same computer every
time. If this is to allow 'roaming', I wonder if you
could put a Mac alias
or PC shortcut on a floppy and have it work on
another computer (of the
same platform type of course).
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Michael H. Martel (martelm@quark.vsc.edu)
Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:56:26 -0500
> David is right, there is a fixed buffer in the AppleShare Client that can
> hold
> about 200 full length volume names. I believe that there is a setting in
> SFM
> that will only return the volumes that a user can access. Try setting
> that option
> to reduce the number of volumes.
I went looking for a seting like that and couldn't find one. Is it
possibly a registry setting ?
Thanks!
Michael
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:12:47 -0500
That info is out of date. As of MacOS 8.0, you should be able to
see any size volume - assuming that SFM is correctly written.
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Paul E. Jacoby (pejacoby@imation.com)
Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:21:05 -0600
http://www.mdi.com/> and <http://www.ultraserve.com/>
UltraServe is a direct-network-connected device supporting Windows,
Macintosh, and WWW access
17, 34, 50, and 75 disc units ($5000, $7000, $10,000, and $12,000 list
price)
(street prices on 17 and 34 disc units are $3769 and $5279)
CDs are loaded to hard disks in the unit; discs are not kept in the
device
Smart & Friendly <http://www.smartandfriendly.com/>
CD SmartNet is a direct-network-connected device that supports Windows
clients
supports 10 to 100 "average" CD titles (disc contents are copied to
hard disk images)
price range $2299 (10 title) to $9499 (100 title)
CDJukebox Network tower combines 4 to 14 disc changers (5 disc each)
for a total of 20 to 70 titles on-line
Optical Access International <http://www.oai.com/>
NetServe/CD is a direct-network-connected device that support Windows and
WWW access
NetServce/CD for Mac adds AppleShare access
24, 16, or 8 drive units
Maxtet/CD is a server-attached device that supports Windows, Macintosh,
and WWW access
64, 32, 24, 16, and 8 drive units are available
Procom Technology <http://www.procom.com/>
DataForce CD Server supports NT, NFS, and WWW clients
10 or 20 drive units available
OAKDALE06 is currently installed as a 21 disc unit, accessible via
Windows
CD Tower is direct-network connected device supporting Windows clients
7 or 14 drive units
Hewlett-Packard <http://www.hp.com/>
Server/Tower7 is a direct-network-connected device that supports Windows
clients
7 drives ($2999), or 7 drives with additional SCSI connector ($3299) for
daisy-chaining units
Meridian Data <http://www.meridian-net.com/>
CD Net Universal is a direct-network-connected device that supports
Windows and Unix clients
7 or 14 drive units are available ($2199 and $4750, respectively)
TAC Systems <http://www.tacsys.com/>
LanRedi tower is a direct-network-connected device supporting
7 drives unit $2599
14 drive unit $4799
NT server-based units in 4 drive ($1299) or 7 drive ($1999)
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Byrum Lithographing Co. (byrumlitho@megsinet.com)
Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:39:08 +0000
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Curtis Wilcox (cwcx@uhura.cc.rochester.edu)
Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:50:50 -0500
Right, I wasn't thinking straight. You don't need to change the PC shares
but the paths will be a little different.
>I am surprised the SFM overhead is not killing your
>server performance as it is. Even if it worked, that is not the easiest
>configuration to manage. Be kind to the guy that set that up when you ask
>to change it - there is a ton of work represented by those 1200 shares
>getting set up (and just as much work to turn of the shares). Good luck.
I would be interested to hear how this machine is equipped and how SFM is
affecting performance. Specifically I've heard SFM is a RAM hog and it goes
up with additional shares. Or is it additional clients? Performance Monitor
on that machine could tell a thing or two.
They should check the archive of the WinNT-L list at peach.ease.lsoft.com.
I'm sure there have been tips on scripting the creation (and removal) of
shares.
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Marlan (marlan@sasquatch.com)
Wed, 28 Oct 98 09:57:14 -0800
Iąve learned a lot from your posts over the last severals months, but now I have a dilemma. Our church recently voted to purchase a Pentium II for our church office for our secretary. Sheąll be using Office ą98, Now Contact/UptoDate, and Pagemaker primarily. However, since I have a Mac I asked them for the following accomodations.
1. That Iąd be able to plug my G3 laptop into the Ethernet network and be able to drag and drop files both ways from and to the Pentium.
2. That Iąd be able to access our database on the PC and have the appropriate program launch on my machine so we could Śshareą the database and leave the most current file on the PC. (the actual file would be on the PC the entire time)
3. That Iąd be able to remotely dial in to do the same
4. That others on either platform would be able to remotely dial in to do the same. (very limited 'call-in with no more than one call-in at a time)
Is NT the best platform to do this to Śshareą with the Mac,(as opposed to Win95/98)? One vendor gave us a $3800 quote.(see below). Oh, and by the way, has anybody had experience with the Intergraph Extreme TD/266 or comparable? One of our committee members was asking about that.
On the other hand, our Board is open to the Mac if it is cost-effective, truly reliable, speedy, trustworthy, and able to do what we want. Now I need help. Is it cheaper? More reliable? Could I get a Mac system as the office machine and have PCąs network to it in a similar way as above? Could a PC user dial into the Mac and modify the Ścalendarą on it with his PC? Is there Apple Talk Remote Access(or equivalent) for the PC?
While I"m avidly Macintosh, I honestly want what is best for our church here. I don't want to saddle the church with a Mac if it proves to be a burden rather than a 'blessing'. OTOH, I cringe when I think of spending hours 'futzing' with settings trying to install a scanner or Zip or installing software. On the Mac I've found those easy, but NT is a huge unknown to me. Our secretary has completely taken to the LCIII running Pagemaker 4.0 and Word 6.0 and hardly uses the 486 running Win3.11. (She has a PC at home running Win95 I believe). How does NT and '95 compare? How easy would it be for her to function on an NT system as opposed to a Mac system?
A few notes:
1. Weąd like to stay under $3000 for the system and the printer(600dpi Laserprinter)
2. The computer will be mainly used by a secretary and usually by those with not a whole lot of computer experience.
3. There is no tech support person in the church who can support a PC beyond the basics. I can handle about anything on the Mac, but I wonąt be here beyond 2001.
See below for the quote they gave us.
Marlan Knittel
P.S. How would OS X server figure into all of this? When is it supposed to be out?
--------------------------------------
CPU
Antec Full Tower, ATX Case with Second Cooling Fan,
Microsoft Mouse, Belkin Mouse Pad,
Keytronics Keyboard (1 yr warranty),
Teac 1.44 Floppy (1 yr),
128 Megs SyncDRAM 100 Mhz/ECC
Genuine Intel T440BX Server Motherboard, ATX Style, Flash BIOS (3 yrs), Serial, Parallel, Floppy, IDE, SCSI & Video,
IBM SCSI 4 Gig Hard Drive (3-5 yrs),
Intel Pentium II 350Mhyz MMX CPU with Intel Fan (3 yrs),
Teac 32 Speed SCSI CD-ROM Drive
Peripherals
Samsung SyncMaster 700 17˛ SVGA Monitor 3 yr warranty ($350),
Practical/Hays 56K External Modem/Fax, Belkin Modem Cable,
3 Com 10/100 PCI Network Card,
3 Com Hub 4 Port 10 BaseT,
Belkin 10 Base T Network Cable-50 Feet,
HP LaserJet 6MP Postscript Printer (8ppm) (Carts $73/ 4000 copies) ($949)
Software
Microsoft Office Pro 97
Microsoft Windows NT
Total: $3900
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Erik Ellestad (ejellest@lucasarts.com)
Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:36:27 -0800
So far, about all I've got is an Intranet communications suite from Ascend
called Intragy.
Any help would be appreciated...
Thanks!
Erik Ellestad
LEC-IS
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Michael H. Martel (martelm@quark.vsc.edu)
Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:49:35 -0500
Here's my situation. I have an Alpha 4/266 running WinNT 4.0 sp3, that
services about 25 Mac clients (OS 8.1) and about 6 Wintel clients all NT
Workstation 4.0 sp3 . I want to do something in the way of standby server
options, so that if my primary server dies, a backup server can step in and
take over.
I looked at a product that did this but it failed to handle the mac side of
things. I've got a couple of thoughts, that involve using something like
Ultrabac to backup files across the wire, but wanted some advice from
others.
Is anyone out there currently doing anything like this ? If so how ?
I'm also looking at something that I can put down the other end of a T3 a a
seperate location to support these users remotely.
Thanks!
Michael
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:42:54 -0500
Cheers!
Dan
At 01:39 PM 10/28/98 +0000, you wrote:
>WinMac Manager,
>Can anybody tell me if they are using Asante NetDoubler, and is it
>working or are there any problems with it?
>We have an Itergraph server running WindowsNT 4.0 service pack 3, and
>running powermacs 9500's and 8500's and a few 950's, all of the machines
>have 100TBase.
>Any help would be appreciated.
>Thanks.
>Chris Boehm
>
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thomas kase (thomas@accessio.com)
Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:16:20 -0500
After upgrading to 8.5 (the NT4 server - SP3 with hotfixes - has
remained unchanged) the new system comes with AppleShare
Client 3.8.1.
I have some problems with documents sitting on the NT server.
A folder with shared resources, fonts etc.
Everything is in Japanese and there hasn't been any issues up until now
but for some reason all of sudden they've become corrupted and appear
as garbled inaccessible documents and not the nice fonts that they used
to be...
Same thing accessing the server from different Macs with 8.5...
Is there something with the new 3.8.1 client that doesn't play with NT?
Is it only a Japanese thing?
Apologies for the narrow scope of this question, but it means a
lot to us...
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Nishimura, Scott (Scott.Nishimura@trw.com)
Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:14:07 -0800
I've used NFS/Share from Intercon (although I think they
got bought out a couple of years ago; it might have even
mutated into that Intragy product you mention). Chameleon and
OnNet are popular on the PC side; see if they have
Mac equivalents.
I know I used to be able to access our UNIX filesystem
via the Chooser with no extra software because of what
they were running on the UNIX side; a much better
solution, IMHO, because it doesn't involve multiple
client software installation/maintenance. If you're
interested in that route, I can try and find out what
we used to do.
Scott
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Ellestad [mailto:ejellest@lucasarts.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 11:36 AM
> Subject: NFS? (Slightly Off Topic)
>
>
> Anyone know of any NFS clients for the Macintosh?
>
> So far, about all I've got is an Intranet communications
> suite from Ascend
> called Intragy.
>
> Any help would be appreciated...
>
> Thanks!
>
> Erik Ellestad
> LEC-IS
> ejellest@lucasarts.com
>
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Dean Suhr (deansuhr@easystreet.com)
Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:48:02 -0800
Exchange is a SMTP mail server so I presume that the send would be SMTP
when the server is connected or will Exchange hand off to the ISP for
their mail server to handle it when it access the POP3 mailboxes?
Regards,
Dean
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Beth Gemeny (bethg@hhn.com)
Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:52:09 -0800
In Exchange you want to add a new "other" and then select Internet mail
service.... Follow the instructions and this should work fine... I do
reserve that we have just tested this and it cleared the first 2 tests.
Beth:0)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
> [mailto:winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Dean Suhr
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 5:48 PM
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: [WinMac] Exchange Accessing POP Mailboxes
>
>
> I'm a Mac user and have both PO and SMTP mail experience.
> I'm supporting
> some folks that have just installed Microsoft BackOffice
> Suite with an
> Exchange server. They have a dozen or so POP3 mailboxes that
> they wan
> the Exchange server to access at their local ISP via their dial-up
> connection (no incoming SMTP). Can this be done?
>
> Exchange is a SMTP mail server so I presume that the send
> would be SMTP
> when the server is connected or will Exchange hand off to the ISP for
> their mail server to handle it when it access the POP3 mailboxes?
>
> Regards,
> Dean
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Dean Suhr (deansuhr@easystreet.com)
Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:56:08 -0800
Thanks for the super-fast response!
ds
>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/98 17:52, Beth Gemeny wrote:
>Yes, we just accomplished that same thing!
>
>In Exchange you want to add a new "other" and then select Internet mail
>service.... Follow the instructions and this should work fine... I do
>reserve that we have just tested this and it cleared the first 2 tests.
>
>Beth:0)
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Jorge Herrera (jherrera@one.net)
Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:05:40 -0500
(I plan on testing it as soon as I have some time, since this is a newspaper
and I need to be sure.)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
> [mailto:winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Michael H. Martel
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 2:50 PM
> To: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
> Subject: [WinMac] Mirroring/Standby server options.
>
>
> Hello!
>
> Here's my situation. I have an Alpha 4/266 running WinNT 4.0 sp3, that
> services about 25 Mac clients (OS 8.1) and about 6 Wintel clients all NT
> Workstation 4.0 sp3 . I want to do something in the way of standby server
> options, so that if my primary server dies, a backup server can
> step in and
> take over.
>
> I looked at a product that did this but it failed to handle the
> mac side of
> things. I've got a couple of thoughts, that involve using something like
> Ultrabac to backup files across the wire, but wanted some advice from
> others.
>
> Is anyone out there currently doing anything like this ? If so how ?
>
> I'm also looking at something that I can put down the other end
> of a T3 a a
> seperate location to support these users remotely.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Michael
>
> --
>
> -------------------------------o--------------------------------
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> mailto:martelm@quark.vsc.edu | Technical Support Specialist
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>
>
>
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ctmurray@mmm.com
Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:23:12 -0500
>Iąve learned a lot from your posts over the last severals months, but now
>I have a dilemma. Our church recently voted to purchase a Pentium II for
>our church office for our secretary. Sheąll be using Office ą98, Now
>Contact/UptoDate, and Pagemaker primarily. However, since I have a Mac I
>asked them for the following accomodations.
I am no expert in these matters (particularly NT) but reading this list
has lead me to believe NT requires a knowledgeable person to service and
maintain. I think others with the NT expertise will advise you what will
work if you go that direction.
The programs you mention are available on Mac (I am not sure of the Now
products and their current status). Filemaker pro is cross platform
compatible and networkable. For dial in access I imagine there are a
number of solutions but Timbukto comes to mind - available on both Mac
and PC this program allows you to "work" on the secretary's desktop
computer remotely (after dialing in through the modem or hooking up to
the ethernet). I use Timbukto with several remote servers to access the
database by sharing the desktop and very quick file exchange.
The pro's of the Mac route are:
1) your secretary already likes Macs and is trained on it. This is no
small matter since she will be doing most of the work
2) I think the Mac solution has all the sofware you mentioned, or
something very close. There is even some Mac specific church software
(Church Membership Keeper) so if such stuff is required. There are
Filemaker Pro database consultants/ programmers that can help you with
that aspect.
3) I really believe Macs are easier to maintain, there is great maillist
help. And for such a small job/ network/ demand NT might be overkill.
I would think an iMac would be enough computer ($1299), but the desktop
units could be considered. I have a cheap Mac compatible laserprinter for
$1000. Seems like one could hit the target price.
Cameron T. Murray
3M Industrial Tape and Specialties Division
Building 230-2E-11
612-736-9294
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Thu, 29 Oct 1998 00:36:10 -0500
Yes, you can broadcast any size as a maximum... But if you have MacOS
clients running different versions, then you'll crash the Finder!
2 gig maximum for anything under System 7.5; 4 gigs in the 7.5.x series.
But then, some jackass will bring in a Mac SE30 with System 7.1 and blow up...
FOR WINDOWS NT:
To change the maximum partition size broadcast to the Macs, use REGEDT32
and edit the value in
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINES\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\MacFile\Parameters\Vol
umes\<VolumeName> Properties=xxxxx and add 262144 (0x00040000) to the
number xxxxx. [This will broadcast a 4 gig share size to the Macs. For
further information, see the M$ Knowledge Base article Q120739 at:
<http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q120/7/39.asp>]
At 09:12 AM 10/28/98 -0500, Leonard the loose electron wrote:
>At 9:08 PM -0400 10/26/98, Alex Dearden wrote:
>>Acording to the Microsoft MCSE tests and Exam cram books, the Macs can
>>only see 2 GB or space on an NTFS partition...
>
> That info is out of date. As of MacOS 8.0, you should be able to
>see any size volume - assuming that SFM is correctly written.
>
>
>LDR
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Gary Zak (gzak@sd61.bc.ca)
Wed, 28 Oct 1998 23:01:18 -0800
In response to a recent MacMarine posting about an NT install taking a
ridiculously long time (6 hours to intall on an Orange card in a Mac, with
the help of a technician to boot), I inquired of my colleague, Carl, as to
how realistic this situation was. He replied as I have quoted below. I
would appreciate any comments on his experiences and any advice you all may
have for me as I move into this brave new world and embrace the Borg (oops,
sorry, Win-people - that was an autonomic Mac-reaction).
Carl wrote:
quote
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gary,
When the old IBM network in room 110 was tossed out I set up the new
server with NT Server 3.5 in no more than a couple (<2) hours. This
first install took so long, in part, because I was reading a book page
by page which explained the install. This was my first server install,
period. The other reason why it took so long was because of my
unfamiliarity with things like network protocols and things you may or
may not need to set if you want internet access on the network like IP
addresses, subnet masks, DHCP, DNS, and WINS. I was very impressed with
the ease of the install, although I remained confused about many new
concepts.
Since then I've done complete reinstalls of NTS 3.5, 3.51, and 4.0 on
the server in room 110, NTS 4.0 on the Career Centre server, and
countless installs of NTS 3.5, 3.51 and 4.0 on the server in my home
network. Since I now know what to do it takes an hour or less because of
the slow quad speed CD drives in the servers and my slow typing speed.
I've lost track of the number of NT Workstations 4.0 installs I've done.
These are far simpler than NTS. The actual install of NTWS 4.0 on the
machines in room 110 last April or May took, I think, a fair bit less
than an hour per machine. (Because of the physical abuse to the machines
there were a lot of hardware issues to sort out first, unrelated to the
install.)
If I was given a Mac and a new unformatted hard drive and told to
replace the old drive with the new drive and put the latest OS on the
drive I would fully expect that I would have a hell of a time and that
it would take me far longer than someone familiar with that platform.
However, that does not reflect poorly on either the Mac or the OS.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
endquote
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:39:09 -0500
That's it! Wollagong used to have one, but I don't even know if
they are still in business.
LDR
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Antonio Fernandez Martinez (anton@gugu.usal.es)
Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:43:55 +0200
There is a program called "NFS/Share" from InterCon. We contact them in
1995 and by that time the have demonstration copies of software:
http://www.intercon.com/intercon.html
ftp://ftp.intercon.com
We evaluate NFS/Share and works quite well.
Hope this helps
Antonio Fernandez-Martinez
Mathematics Department
Salamanca University
Postal address:Dpto. Matematicas
Pza. La Merced 1-4, 37008
Salamanca
Spain
telephone nş: +34 - 923 - 29 44 59,
Fax: +34 - 923 - 29 45 83
e-mail: anton@gugu.usal.es
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:43:51 -0500
LDR
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Adrian G (abomb@aolsucks.com)
Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:01:30 -0500
>
>Subject: netboubler
>From: "Byrum Lithographing Co." <byrumlitho@megsinet.com>
>Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:39:08 +0000
>
>
>WinMac Manager,
>Can anybody tell me if they are using Asante NetDoubler, and is it
>working or are there any problems with it?
>We have an Itergraph server running WindowsNT 4.0 service pack 3, and
>running powermacs 9500's and 8500's and a few 950's, all of the machines
>have 100TBase.
>Any help would be appreciated.
>Thanks.
>Chris Boehm
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Adrian G (abomb@aolsucks.com)
Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:05:28 -0500
For the latest information take a look at:
http://prozac.eeap.cwru.edu/jude/macnfs/Macnfsd.html
The current release is available from:
ftp://prozac.eeap.cwru.edu/pub/jude/
>Subject: NFS? (Slightly Off Topic)
>From: Erik Ellestad <ejellest@lucasarts.com>
>Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:36:27 -0800
>
>
>Anyone know of any NFS clients for the Macintosh?
>
>So far, about all I've got is an Intranet communications suite from Ascend
>called Intragy.
>
>Any help would be appreciated...
>Thanks!
>
>Erik Ellestad
>LEC-IS
>ejellest@lucasarts.com
>
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:37:32 -0500
Looks interesting, but consider that this is an NFS SERVER, not a
client. This will allows folks to mount your Mac from the
Linux/Unix/PC/etc. - but not the other way around.
LDR
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Bruce Johnson (johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU)
Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:55:25 -0700
> I know I used to be able to access our UNIX filesystem
> via the Chooser with no extra software because of what
> they were running on the UNIX side; a much better
> solution, IMHO, because it doesn't involve multiple
> client software installation/maintenance. If you're
> interested in that route, I can try and find out what
> we used to do.
>
That would be either Columbia AppleTalk Package, or netatalk, which are
Appletalk printer and file service for Unix boxes; basically they set up
the unix box as an appletalk server.
See:
http://www.umich.edu/~rsug/netatalk/
for netatalk
or
http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/appletalk/cap.html
for the CAP package.
Note: CAP supports ASIP, for those folks running IP only networks.
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thomas kase (thomas@accessio.com)
Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:55:12 -0500
An update,
This morning, miraculously, the (Mac) fonts sitting on the NT
server were back to normal again...
God knows why, the NT server has been up and running since
yesterday and no installations have been done on either end,
very spooky.
As the Japanese say "tenki no sei" = 'because of the weather'.
On a similar note, the new OS8.5 has an appearance manager
that lets you set the fonts in "Large System views", "Small System
views" and "Views" differently.
You can pick the font an size of your liking - well, almost!
There are problems with this new feature...
You cannot set the "Small System views" to anything other than
Geneva. Not a problem if you use an English system but it is a p
problem with Japanese language kits.
Talking to Apple, this is a bug, or in their words, an unimplemented
option.
Actually, to be able to set the "Large System view" to a Japanese
font I had to install Kaleidoscope...
Any workarounds (I can think of ResEdit) would be appreciated.
Thanks for your time!
Thomas Kase
GM
accessio.com inc., 33 south main street, #7, south norwalk, ct 06854
phone: 203.866.4454 fax: 203.866.4546 ICQ #7993841
email: thomas@accessio.com , web: http://www.accessio.com/
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John Turney (jlturney@earthlink.net)
Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:23:31 -0800
I have a cable modem connected to a PC (Win 95) via a NIC. I want to be
able to download .sit and .hqx files to use on my Mac (PPC OS 8.1).
The first thing I did was to use PC MacLan to connect the Mac and PC via
ethernet and get them communicating. I can transfer files either
direction.
When I download a file with a .hqx or .sit file extension and transfer
the file to the Mac, it is usually damaged and can't be used. I am using
Stuffit Deluxe to do the decompressing of the files. Sometimes the files
will expand out, and sometimes they won't, but almost all are damaged.
I assumed (I know, I know....) that it must have something to do with
the Mac files containing a resource and data fork that the PC was
mishandling.
So, I figured that the Mac files needed to downloaded directly to the
Mac, which I would navigate to via the save file dialog during the
download process. Still no joy.
Next I configured the PC as a IP proxy server to access the web directly
from the Mac. I can download files from the Mac's browser, but they
still expand out as damaged files.
Am I anywhere near to a solution or should I look for some light in
another tunnel?
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Erik Ellestad (ejellest@lucasarts.com)
Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:41:43 -0800
>Wollagong used to have one, but I don't even know if they are still in
business.
They have gone through a name change to "Attachmate". Their website is
still at http://www.twg.com. I talked to them and they discontinued the Mac
version of their NFS client (Pathways) earlier this year.
Reason I ask is our organization is looking into Net Appliance file servers,
which only support NFS and SMB (CIFS).
Most likely we will end up accessing these servers with Dave. I don't think
I will be able to justify the cost of the Ascend product (IntragyAccess)
simply to access files.
Erik Ellestad
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:37:46 -0500
Current version of StuffIt Expander is 4.5.
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Darryl Lee (lee@darryl.com)
Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:57:11 -0800 (PST)
> Reason I ask is our organization is looking into Net Appliance file servers,
> which only support NFS and SMB (CIFS).
>
> Most likely we will end up accessing these servers with Dave. I don't think
> I will be able to justify the cost of the Ascend product (IntragyAccess)
> simply to access files.
Cool. We've got NetApp boxes. They rock.
Ok, i've got an idea, but maybe it's too kludgy? But hey, DAVE can
get expensive, so:
Create a Linux box whose sole purpose in life is to NFS mount people's
directories from the NetApp box, and then share those directories via
netatalk?
i think it'd work... Or if you're disinclined towards using Linux, do
the same thing on whatever flavor of *nix you prefer.
Admittedly, you'll be taking some performance hits with all the added
network activity. Maybe consider having two 100BT NICs in the "Mac
file server gateway" box, one uplinked to the NAC, and the other to
the Macs' network?
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LaPedis, Ron (ron.lapedis@compaq.com)
Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:12:42 -0800
> ----------
> From: Leonard Rosenthol
> Reply To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 1998 09:37
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: Re: [WinMac] Mangled Mac Files
>
> At 9:23 AM -0800 10/29/98, John Turney wrote:
> >Next I configured the PC as a IP proxy server to access the web directly
> >from the Mac. I can download files from the Mac's browser, but they
> >still expand out as damaged files.
> >
> Then the files are either truely damaged or the software you are
> using to expand them may be out of date. This is no different than having
>
> the Mac directly connected...
>
> Current version of StuffIt Expander is 4.5.
>
>
> LDR
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Alex Dearden (pata@tampabay.rr.com)
Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:47:59 -0400
Actually, before OS 8 came out you were able to do it I think... since
7.5.5??? I was just wondering if it was a Microsoft thing.
Alex Dearden
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Marcus Sundgren (marcus.sundgren@utv.mh.se)
Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:28:45 +0100
>I know I used to be able to access our UNIX filesystem
>via the Chooser with no extra software because of what
>they were running on the UNIX side; a much better
>solution, IMHO, because it doesn't involve multiple
>client software installation/maintenance. If you're
>interested in that route, I can try and find out what
>we used to do.
I would be very interested to hear more about that.
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Landis Arnold (landisa@ibm.net)
Fri, 30 Oct 1998 05:52:43 -0700
-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard Rosenthol [SMTP:leonardr@Adobe.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 7:13 AM
To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
Subject: Re: [WinMac] Re:Mac users only see first 200 shares?
At 9:08 PM -0400 10/26/98, Alex Dearden wrote:
>Acording to the Microsoft MCSE tests and Exam cram books, the Macs can
>only see 2 GB or space on an NTFS partition...
That info is out of date. As of MacOS 8.0, you should be able to
see any size volume - assuming that SFM is correctly written.
LDR
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Scott Simons (srsimons@comproom.com)
Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:39:25 -0400
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Bruce Johnson (johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU)
Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:58:28 -0700
Hmmm...I think it's just that the amount of free space and total space
is being misreported. Win95 does the same thing with server volumes >
2GB (at least under Novell 3.12...I'm not at my PC so I can't check what
it reports under NT), so I suspect it's a limitation of a 32-bit OS in general.
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Jorge Herrera (jherrera@one.net)
Fri, 30 Oct 1998 23:31:07 -0500
Look for NetAtalk or CAP (columbia AppleTalk
Here is a good starting point for NetAtalk:
http://thehamptons.com/anders/netatalk/
and for CAP:
http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/appletalk/cap.html
I use Netatalk+Asun on Linux - It works VERY Well for us.
Equals or exceeds Novell, NT or AppleshareIP on inexpensive hardware.
Jorge Herrera
Brown Publishing Company
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